There's no such thing as isk/hr when it comes to exploration.

There's no such thing as isk/hr when it comes to exploration.

agreed

and why are there so many players who try to determine an isk/hr ratio for the profession?
EVE is not a job, it's a game. Quit trying to slap a "minimum wage" on activities in a video game. ahahahaha! this is so idiotic

If you had a large enough sample size there is. How much isk you made in a month by how much time you spent on exploration that month. Even that might not be a large enough sample, though. I guess if he meant, "If I spend 3 hours this afternoon on exploration, how much money will I make?", then yeah that's a ridiculous question with no answer.

There's no such thing as isk/hr when it comes to exploration.

general consensus seems to be that you can expect between 50 and 150mil/hr from all of these. YMMV.

I keep getting told that highsec has high rewards and that I should move to highsec?

Could someone knowledgeable tell me, what the ISK/h is in various forms of carebearing:

Mining: 0.0 vs Highsec
Highsec lvl4s vs lvl5s.
Anomaly farming vs incursion.
Exploration in 0.0 vs low vs highsec.

Should I start moving now?

There's no such thing as isk/hr when it comes to exploration.

Last month I spent 16 hours exploring Lowsec and reaped 4.5b ISK averaging 280mil ISK/hr.
Last month I spent 10 hours exploring Highsec and reaped 1.2b ISK averaging 120mil ISK/hr.

This was the first month I started tracking my ISK/hr while exploring. Given enough data points I will have a reasonably accurate expectation of my average ISK/hr.

Therefore, there is such a thing as ISK/hr when it comes to exploration.

You can have an idea what kind of loot and ISK you can get in hi-sec from exploration.
The results based on average 3 hours per day "loop scanning" around 10 systems.

Hi-Sec Exploaration Report


At the very present moment there is nothing close to FW in terms of ISK/Hour, ISK/Skills or ISK/Risk.

And it is a lot of fun too

Faction warfare is a lot different now. You have to sit on all of your LP until your faction decides to dump lp and upgrade to t3/4. You also have to consider the time it takes to cash in all of those lp and move the ships/items. I've found FW doesn't pull quite so far ahead when you factor that in.

yes, because 26 h of exploration is very large timespan. lol

does it mean that when i find a dread gurista rat in lowsec belt that drops 200mil implant i can say i have 200 mil/h from ratting? not really.

and there is no measurement of how much you can get from exploration, simply because there are other people doing the same thing, and if you are in a timezone when there's alot of people doing the same your isk ratio can't be determined. you can say how much you had from exploration in last month and calculate isk/h from your observations, but if suddenly your alliance will have a new corporation, or one corporation will leave and your alliance holds sov, your isk income from exploration will change.

and there is no measurement of how much you can get from exploration, simply because there are other people doing the same thing, and if you are in a timezone when there's alot of people doing the same your isk ratio can't be determined. you can say how much you had from exploration in last month and calculate isk/h from your observations, but if suddenly your alliance will have a new corporation, or one corporation will leave and your alliance holds sov, your isk income from exploration will change.

You can't determine isk/hr as a number that tells you what you going to earn the next hour, ..

That's how statistics works, comrade.

Regardless of this, the expected isk/hr for both activities can be calculated.

It's like calculating the isk/hr of buying a lottery ticket.

You're an awfully bad troll.

In other news, armchair statisticians unite!

You know, just because someone has an opinion that differs from your own and is posted on a spaceship forum, doesn't make them a troll right?

This is a troll:

you're too dumb to know what a troll is

Math is hard...

When you're an idiot.

That's more like it. Why pretend to be something you're not?

Or, in statistical terms: Exploration isk/hr has a much larger standard deviation than lv4 hisec mission isk/hr.

Regardless of this, the expected isk/hr for both activities can be calculated.

nothing is guaranteed in exploration.

Literally too stupid to read, aren't you?

You do know your original troll comment wasn't even to me, right?

Goddamn, there's no end to your dumb is there?

Please keep showing us how you're too incompetent to read relevant posts.

I'm astounded at your ability to overlook any posts that prove you're a blundering idiot.

I'm astounded at your inability to understand the basic concepts of math and statistics.

I'm astounded at your inability to understand the basic concepts of math and statistics.

I would like to see you calculate the isk/hr ratio of exploration and actually prove in-game that the number is correct, and you on a hourly basis produce the calculated income.

I would like you to gain a basic understanding of how math works so you can avoid making idiotic posts like this in the future. I guess neither of us will be getting what we want today.

You literally don't understand what the word "random" means do you?

You literally don't understand how easy it is for "randomness" to be incorporated into statistical analysis do you?

I'll say it again.

You can come up with a proper number of data points to get some sort of isk/hr value for exploration without a doubt. I am not contesting this.

The reliability of such a number, however, would be non-existant and thus the practicality of it is useless.

Do you understand why? (I ask, because I don't think you do).

I would like you to gain a basic understanding of how math works so you can avoid making idiotic posts like this in the future. I guess neither of us will be getting what we want today.

You mean, "I'll say it for the first time". Because until this point what you've actually been saying is "There's no such thing as isk/hr when it comes to exploration." Those are your words, not mine. .

Yeah absolutely, the problem is even if you get that sample size and do those calculations, the results you have are simply not useful in any practical sense, for the reason you described at the end of your post.

Whereas with missions/incursions/anomalies/belt ratting/mining, these things are much more consistent and an accurate and applicable isk/hr number can be had relatively easy.

This is the key.

With incursions/missions/belt ratting/mining, you have a guaranteed isk/hr figure that you can use.

Sure, with enough data points, you could get some relative isk/hr for exploration, but that figure is next to useless due to the random nature of exploration.

I accept your apology and surrender.

Quality posting though, kudos

(Not really, I feel kinda bad that you are this dumb)

Surrender? Ha! Why would I surrender to such an inferior and obviously unarmed opponent?

Forum posting: Estimated ISK per hour = zero

Seriously guy's...log off. Have a beer :)

I've heard McDonalds has decent isk/hour rate - something like 470mil per hour considering PLEX cost around $15.

P.S. Maximum I could get out of hi-sec mining is 15 mil/ hour, 25-30mil for missions, 40-50mil for incursions. People report 100mil per hour null-sec ratting. Also WH space residency may be very interesting for those who treat EVE like a job.

15$/hour from McDonalds is pretty good. Don't they usually pay minimum wage there?