since hisec will be much safer for the average player come 8/8, especially when they implement that crimewatch bullshit, perhaps CCP should look at reducing rewards across the board

remove incursions from hisec, move l4s to lowsec, move all ore except the lowest form of veldspar to lowsec and restrict hisec manufacturing to t1 crap

hahaha let's face it they'll never do that, time to start a betting pool on when the game is dead

Actually, the crimewatch changes will probably do more for PVP than anything we've seen in quite some time.

also the yield sacrifice is less than 15%

it's a sad day when CCP feels that they have to make these ships idiot-proof because 15% is too much yield for the poor, poor miners to sacrifice

You can look at this fit.
This is give or take a tanking hulk to almost maxing it out its abilities.

Currently without very perfect skills and implants, a hulk pilot will most likely not survive against two full skilled catalysts with overheating weapons, unless he sacrifice the hull's em/explosive resists in the hope the catalysts will do only antimatter damage (thermal/kinetic), but than again, he will die if they do their homework.

An orca pilot with warfare skills might increase his armor to be just a bit to maybe barely survive.

The hulk's only option will be ECM drones if he is skilled well, in which case one catalyst will be nulled out of the equation.

in a few days, the changes will make this fit a 40K ehp fit (give or take), in which case even a not fully tanked hulk will survive 2 catalysts. But if you bring a third friend, he is dead.

that's a worthless fit

let me tell you how much that "Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I" helps against blaster catalysts

here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg

preheat hardeners, turn them on when catalysts land on you, launch ECM drones set to aggressive and focus fire and they'll most certainly flub

Filling the EM hole is required to deal with other threats. Take your blinders off, Goon.

lmao

the catalyst is the FOTM hulk ganking ship, hands down

you'd still need 4 arty thrashers to kill it in 0.5, and you don't really see that many dudes suicide ganking with thrashers compared to blaster catalysts

It is true that starting off with an insult usually isn't the best way to convince someone of something.

That being said, it is quite possible to make a Hulk unprofitable to suicide gank, and therefore the chances of the attempt being made on you go down significantly. That was the point.

You have to keep in mind that if someone really, really wants to gank you there is no ship in EVE that isn't gankable. In that aspect the Hulk is no different than any other ship. This same lesson applies to even the tankiest of barges after the update as well.

Unlikely to be targetted for the attempt, yes.

Unlikely to die if a typical attempt is made, yes.

Completely ungankable, no. Nothing in EVE is.

Bottom line, if you are worried about being ganked you will now have better options. In other words, if you aren't in an area you can secure and working with Orca support in a mining fleet... choose something else.

lmao

the catalyst is the FOTM hulk ganking ship, hands down

you'd still need 4 arty thrashers to kill it in 0.5, and you don't really see that many dudes suicide ganking with thrashers compared to blaster catalysts

sounds like that's your problem then

"i want to supertank my abaddon AND get 1000 dps from it"

CFC is the new "BoB" you fools!!!

Alas, the game is afoot.
First of all, until all you meatheads (the "russian Corps"), put your "real world" differences aside, they'll never do anything to stop the "Mighty CFC Bullettrain Express" steamrolling all of eve !!!! "Mother Russia" aka CCCP died and broke up into 17 little republics (give or take one or two).
I'll bet if CCP allowed the NPC corps to war dec, they would take that train out since all you other whiners out in pvp land can't do it.
SO go grow a pair and put your ego aside and join together, otherwise, this game will be renamed CFC online. lmao
If I get bored of gate camping and chasing the "skirts" in null sec, I go play "Diablo III" not "My Little Pony of Warcraft"
"TESTicle Alliance" is the "best" alliance.
CFC is the new "Roman Empire" you fools!!!! And CCP can't and won't stop us because we give them pvp.

My question is: Why do people care about the carebears in high sec when there are so many juicy targets floating around in nullsec?

My question is: Why do people care about the carebears in high sec when there are so many juicy targets floating around in nullsec?

Lots of p!ssy suicide gankers been saying that Hulks should just tank better to prevent "most" ganks.
None of them have shown this is possible.

Please indulge me with the following ->
List a gank-proof fit that can still allow the ship to do its base function for a reasonable profit.

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.

This is based off Concord times since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec and te obvious nature of the attack takes this into account. Thank you.

Not really a hulk pilot but as long as you're not afk mining I think this would work.

[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

It's a tight fit. You give up 14% yield by loseing the lows to power grid mods. The tank is as follows.

EHP 20,514
75em
65 th
73kn
75ex

You can change the resists around, I'm just assuming they are going to use EM ammo. Of course the best defense is to be over far away from the warp in for the belt, be passively aligned, be watching D-Scan for combat probes or common ganking ships, and warp out at the first sign of trouble.

Thats the point, you should have to give something up to avoid being ganked.

Want to be able to survive most ganks? Fit a tank.

Want max yield and good cargo? Don't fit a tank.


Should have to choose one or the other....but the 8th screws all that up....

Lots of p!ssy suicide gankers been saying that Hulks should just tank better to prevent "most" ganks.
None of them have shown this is possible.

Please indulge me with the following ->
[b]List a gank-proof fit that can still allow the ship to do its base function for a reasonable profit.[/b]

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.

This is based off Concord times since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec and te obvious nature of the attack takes this into account. Thank you.