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Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:27:00 - [1] Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:46:37 __ DISCLAIMER : I am in no way affiliated with eveboard.com nor Chribba. __ For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, it's this: http://eveboard.com It's a much more stable site (both from a hardware standpoint and general trustworthiness of the operator) compared to most other older sites (some of which are now defunct) like inEve or evesheet, which had a lot more users. It also provides the option to hide just about anything from the general public if you so wish, leaving visible only a handful of things, everything else being used only for anonymous statistics... and you only need to enter the LIMITED API key. Personally, I have absolutely nothing set as hidden on my character, but I'm quite partial to the accuracy of anonymous statistics, so the more people participate (even if they choose to hide almost everything), the more accurate those statistics get. Right now, it tracks little under 20k active pilots (out of the estimated roughly 700k that exist), so only roughly 3% of the total population. So... if you aren't using it... can you let us know why not ? EDIT : And if you AREN'T using it... what COULD you get you to use it (if anything) ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:29:00 - [2] Because I don't want people to be able to know what skills I have.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:31:00 - [3] But I am
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:32:00 - [4] Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:34:58 Originally by: omgfreemoniez Because I don't want people to be able to know what skills I have. ~~Then use the option to HIDE your skills from the public.~~ Meh, fair enough. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: omgfreemoniez Because I don't want people to be able to know what skills I have. Then use the option to HIDE your skills from the public. But then what's the point? If you're not going to use it to show off because of the security risk, then why use it at all?
w0rmy Destructive Influence	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:36:00 - [6] I'll tell you why I am not using it, right after you explain to me why I should be. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:37:00 - [7] Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:38:59 Originally by: omgfreemoniez But then what's the point? If you're not going to use it to show off because of the security risk, then why use it at all? Originally by: w0rmy I'll tell you why I am not using it, right after you explain to me why I should be. For the anonymous statistics Besides... it's not like random PvP encounters will result in people insta-ckecking eveboard to see what skills you have while engaging. And just by checking killboards (not even yours, just some of people you engaged in PvP with... or, hell, just battleclinic) other people can also determine not only roughly what skills you have, but also what you prefer to fly. So it's not really that big of a security risk anyway. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T So... if you aren't using it... can you let us know why not ? Unless I am selling a character, nobody needs to see the skills of any of my characters, so they don't get to. If Eve was an altruistic place, where being nice is the norm, then I might. But it is a nasty place where some people take great pleasure in causing other people grief. Knowing exactly what skill their victim has would be a great help in this. So I don't give them the opportunity to find out. If you have a look at my public certificates then you will an idea of the skills I have, well at least the ones I want you to know I have.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:40:00 - [9] Originally by: w0rmy I'll tell you why I am not using it, right after you explain to me why I should be. Asking Akita to give you a constructive answer is like asking a Willow why it's branches are drooping (I love Willow trees by the way).
Doppleganger Minmatar Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T So... if you aren't using it... can you let us know why not ? I am ..... no reason not to
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: omgfreemoniez But then what's the point? If you're not going to use it to show off because of the security risk, then why use it at all? For the anonymous statistics Besides... it's not like random PvP encounters will result in people insta-ckecking eveboard to see what skills you have while engaging. And just by checking killboards (not even yours, just some of people you engaged in PvP with) other people can also determine not just roughly what skills you have, but also what you prefer to fly. OK here's a better reason then: It makes me feel bad to see how bad I am compared to everyone else. (I'm not #1 in a single category, feels bad man).
