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Force Kon
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:53:00 -
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I was talking to some people today in a public channel and the topic of an Autopilot Hack which intercepts outgoing network packets and changes the warp to distance on gates to 0 came up.
Ive always been an honest gamer and never used exploits, bots or hacks. Jumping is a large part of eve and it can be annoying but its a nessecary time sink on players on maintain balance and stability on the market.
I dont know CCPs policy on botting and how much they are willing to let players afk while still "playing" the game but there seems to be just too much of it for my liking. I do spend a lot of time online and i have encounterd some people mining 23 hours a day and its just not humanly possible to do that kinda thing without going insane. I have seen a guy mining with 10 hulks and yes i know its the 1 guy cause i managed to speak to him.
Im not a pvp troll trying to call for the ban hammer to hit afk miners, im a fellow miner and industrialist, a player sitting at the keyboard hitting every button manually and honestly, looking for not love from CCP but justice to hit those who "play" dishonestly and make a negative impact on eve using this external software.
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Black Omne
Caldari
House Of BlackStar
Emergence.
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:56:00 -
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Also clearly covered in the EULA as far as modifying any aspect of the eve client or the way it functions.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 25/08/2010 18:02:15
The best auto pilot hack by far is to be ATK and right-click-WTZ before the AP can warp. Guarenteed to have 100% less malware than the leading macro/bot.
Two clicks per jump isn't hard to do when browsing the web, or reading/watching something.
↓ Or you can do that. 
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:00:00 -
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i have heard that someone put a mwd in teh slot that is f1 and then they go on autopilot and then jam the f1 key down somehow lol 
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:06:00 -
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Just a friendly remind from the EULA 7.3. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
Please feel free to report anyone you feel is using these types of exploits to the GMs for investigation by filling a petition under Rules & Policies.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:15:00 -
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A stack of coins works well, too, and afaik is not considered an exploit.
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Minchurra
Caldari
Feudum Chalybis
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
A stack of coins works well, too, and afaik is not considered an exploit.
Im trying to set up a very elaborate system using one of these.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.25 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
A stack of coins works well, too, and afaik is not considered an exploit.
I use a leatherman pocket tool, carefully placed on the key(s) I want held down....
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.25 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Just a friendly remind from the EULA 7.3. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
[i]Please feel free to report anyone you feel is using these types of exploits to the GMs for investigation by filling a petition under Rules & Policies so that we can laugh at your frustration just before the petition hits the /dev nul directory.
Fixed.
Honestly, after 6 years I still see the same macros used by the same players I petitioned years ago.
I gave up.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.25 23:16:00 -
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Hi I SoStoned. I haven't seen you ages.
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SuicidalPodWhore
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:33:00 -
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I just like putting a battery on my keyboard and going to get something to drink, doing my laundry, walking my dog, eating dinner, then coming back to see I'm where I want to be. :)
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Ugly Chin
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Posted - 2010.08.26 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Force Kon
I was talking to some people today in a public channel and the topic of an Autopilot Hack which changes the warp to distance on gates to 0 came up.
Ive always been an honest gamer and never used exploits, bots or hacks. Jumping is a large part of eve and it can be annoying but its a nessecary time sink on players on maintain balance and stability on the market.
I dont know CCPs policy on botting and how much they are willing to let players afk while still "playing" the game but there seems to be just too much of it for my liking. I do spend a lot of time online and i have encounterd some people mining 23 hours a day and its just not humanly possible to do that kinda thing without going insane. I have seen a guy mining with 10 hulks and yes i know its the 1 guy cause i managed to speak to him.
Im not a pvp troll trying to call for the ban hammer to hit afk miners, im a fellow miner and industrialist, a player sitting at the keyboard hitting every button manually and honestly, looking for not love from CCP but justice to hit those who "play" dishonestly and make a negative impact on eve using this external software.
Removed exploit mechanics. Zymurgist
Don't snitch!
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heheheh
Ecliptic Refuge
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Posted - 2010.08.26 01:59:00 -
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My watch is the current method i use on F1
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2010.08.26 02:16:00 -
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Yup, Ive reported and reported botters but in the end.. they are paying customers and supply market with much needed mats..
CCP will not ban botters, period.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.26 02:27:00 -
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the way my laptop's keyboard is set up, i can wedge a dime under the f6 and 5 key so it holds down f5...
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.08.26 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Genya Arikaido on 26/08/2010 03:09:14
The only macroers CCP actually bans are those engaged in RMT, and even then they get only a temp ban. If they continue macroing after the ban is lifted, then (and only then...) do they get a permaban.
I have -=*=NEVER=*=- seen a single macroer that gets reported get permabanned unless the above is true.
*Dares CCP to rebutt and follow their own EULA to the letter*
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.08.26 03:48:00 -
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well.. CCP believes in 600.000 subscribers as their next goal.. so the occasional macro here or there will be needed (at least until we're save over the hump).
Anyways.. I would love to see only low sec between the 4 empire factions. Make it 2-3 more connections but all through 2-3 low sec systems.
The markets of Amarr/Tash-Murkon/Jita/Dodie are freaking coupled. The only remotely independent market hub from this conglomerate is Rens.
I want to see somebody AFK that, lol.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:59:00 -
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CCP actually listened and is woking on fixing lag, what else can we whine about? Oh yeah, macroers.
Auto-WTZ: Remap one of your keyboard keys to do a mouse click, point the mouse at the warp button, hold the key down with ductape. As someone said before you will WTZ before the autopilot does. (Note: I only heard that one, never tried it - flying AFK in 0.0 is NEVER a good idea, WTZ or not.)
