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Xenuria
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Posted - 2010.08.28 03:32:00 -
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Sometimes the best spies are trolls and often the best trolls would make great spies or professional actors.
Within in context of eve you ability to aggravate or demoralize your opponent is just as important as the quality of ammunition you have loaded into your guns. Trolling is in my opinion a very basic and primitive defense mechanism that only gets more intricate as the skills and intellect of the individual grow.
Dogs troll and they are not considered sentient life. They will pretend to burry a prized toy or possesion in one area in a way that other dogs see and then covertly bury their toy in a different location.
This deception with constructive intent is the very basis of trolling. In eve trolling is more then common in the form of "confidence scams" or tricks that involve the manipulation and leverage of confidence in order to gain isk from other players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pESOSI2hTA
I want you to watch this video on trolling and post in this thread methods or types of trolling that you or someone you know has used to gain an advantage in eve online. Anything from linking fake fits to somebody in your corp whom you know is a spy to cheating somebody out of large sums of money.
Linking fake fits to troll your opponent into fitting in a way that gives you a huge advantage over them is a lifesaver.
When engaged in warfare or factional conflict the use of carefully articulated deception and half truth can make or break an operation.
After a few people have posted in this thread the different trolls they have used I will post some that I have.
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Xenuria
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Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.28 13:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Receg
I too believe trolling to be a art.
Thank you for actually posting constructivly. Also to those that say trolling is the same as lieing or deceiving I ask that you please read the entire post and watch the video.
Extra Credit: Research Machiavellian
"someone who deceives and manipulates others for gain; (personal or not, the gain is immaterial, only action matters, insofar as it affects results). The Prince does not have the moderating themes of his other works; politically, ôMachiavelliö denotes someone of politically extreme perspective;[9] however Machiavellianism remains a popular speech and journalism usage; while in psychology, it denotes a personality type."
Remember when I said the actions you take only matter in so far as they effect the results? This is what I was referring to.
Lieing is used to hide truth or weakness.
Trolling is used to control and manipulate the truth so that it works to a goal. Some societies are based heavily on this concept. Rules are superficial and office politics rule.
Within the context of eve online a "Machiavellian" or "Uber-troll" persona can help you mediate the most impractical of negotiations. When you post in this thread I ask that you first make sure you know exactly what I am talking about and if you don't feel free to ask and use an example.
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Xenuria
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Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.28 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Hawke
I believe the terms are, deception and misinformation. They don't call it trolling.
"Trolling is the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet."
Ok without splitting hairs lets just agree that trolling can and most often is used to antagonize other people. However that antagonization is towards a end goal, being luls.
When talking about more mature and sophisticated games like eve online trolling takes on a more professional apparatus. In eve instead of trolling being used to goat it is used to form elaborate subterfuge. This subterfuge is the means or vehicle by which clandestine goals and agendas are accomplished. In a Machiavellian society everybody trolls and deceives each other and the most common way of verifying what somebody is telling you is to troll or manipulate others or that person to better under their motives. IF you know somebodies true motives it dosent matter how much they lie or troll you because you know that you can extrapolate what information is true based on weather or not it furthers that persons or that groups agendas and coincides with their motives.
I understand that modernization of the term trolling is not all there yet but for the purpose of this thread and the discussion in it trolling is defined as I have defined it thus far.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.28 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha
No, trolling is the same in EVE. You're not trying to gain a physical advantage, that's still just being an "ub3r l33t sp4i". When you troll in EVE, its psychological warfare. You're trying your best to knock your opponent off balance, either through discomfort, or by making them angry. When they're not thinking straight, its that much easier for them to make a simple mistake.
Really, its just focused smack talk, that's designed to really make them angry. Different things for different people.
You make a valid point but anger or discomfort are not the only emotions and angles of trolling in eve. that is such a small small portion of things when compared to the much higher level, multi-layered stuff.
Trolling for me is like writing up a screen play or script for a possible movie. I list all the characters and I am the only actor who knows she is an actor. I mix in different levels of conformity and rehash until each and every bit of dialog that my actor has is both believable and beneficial to the progression of the story. I map out every possible response that is over 40% chance and build or formulate reactions and responses to that.
Eventually I end up with a huge document about 50-170 mb in size containing the entire script, the desired end outcome(s) of the story, the characters and all observed or infered personality data on them for reference, the huge list of responses locations and relevant facts or details that need to be injected into my acting to make the troll constructive (color coded by liner order of progression and importance), and finally I make a scale to grade myself on my performance that I fill out after the end goal has been accomplished or I have run out of content to perpetuate the story.
So for me trolling is an art form like acting except I am the only actor that knows she is playing a part.
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Xenuria
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Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.28 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid
So, you have little life then? Writing a 170mb text document is approximately 75,000 pages, and you say you do this often?
Well if I am doing a job like a professional or possibly paid for troll. Then yeah I get rather srss and I dox and do backround checks on everybody involves and look at what schools they went to and such. Gives me more to work with as far as how they thinks or what their conditioned to react to.
However when I am just playing a game or chilling I dont get that fancy. Also no its not that many pages, I used spreadsheets and graphs or images for reference and that sometimes takes up extra space.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
Do you by perchance, froth at the mouth?
Do you laugh and smile readily?
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.28 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Zilberfrid
So, you have little life then? Writing a 170mb text document is approximately 75,000 pages, and you say you do this often?
Well if I am doing a job like a professional or possibly paid for troll. Then yeah I get rather srss and I dox and do backround checks on everybody involves and look at what schools they went to and such. Gives me more to work with as far as how they thinks or what their conditioned to react to.
However when I am just playing a game or chilling I dont get that fancy. Also no its not that many pages, I used spreadsheets and graphs or images for reference and that sometimes takes up extra space.
The amount of grammatical and syntax errors in this post alone leads me to believe that you are not paid to write.
Brilliant deduction! I am not a writer, although many writers have rough drafts full of errors.
spelling on forums is srss.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.29 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
Actually, anyone who doesn't want to look like an idiot when they are trying to appear intelligent would normally proofread what they write.
That's the whole reason why he 'dose' it. It has got boring very quickly though tbh.
(dose = does Xenuria style)
I heard grammar and spelling was super important on internet forums about internet spaceships.
Confirm/Deny?
Also why can't you just come out and say what everybody else, yourself included is already thinking.
Girl with *****es are hot.
Also if you bothered to watch the youtubepoop you would know that I am just a high functioning autistic savant with a psychology background that likes to engage alternate between trolling to learn new things and provoke new ideas and sappin your corp hanger.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.29 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Posting intelligently helps you with your high and mighty efforts. I'd suggest you try it but some people just lack basic writing skills.
Oh I agree OneTimeAtBannedSpank but others seem to lack creativity.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.29 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: B0X
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Xenuria
I heard grammar and spelling was super important.......
I did laugh at this.
Yet, when arrested, Wheeler was completely disbelieving. ôBut I wore the juice,ö he said. Apparently, he was under the deeply misguided impression that rubbing oneÆs face with lemon juice rendered it invisible to video cameras.
or he is trolling for an insanity defense.
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