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:42:00 - [12] Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:47:10 Originally by: omgfreemoniez OK here's a better reason then: It makes me feel bad to see how bad I am compared to everyone else. (I'm not #1 in a single category, feels bad man). I suppose that's fair enough again P.S. What would it get to make you want to use it (if anything) ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T P.S. What would it get to make you want to use it (if anything) ? It needs more graphs and stats. Like ISK vs SP, and Percentages of players who have X amount of isk and so on. Yes I'm obsessed with ISK.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:54:00 - [14] Originally by: omgfreemoniez It needs more graphs and stats. Like ISK vs SP, and Percentages of players who have X amount of isk and so on. Yes I'm obsessed with ISK. Well, it sort of has the latter... Linkage. Walk the list down until desired amount, divide by the number of pilots listed on main page, and voila, you have percentages. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Daniel Cordova	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:00:00 - [15] If I were a merc/PVP corp I'd make a habit of checking boards like that to see what the marks are capable of flying and how well.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:03:00 - [16] Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 02:06:11 Originally by: Daniel Cordova If I were a merc/PVP corp I'd make a habit of checking boards like that to see what the marks are capable of flying and how well. As if checking battleclinic or other killboards wouldn't give you even better info (from certain viewpoints anyway). I suppose there is some merit in NOT using such a site if you PvP on a regular basis (although the effectiveness of not using it is pretty much on par or even worse than the effectiveness of using limited API keys to identify spies), but apparently a big chunk of the population (three quarters or so) doesn't get engaged in PvP at all (according to the QEN). That wouldn't fully explain the lowball 3% participation. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Daniel Cordova	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Daniel Cordova If I were a merc/PVP corp I'd make a habit of checking boards like that to see what the marks are capable of flying and how well. As if checking battleclinic or other killboards wouldn't give you even better info (from certain viewpoints anyway). Highlighted the key words (as in include, not limited just to).
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Daniel Cordova Highlighted the key words (as in include, not limited just to). Yeah, but you end up on battleclinic most of the time whether you want to or not, so a little bit of extra info that people could get from eveboard won't make much of a difference (if any). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Daniel Cordova	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Daniel Cordova on 25/08/2010 02:14:11 Reluctantly ending up on battleclinic as a kill with items fitted still doesn't equate to voluntarily posting the degree of efficiency with which you can fly and fit equipment. In my opinion there is a huge difference. In other words, it isn't just "a little bit of extra info". You're practically showing all your cards. And even if it were, in Eve that bit of extra info can be the difference between winning and losing.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:13:00 - [20] I always prefer apps to web based software solutions. They're faster. And more private. Don't tell me they can phone home....who are they going to call......if....they can't.....speak?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:14:00 - [21] Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that that reason alone shouldn't be the main one for not using it as far as most people are concerned (see edit 2 posts previous). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Namira Sable Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:15:00 - [22] The same reason we don't give our APIs to EveMetrics.
deathkiller95	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:17:00 - [23] OK I asked cleverbot about this. Q:Do you think EVE-Board poses security issues wherin your enemies can easily get knowledge of your abilities? A:No, I do not think that everyone tries as hard as they ought to. Also, we don't do enough as a society to help people improve themselves. Case closed, EVE-board is not a security risk for pvpers.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:21:00 - [24] Originally by: cleverbot Q: Do you think EVE-Board poses security issues wherin your enemies can easily get knowledge of your abilities? A: No, I do not think that everyone tries as hard as they ought to. Also, we don't do enough as a society to help people improve themselves. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Daniel Cordova Highlighted the key words (as in include, not limited just to). Yeah, but you end up on battleclinic most of the time whether you want to or not, so a little bit of extra info that people could get from eveboard won't make much of a difference (if any). Giving your enemy free intel is never a good thing, no matter how little it may seem. And I fail to see why I should care about your stupid statistics. ______
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Brusanan Giving your enemy free intel is never a good thing, no matter how little it may seem. And a "fair enough" yet again. Quote: And I fail to see why I should care about your stupid statistics. I never said you should care, just trying to find out what motivates people to NOT use it. And if anything could be done to make them want to use it. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Akita T I never said you should care, just trying to find out what motivates people to NOT use it. And if anything could be done to make them want to use it. People don't need motivation not to use it. Using it is what requires a motivation. Give people a reason to use it, and they will. I have no reason to use it, so I don't. ______
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 03:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Brusanan Originally by: Akita T I never said you should care, just trying to find out what motivates people to NOT use it. And if anything could be done to make them want to use it. People don't need motivation not to use it. Using it is what requires a motivation. Give people a reason to use it, and they will. I have no reason to use it, so I don't. I gathered as much, that you think you have no reason to use it. That covers only one of two questions though. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.08.25 03:08:00 - [29] I signed up and I think I set it to private. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City' Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
Rahaer Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.25 03:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:59:01 ...And plenty of other statistics in general (explore the clickables there)... What, no one has trained veldspar skills? And I do use eveboard. It's like giving everyone your API, without having to copy/paste 3 million times. Besides that I see no reason not to :) ----- DesuSigs by Crumplecorn

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