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Gneeznow
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Posted - 2010.08.28 05:30:00 -
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if this topic interests you there's a book you should read called red mars, it covers the colonization of mars using todays technology, the building of cities and towns on the surface, the birth of a civilization on mars, the building of a space elevator for passenger and cargo hauling into orbit, and the eventual revolution of the colonists when they have had enough of being corporate lackeys. It's one of the best sci-fi books you will ever read, there's two other books too called green mars which covers the terraforming and blue mars which jumps forward 200 years to when mars is earth like and independant, and it also covers the colonization of venus and moons around saturn.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.28 05:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Gneeznow
if this topic interests you there's a book you should read called red mars, it covers the colonization of mars using todays technology, the building of cities and towns on the surface, the birth of a civilization on mars, the building of a space elevator for passenger and cargo hauling into orbit, and the eventual revolution of the colonists when they have had enough of being corporate lackeys. It's one of the best sci-fi books you will ever read, there's two other books too called green mars which covers the terraforming and blue mars which jumps forward 200 years to when mars is earth like and independant, and it also covers the colonization of venus and moons around saturn.
I have read all three books. Awesome stuff and a catalyst for this topic.
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There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.08.30 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 30/08/2010 00:39:58
1) The US was going build a new rocket to go back to the moon to build a colony - Obama canceled it all.
2) The Chinese need ... 50 to 100 years (and getting rid of Communism) to take the place of the USA - but that probably will happen. Totalitarian systems do not imbue their people with a stronger will to do anything - they shackle creativity they are afraid they can't control. The problem the kids at Tienanmen had - was that they still had all those long lived first generation revolutionaries to contend with. Those guys are all dead now - but we're only into the second and third generation. What happened with the Soviets - was even most of the people who benefited from that system - came to see it for the unworkable system that it was. That hasn't happened in China yet ... thus the 50 to 100 years.
3) We are in a race against extinction with the multitude of things that can happen to this planet that would end life as we know it. We could have thousands of years ... or it could happen before I finish typing this sentence ... Whew. Made it.
4) People believe what they want to believe ... so #3 above scares nobody. Everyone thinks it's something we don't have to worry about in our life times - and hence don't give a damn what may happen in the future.
5) Given a cooperative effort by the world - there is very little we couldn't do or at least start to do, right now. The world is slightly better about cooperating than it has ever been ... which was - not at all. The USA and the Soviet Union did the vast majority of everything that has been done - despite the fact that much of the rest of the northern hemisphere was technologically capable of doing anything we did. The USA & the Soviet Union were simply the only ones willing to spend the money - and THAT - was only because they were each afraid of the other getting an advantage in space and using it to destroy them. The rest of our technological equals mostly just sat on their asses and let the two of us do all the work. The only thing that's changed - is that the USA & Russia ... now don't have the stimulus of being destroyed to spur their efforts. Without the Cold War - we STILL wouldn't have gotten to the moon. Now ... all that isn't to say that our technological equals haven't done anything ... it's just that - comparatively - they've done very, very little.
6) One of the major problems about things such as the development of space ... is that it all takes a long period of sustained effort ... which the very second there's any kind of economic disruption ... many people are ready to back burner. So - there will always be a reason not to do it.
7) Thus ... in the end ... our species continued existence ... is largely based on dumb luck. We've got all our eggs in one basket ... and ... we'll just have to see if we can get ourselves more baskets before something destroys this one. The fate of this planet has pretty much already been determined - we just don't know exactly what it is yet. If it's an asteroid that hits it - that asteroid is already on the way - however long it may take to get here. If it's volcanic action that wipes out life as we know it ... those processes are happening now - we just don't know enough to predict them accurately.
8) Governments have to lead the way - just as in exploration and the initial establishment of colonies on earth - until the Governments have cut the way - business isn't going to risk their capital. What needs to happen - is that the Governments of the planet need to get things far enough along - that business can believe that they can get rich in space. You have a few tentative efforts now ... but factories in space ... are a very, very long way from now. We have no colonies in space. Until the Earth's Governments get that done ... business isn't going to be following.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.30 04:16:00 -
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The world will never Cooperate It is simply impossible for humans to do so across the whole world. we will always have petty fighting over bull****. if its not resources it is who's god is better. In fact Religion has caused more wars and death across history than any other excuse to make war most likely.
Honestly the only thing that could make people want to work together is a major event.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.08.30 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
The world will never Cooperate It is simply impossible for humans to do so across the whole world. we will always have petty fighting over bull****. if its not resources it is who's god is better. In fact Religion has caused more wars and death across history than any other excuse to make war most likely.
Honestly the only thing that could make people want to work together is a major event.
Uh ... just a quibble with this on religious wars. Mostly ... the way those worked - was there were people in power who wanted the land or whatever of someone else - then as you mentioned - used religion as an EXCUSE to do what THEY wanted to do. So, while the lower ranks may well have been motivated by religious fervor ... there was usually something else going on behind the major wars.
Now today ... you've got religious fanatics attacking people on largely religious grounds ... but those are fanatics and there actually aren't that many of them. Where people have a problem with them - is from ****ing around in dealing with them instead of getting serious about it - putting some real muscle into your efforts - and crushing them.
As to a major event ... yeah ... I suspect it would take some Aliens actually showing up to get the world to cooperate. That's usually what works - a common enemy that scares the hell out of everyone.
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