Im hoping to reach out to the goons here and ask them to come back for another hi sec tour and help us kill all hi sec incursions the QQ has been fantastic :)

Details man! We need details! It's not just goons that want in on this. Fill us in and I'll do what I can

BTL/TDF have basically been shadowing me all day to stop me from popping the motherships, or at least contesting them.. so basically I have been hoping that another entity can sweep in and get involved or lend us a hand at least..

The QQ has been fantastic as I've mentioned, and I love nothing more than carebear tears :)

New ones spawned a few hours later. It bordered on dt and off peak hours, so carebears hardly noticed. Ones that did just went back to grinding missions meanwhile. Moms have only spawned on one site, as carebears are focusing on one.

There are easier ways to grief than spawning moms yourself and killing them. Even goons aren't that stupid. Go suicide gank some of those tengus. With incursion resist penalty, they're surprising fragile. And it actually pays.

BTL/TDF have basically been shadowing me all day to stop me from popping the motherships, or at least contesting them.. so basically I have been hoping that another entity can sweep in and get involved or lend us a hand at least..

The QQ has been fantastic as I've mentioned, and I love nothing more than carebear tears :)

I've never done incursions so I'm a little behind on all this. Aside from preventing them from getting the loot/LPs, what good does that do?

And is there profit to be made?

I find it amusing that TDF is now greenlighting war decs against Screaming Meercats over this. Just a little mad, are we?

"Lots of good stuff that I wanted to write.

n++[ 2011.09.23 17:01:45 ] carmelos53 > htidraver has put forward an fc in both tdf/fc as participating in the 1st mom kill and 2nd
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:01:47 ] carmelos53 > starfire angel
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:01:52 ] HTIDRaver > starfire angel
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[ 2011.09.23 17:04:08 ] carmelos53 > htidraver how many moms did he help kill?
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:04:16 ] HTIDRaver > both IIRC
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:04:29 ] HTIDRaver > but was very active during the first as he hadnled loot distribution
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n++[ 2011.09.23 17:05:37 ] Cozmic Cowboy > starfire has been removed from TDF channel
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:05:44 ] Ammzi > Starfire remains on the BTL channel
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:05:45 ] HTIDRaver > I have the decs and I welcome them all I am asking is if you ban me because I was a BTL FC then surely someone who is also an FC must be banned
n++[ 2011.09.23 17:05:55 ] HTIDRaver > as he participated
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I'm sure Goons will be falling over themselves to help HTIDRaver with his undeniably smart public call for "whelp i've wardec'd and people are leaving my alliance".

Goons have obviously been lying in wait for this perfect opportunity to be seen as some random highsec carebear's willing lapdog and will jump at the chance to abandon their current operations in Delve and come to his rescue.

The only tears left are HTIDRaver's. Begging Goons to help get you out of the hole you've been digging yourself for the last few days only comes across as pathetic.

He spent Friday afternoon trying to demand that players retract their wardec's or he'd continue to try to take down highsec motherships the moment they spawned.

When he tried to form up for taking down the Amarr Morbit mothership after it spawned he managed a total of 25 players vs 100+ BTL/TDF pilots who were in the same system doing HQ sites.

Seeing as he had zero chance of even entering the mothership site HTIDRaver left the system to do assault sites. This was the result: http://i.imgur.com/xcp1v.jpg along with 5 or 6 other wrecks. His fleet didn't even manage to finish the site, screenshots provided by another fleet that actually did clear the site.

Although it's still nowhere near as spectacular as his 14 out of 40 ship loss in an HQ site in the last Gallente highsec pocket incursion a few weeks ago.

Im hoping to reach out to the goons here and ask them to come back for another hi sec tour and help us kill all hi sec incursions the QQ has been fantastic :)

Seeing as he had zero chance of even entering the mothership site HTIDRaver left the system to do assault sites. This was the result: http://i.imgur.com/xcp1v.jpg along with 5 or 6 other wrecks. His fleet didn't even manage to finish the site, screenshots provided by another fleet that actually did clear the site.

Although it's still nowhere near as spectacular as his 14 out of 40 ship loss in an HQ site in the last Gallente highsec pocket incursion a few weeks ago.

I'm sure Goons will be falling over themselves to help HTIDRaver with his undeniably smart public call for "whelp i've wardec'd and people are leaving my alliance".

Goons have obviously been lying in wait for this perfect opportunity to be seen as some random highsec carebear's willing lapdog and will jump at the chance to abandon their current operations in Delve and come to his rescue.

The only tears left are HTIDRaver's. Begging Goons to help get you out of the hole you've been digging yourself for the last few days only comes across as pathetic.

He spent Friday afternoon trying to demand that players retract their wardec's or he'd continue to try to take down highsec motherships the moment they spawned.

When he tried to form up for taking down the Amarr Morbit mothership after it spawned he managed a total of 25 players vs 100+ BTL/TDF pilots who were in the same system doing HQ sites.

Seeing as he had zero chance of even entering the mothership site HTIDRaver left the system to do assault sites. This was the result: http://i.imgur.com/xcp1v.jpg along with 5 or 6 other wrecks. His fleet didn't even manage to finish the site, screenshots provided by another fleet that actually did clear the site.

Although it's still nowhere near as spectacular as his 14 out of 40 ship loss in an HQ site in the last Gallente highsec pocket incursion a few weeks ago.

Really, in my personal opinion, it boils down to an agreement made by two parties that, despite them thinking it should be, it shouldn't be over reaching to all players. This agreement I speak of is the "deal" between armor and shielf fleets for MOM kills. Any group of individuals should be able to go out and kill he MOM fleet if they want to. There is no authority held by either the TDF leader of the BTL leader to decide exactly WHO gets the capability to kill the MOM's. They are an open "resource" available to ANYONE that wishes to go and take on the challenge. That, right there, despite all other points that can be brought up, is the basic reason why any of this happened in the first place.

Really, in my personal opinion, it boils down to an agreement made by two parties that, despite them thinking it should be, it shouldn't be over reaching to all players. This agreement I speak of is the "deal" between armor and shielf fleets for MOM kills. Any group of individuals should be able to go out and kill he MOM fleet if they want to. There is no authority held by either the TDF leader of the BTL leader to decide exactly WHO gets the capability to kill the MOM's. They are an open "resource" available to ANYONE that wishes to go and take on the challenge. That, right there, despite all other points that can be brought up, is the basic reason why any of this happened in the first place.

Really, in my personal opinion, it boils down to an agreement made by two parties that, despite them thinking it should be, it shouldn't be over reaching to all players. This agreement I speak of is the "deal" between armor and shielf fleets for MOM kills. Any group of individuals should be able to go out and kill he MOM fleet if they want to. There is no authority held by either the TDF leader of the BTL leader to decide exactly WHO gets the capability to kill the MOM's. They are an open "resource" available to ANYONE that wishes to go and take on the challenge. That, right there, despite all other points that can be brought up, is the basic reason why any of this happened in the first place.