What was the logic behind systems becoming vulnerable? So far as I can tell there is almost no point in taking a system from the opposing side, all you do is lose the ability to farm obscene amounts of LP. As for the tiers, getting tier 4 happens within a matter of minutes once the decision's made, and it lasts less than an hour. This aspect of FW is truly fooked Mr/Miss CCP. Perhaps a rethink is in order (after I become even more ridiculously rich please).

PS: Being labelled Mistress Doom'n'Gloom doesn't feel nearly as bad as more and more of my "radical", "extreme", "defeatist" and "lol-RP-carebear" outcries are vindicated and then some .. now, off to bed to dream those sweet, sweet dreams that only come when ones ePeen is polished and sparkly like a gayass teen-bop vampire.

As far as continuing to get lp after a system is vulnerable that is probably something they should change. Also they could put a cap on the amount you can drive a system beyond vulnerable.

Again, kills are up all over low sec. Fights are up. Everybody who uses FW for fights is having a blast. +1 CCP.

Suck it up younglings.

You wanted these changes remember (LP for everything!), you legitimized the half-wits in charge at CCP by not screaming bloody murder with we hapless few after the FanFest.

This ^

+1 This new take on FW is awesome!

I would like to see some statistics on this. There was a big uptick in pvp in plexes for about the first 2weeks after inferno and the first 6 weeks after. But in my albeit limited experience the last 2 weeks have been really dry. At least in the amarr minmatar front.

Take a look at the kill-boards maybe?

Cal / Gal are at it 24/7. We're PVPing like freaking rabbits over here!

Again, kills are up all over low sec. Fights are up. Everybody who uses FW for fights is having a blast. +1 CCP.

I would like to see some statistics on this. There was a big uptick in pvp in plexes for about the first 2weeks after inferno and the first 6 weeks after. But in my albeit limited experience the last 2 weeks have been really dry. At least in the amarr minmatar front.

No real comprehensive way to follow this with killboards that I know of. Eve kill gives alliance info. The minmatar tend to have larger alliances than the amarr so I checked Iron oxide :

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=7269

and late night:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=7227

The results seem to substantiate my impression. I am not aware that these alliances have had any large increases or decreases in population. (But I could be wrong there)

Yay were all important and stuffs.

You're right about there being a wide range of alliances in minmatar militia but that doesn't mean they are necessarily much bigger. We have quite a few alliances who are around but not so many in those alliance who actually take part in PVP. Though im not going to name names here *cough cough*.

You're also right about the fact we haven't lost much in numbers wise is just usual inactivity. I am surprised to see how much isk we killed in march with so little kills compared to last month where we killed a whole lot more.

Anyway personally i think our warzone is in a bit of a quiet period for pvp compared to what is used to be.

However relating to the topic at hand. Systems shouldnt give you LP after you made them vulnerable and you shouldn't be able to indefinitely plex them to push them even deeper into the vulnerable state. It just doesn't make sense to me. And this isn't me whining because i can't make LP from them because as you know the missions are the best way to make LP. And until you actually have enough systems vuln to get you to t4/5 then im sure we will stay this way. (or maybe enough ppl in the militia to help take them all at once)

i am looking forward to the time where the war picks up again anyway. bring on the pew pew!

P.S i think its going pretty good for us compared to late night considering they have twice as many numbers wise and there getting less than half as many kills.

i meant your less than double for us kills wise. we have 8k. you have 14k therefore less than half more.

even though my wording was off i knew what i meant :)

June/July/August are typically the slowest periods of activity across all of EVE, not just in FW. Minmatar, at least, have a ton of people a) on vacation b) taking a break from EVE or c) swamped with Steam Summer Sale games.

Amarr's tendency towards multiple Falcon and neutral Logistics alts recently is also a pretty big disincentive to fight (mostly MOAR TEARS guys in USTZ, but meh). I guess I finally know what it's like to fight a Nephilim Xeno type-person: it sucks!

But for specificity; fights are up 'tis (or was) true but quality of said fights are down, kills may be up (haven't seen supporting numbers) but if so then I am willing to wager they are little more than ganks for the most part.
In short: Murder does not make one a warrior.

Yay were all important and stuffs.

You're right about there being a wide range of alliances in minmatar militia but that doesn't mean they are necessarily much bigger. We have quite a few alliances who are around but not so many in those alliance who actually take part in PVP. Though im not going to name names here *cough cough*..

You're also right about the fact we haven't lost much in numbers wise is just usual inactivity. ...

i am looking forward to the time where the war picks up again anyway. bring on the pew pew!

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For one, my corporation has more kills than it ever has in any month ever. My former corporation too (who are about to pass TLF for No. 2 all time in FW kills, congrats!). In fact, FW kills have been up overall by quite a large margin. It used to be that 70+ FW final blow kills / week was great for a corporation. Now some corporations are hitting 250 kills per week.

Along a similar thread - though not necessarily 'infinite vulnerability' - is the fact that Factional Warfare is entirely LP driven. This wouldn't be so bad if Defensive plexing actually gave LP, but it doesn't, and therefore it makes little sense to not let the enemy flip territory or keep it in infinite vulnerability until the consensus was reached to hit high control tiers and cash in..

True, people are hired to fight and fight they do for the LP. But at the same time, Inferno hasn't caused much of an inferno at all...Caldari and Gallente may be 'PvPing like bunnies' but at the same time, take a run around a few systems and Caldari has systems in Infinite Vulnerability. In fact, most of the systems are that way, and that doesn't spur fighting, just the continued plexing in ships that can deal with the NPCs.

Mostly, as far as my less-experienced eyes can see, short of a maths and Control Tier rework, what would likely bring about a bit more fighting (or draw a lot of people away from FW and into Incursions and nullsec) would be to make Defensive plexing actually worth something.

No real comprehensive way to follow this with killboards that I know of. Eve kill gives alliance info. The minmatar tend to have larger alliances than the amarr so I checked Iron oxide :

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=7269

and late night:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=7227

The results seem to substantiate my impression. I am not aware that these alliances have had any large increases or decreases in population. (But I could be wrong there)

Either make a Vulnerable system no longer plex-able (or no LP rewards) or make the Vulnerable state deteriorate after XX amount of time.

stuff....