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Jafa Krieg
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Posted - 2010.08.31 17:47:00 -
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Thanks for all the input everyone. I've decided that i'm going to train my armor skills up. Regardless of how great a rookie pvp ship the drake is, I want to have more options. Caldari just doesn't deliver many options, and a lot of recruiters i've spoken with are very turned off by someone who can't fly armor tanked ships at all (If I do consider faction warfare though, i'll be sure to try draketrain - you seem to be one of a few exceptions). Something about eggs and a basket. 
Cheers.
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.08.31 18:07:00 -
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Well, you don't necessarily have to go an armor tank. You should look into some of the Minmitar ships...
For example the Jaguar assault frigate is a nice little ship that generally shield tanks. The Broadsword is a HIC that shield tanks, and is generally better than the Onyx. Or think about the Hurricane, it can be either a shield tanker or an armor tanker.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.31 21:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Jafa Krieg
Thanks for all the input everyone. I've decided that i'm going to train my armor skills up. Regardless of how great a rookie pvp ship the drake is, I want to have more options. Caldari just doesn't deliver many options, and a lot of recruiters i've spoken with are very turned off by someone who can't fly armor tanked ships at all (If I do consider faction warfare though, i'll be sure to try draketrain - you seem to be one of a few exceptions). Something about eggs and a basket.
Cheers.
the drake is not a rookie ship by any means. People that can fly other ships still fly drakes occassionally and older pilots do as well. I know 3-4 year old pilots that will still fly a drake sometimes. I am a bit over 2 years old can fly 3 races of sub cap T1s and 2 races of T2s and i still fly the drake.
Most corps/alliances like armor skills because that is what is mostly used in pvp. I think armor tanking blows chunks myself especially buffer wise and with all the corps and alliances in eve i wouldnt go anywhere that forces me to fly what they want me to fly. My theory is when they pay for my account they can tell me what i should fly.Normally i try to fly a preferred ship type though.
Personally i would of stuck with the drake , its a great ship to learn in. Probably the best ship to learn pvp in. drakes are very forgiving, easy to fit, can do a varity of roles decently well and no FC that has a clue, calls them as primary if their are other ships on the field. which means you spend more time on the field learning and less time fitting new ships while everyone else is pvping. And their arent many corps alliances that are going to tell a new pilot that can fly a drake " i am sorry but you cant join cause you dont fly armor tanks" and if you find one like that i would steer away from them, as thats really not a good learning experience IMHO.
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Jafa Krieg
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Posted - 2010.08.31 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
I see what you're saying, but I don't think getting the last ounce out of my drake (ie. perfect compensation skills, heavy/ham spec V, launcher skills V) is a better deal than spending those months of training time on some other ship types. I dont think my training was wasted, my drakes will probably see plenty of action, but like I said, i'm more interested in getting into a decent pvp corp than clinging to my beloved ship. I absolutely hate the caldari frigates and cruisers (t1 and t2), so I don't think im going to miss much (except the tengu, but I'm way to poor to pvp in that thing anyhow).
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Joe Censored
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.31 22:53:00 -
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The Drake is a good ship, but the problem is it is flown by a lot of noobs. It is the standard noob ship in the game, which also means it is often poorly fit and flown like an idiot. Its become quite a stereotype that Drake pilots are all care bear nubs.
So your problem is, when you apply to another corp as a Drake specialist you will be facing an assumption that you suck at Eve even if that isn't true.
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Adophnil
Dark Reality Unified
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Posted - 2010.09.01 04:41:00 -
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Drakes are excellent ships as a few well known PVPers have pointed out to you. Once you find some of the fits that are effective, you can work solo or in a gang. You also have the added luxury of being one of the cheaper PVP Battlecruisers. If you opt to fit Heavy Missiles (which isn't always a bad thing), I highly suggest a relatively cheap (20-30M) implant for fitting.
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JerseyBOI 2
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Posted - 2010.09.01 08:10:00 -
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Lets chant together. You can't kite blobs in canes, you can't kite blobs in harbs, you can't kite blobs in myrms. If u not kiting blobs your in one and are a fail f@#k. That is all.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.01 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Most corps/alliances like armor skills because that is what is mostly used in pvp. I think armor tanking blows chunks myself especially buffer wise and with all the corps and alliances in eve i wouldnt go anywhere that forces me to fly what they want me to fly. My theory is when they pay for my account they can tell me what i should fly.Normally i try to fly a preferred ship type though.
And thus you demonstrate that you're a clueless scrub.
A random collection of ships that pilots feel like bringing is going to die to a well designed fleet. What you should do is look for a corp that prefers to fly in a style that you like.
BTW armor tanking is superior to shield tanking in many ways; cap efficiency, base resists and signature radius vs. instant rep and mobility that comes with shield tanks.
The drake is 'good enough' for many fleets while being superb in a few and definitely the best bang for your buck in terms of 6 months SP. As to where you go from here think about what you might want to do and don't forget that the tacklers don't take much training to be good enough to be popular with FCs.