One person with 10 hulks - DUH. Not like you need to do anything other than click three buttons per hour per Hulk. If he has the subscription money and the hardware, and if only thing he wants to do with it is shoot rocks in an internet spaceship game, all the power to him.
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Karu Manara
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
the way my laptop's keyboard is set up, i can wedge a dime under the f6 and 5 key so it holds down f5...
Come up with a better solution or you might end up breaking your keys.
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Internet SpaceAlt
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:08:00 -
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If your game mechanic (not a core part of the game itself, but the way the player interacts with the UI) is purposefully broken to cripple a feature, but hundreds or thousands of players hack the feature into working - whether that's through an actual "illegal" hack or with an entirely legal weight on top of a keyboard trick - with no consequences to the players themselves, you should really re-examine whether it was a good idea to break that mechanic in the first place. ITT, people are calling the hackers cheaters while patting themselves on the back for putting a stack of pennies on a keyboard to do the same thing. This is less moronic on their part than it is on CCP's.
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Slesk
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Slesk on 26/08/2010 22:13:20
Originally by: Drew Blaze
Yup, Ive reported and reported botters but in the end.. they are paying customers and supply market with much needed mats..
CCP will not ban botters, period.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Slesk
Originally by: Drew Blaze
Yup, Ive reported and reported botters but in the end.. they are paying customers and supply market with much needed mats..
CCP will not ban botters, period.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687
They got the boot for being connected with RMT, not for the botting.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Internet SpaceAlt
but hundreds or thousands of players hack the feature into working - whether that's through an actual "illegal" hack or with an entirely legal weight on top of a keyboard trick
Nice try, but you're comparing apples to oranges here. Holding down a key (whether in hardware or software) is a whole different thing than modifying game data (which is what the OP is talking about).
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Internet SpaceAlt
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dian'h Might
Originally by: Internet SpaceAlt
but hundreds or thousands of players hack the feature into working - whether that's through an actual "illegal" hack or with an entirely legal weight on top of a keyboard trick
Nice try, but you're comparing apples to oranges here. Holding down a key (whether in hardware or software) is a whole different thing than modifying game data (which is what the OP is talking about).
You don't get it.
One player modifies the game data to warp to zero so that he can run a freighter through Empire half an hour faster while AFK. Another player does the same thing with a stack of coins on top of a keyboard.
One of these people broke the EULA. One did not. In both cases, the issue is that the underlying mechanic is such an outright dumb time sink that you can break it by putting a stack of coins on your keyboard in what is ostensibly called a video "game".
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Internet SpaceAlt
Originally by: Dian'h Might
Originally by: Internet SpaceAlt
but hundreds or thousands of players hack the feature into working - whether that's through an actual "illegal" hack or with an entirely legal weight on top of a keyboard trick
Nice try, but you're comparing apples to oranges here. Holding down a key (whether in hardware or software) is a whole different thing than modifying game data (which is what the OP is talking about).
You don't get it.
One player modifies the game data to warp to zero so that he can run a freighter through Empire half an hour faster while AFK. Another player does the same thing with a stack of coins on top of a keyboard.
One of these people broke the EULA. One did not. In both cases, the issue is that the underlying mechanic is such an outright dumb time sink that you can break it by putting a stack of coins on your keyboard in what is ostensibly called a video "game".
It is not an outright dumb mechanic. If you want to move things fast(er) and with less danger (that nice 15km ride to the gate), you can sit there and pilot yourself. If you want to progress in the game with no effort whatsoever, you can hit autopilot and take that extra risk and time.
Also, the "stack of coins" thing is absolute bull****, so can we stop arguing about it? there is no button that will *warp to zero or jump on the next gate in your route* that you can just hold down. You'd have to do some clicking, which requires more than a stack of coins.
In any case, modifying the game is against the EULA. Autopilot-warp-to-15km is a good mechanic.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
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Also, the "stack of coins" thing is absolute bull****, so can we stop arguing about it? there is no button that will *warp to zero or jump on the next gate in your route* that you can just hold down. You'd have to do some clicking, which requires more than a stack of coins.
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It's not going to warp you to 0km, it will repeatedly try to turn on(or off) whichever module is linked to the key being held down. So if you have an afterburner or microwarp drive it will activate it shortly after coming out of warp and make the 15km go by a little faster. |
Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.26 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Simply Human
Originally by: Stick Cult
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Also, the "stack of coins" thing is absolute bull****, so can we stop arguing about it? there is no button that will *warp to zero or jump on the next gate in your route* that you can just hold down. You'd have to do some clicking, which requires more than a stack of coins.
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It's not going to warp you to 0km, it will repeatedly try to turn on(or off) whichever module is linked to the key being held down. So if you have an afterburner or microwarp drive it will activate it shortly after coming out of warp and make the 15km go by a little faster.
Fair enough. Still not the same as modifying the client to make autopilot warp to zero, though.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.26 23:01:00 -
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The sphere has been supporting warp to 0 to object in space since at least version 3.7! And autopilot since 4.6.  
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.27 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Internet SpaceAlt
You don't get it.
One player modifies the game data to warp to zero so that he can run a freighter through Empire half an hour faster while AFK. Another player does the same thing with a stack of coins on top of a keyboard.
You're the one who doesn't get it. If the OP was about a hack that makes your F1 key appear to be held down constantly from the servers perspective, then you might have a point. Unfortunately for your point, warping to zero and activating your MWD/AB are two completely separate things.
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Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
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Posted - 2010.08.27 06:40:00 -
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Remove WTZ :)
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