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mrmooo
Caldari
Pentag Blade
Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jafa Krieg
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
I see what you're saying, but I don't think getting the last ounce out of my drake (ie. perfect compensation skills, heavy/ham spec V, launcher skills V) is a better deal than spending those months of training time on some other ship types. I dont think my training was wasted, my drakes will probably see plenty of action, but like I said, i'm more interested in getting into a decent pvp corp than clinging to my beloved ship. I absolutely hate the caldari frigates and cruisers (t1 and t2), so I don't think im going to miss much (except the tengu, but I'm way to poor to pvp in that thing anyhow).
Shield skills are always useful many ships can have either shield or armour tank--eg Cane or Brutix
Battlecruiser skill covers all 4 races
Missile skills are never a waste of time ie Drake Cereberus nighthawk Typhoon stealthbombers etc
so training for a Drake is not a cul de sac for skills (btw you really dont need specialisation skills to lvl 5 unless u got 75mil sps and are looking for something to train)
But if u want to go armour and guns thats fine to--ive done both but I have to say Drake remains my ship of choice even tho I can fly more shiney stuff
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:20:00 -
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Following on from the previous poster, the FC will build a fleet on what is required as well as who is available and also what ships they have in stock at that time.
An alliance might state on a given date they wish to run a sheild gang (maybe long or short range, BC or HAC etc), so everyone knows on that date to turn up with a sheild fit and basilisks and a certain weapon fit.
Personally if I were in your shoes I would finish training up a drake so you can use a T2 fit (you'll need some T1 modules for PVP fits due to fitting) drake then train up to fly a armour fit ship BC like a Brutix which can both armour and sheild tank.
You might not want the Brutix though, Minmatar is current FOTM.
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Garbad theWeak
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Most corps/alliances like armor skills because that is what is mostly used in pvp. I think armor tanking blows chunks myself especially buffer wise and with all the corps and alliances in eve i wouldnt go anywhere that forces me to fly what they want me to fly. My theory is when they pay for my account they can tell me what i should fly.Normally i try to fly a preferred ship type though.
And thus you demonstrate that you're a clueless scrub.
A random collection of ships that pilots feel like bringing is going to die to a well designed fleet. What you should do is look for a corp that prefers to fly in a style that you like.
BTW armor tanking is superior to shield tanking in many ways; cap efficiency, base resists and signature radius vs. instant rep and mobility that comes with shield tanks.
The drake is 'good enough' for many fleets while being superb in a few and definitely the best bang for your buck in terms of 6 months SP. As to where you go from here think about what you might want to do and don't forget that the tacklers don't take much training to be good enough to be popular with FCs.
This person knows what he is talking about. Listen to him.
The drake is not a beginner ship. Its suitable for almost anything other than a specific fleet (armorhacs, sniperhacs, SBers, etc). Its cheap, powerful, and easy to learn. Its good for a new player to learn to pvp in or for an old player to bang for the buck with. And not coincidentally, it is by FAR the #1 ship for pvp kills every month.
Use the drake as a workhorse and learn what kind of specialty ships you enjoy using (cloaky, ecm, nano, sniper, armorhacs, and more). Then train for them, but don't think your drake is useless. I can fly basically any ship in the game smaller than a capital and money is not a concern for me, yet I still often use BCs as a day to day workhorse.
And when fitting your drake, remember:
Gank > Tank
Fit a point and ideally another ewar (web or painter)
If 0.0, it needs a MandantoryWD
Faction Missiles > t2, and bring at least two flavors of missiles (em and kin are most popular)
If possible, fill your EM resist hole
Consider using ECM drones if you have adequate small ships in your fleet
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Jafa Krieg
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jafa Krieg on 01/09/2010 20:19:52
Well, ive reviewed my situation and changed my mind. Realizing just how much time it would take me to switch to armor and guns vs. the month or two to mostly max-out my drake. I've got a rifter now with an armor plate and some t1 guns. That'll have to do for armor gangs I guess. 
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:45:00 -
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bump to get my screenshot
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Tanaka Reina
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Posted - 2010.09.02 06:01:00 -
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all missile support skills you learn help you with other missileships, and there really is quite a few to learn, good ones are in my opinion: Caracal for anti-frigate work, can also hit out to 100km in HM form easily. Cerberus (expensive drake + speed is better than cheaper drake) or of course manticore which meaby isnt the best SB out there but still, you can contribute to SB warfare. I usually fly caracals and now started to fly the Cerberus. Ive tried flying a drake but since im usually solo and in lowsec I hate how slow it is.
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Inggroth
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Inggroth on 02/09/2010 12:22:47
Edited by: Inggroth on 02/09/2010 12:22:13
Originally by: Jafa Krieg
So just how much of a turn-off is a drake specalized pilot
No matter twhich BC you train for there will always be some gang format where the FC will not accept you bringing that BC.
There are corps/alliances out there running Drake gangs with Skimis+anti-frig support (DarkSide aka DrakeSide comes to mind),i'd say just look for a corp which runs shield-gangs and you'll be fine.
Also with those missile skills, you're probably not far away from flying a decently skilled Stealth Bomber.
Or if you want to fit in every gang just train up ceptors/dictors. They're often reimbursed and another scout/tackler/bubbler never hurts.
Thats what i do currently (also ~6months old)
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