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DNSBLACK
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:51:00 -
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Correct me if Iam wrong.
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
Unless an eve player has found a way to pvp away from their key board then I have a hard time understanding how a AFK person can kill you. About all he can do is disturb your sense of security. The other thing i dont understand is how you know he is AFK if the only time you see him is when he is killing you with his friends.
Matter fact I cant remeber a time ever in this game that I died to a afk player.
So what you are saying is you are dieing to a PVP macro. LOL. So now we have macro miners, macro ratters and macro pvpers.
Iam fed up with AFK+ people in JITA, AFK MINERS, AFK RATTERS, AFK MARKET TRADERS, AFK MISSION RUNNERS, AFK GATE CAMPERS, AFK GRIEFERS, AFK NINJA SALVAGERS, ok lets just rap this up AFK PLAYERS IN EVE. LOL I hope you see your argument is not against cloakers but AFKERS. Now CCP give us game skills so we can detect AFKERS. Or better yet declare AFKING an exploit and band them.
Challenge yourself and learn to play eve it is a hard game and that is what we enjoy.
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DNSBLACK
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Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: DNSBLACK on 02/09/2010 15:04:54
 Originally by: Rajheen Orlox
All those clever sh+ts and not ONE of them can actually come up with a way to defeat a Cloaking Griefer (Reveal his position, trap him, kill him..) because they all KNOW the REAL argument isnt about "Intelligence Gathering" or being a carebear..
It's about them having an exploit that pays them to sit in a system (Usually one without a station.. Maybe a POS or 2..) and put a stop to corp production such as mining and just be there for the unstoppable "Grief" factor.
this ruins the game for the majority of players in that system.
Why?
Because Cloaky Griefing is the only tactic that has NO counter Tactic.
They know this.
They use this.
They profit from it.
the game is unalanced for those of us who can do nothing against them.
they tell us all there's lots we can do.
1 Billion isk to the person who can reveal a determined Cloaky Griefer succesfully time after time..
As long as the game isn't modiified to fix it, the isk is safe.
Raj.
I have a question did he have to decloak to kill you? If he didnt then I need to train those skills that allowed that guy to kill you when he was cloaked. I think that may be an exploit. Seriosly, I will expand my point by saying " I have never died to a AFK player, nor have I ever died to a cloaked ship" Everyone who has ever killed me has either been at there computer or in a ship that I could see.
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DNSBLACK
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:16:00 -
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How to kill a griefing cloaker:
1. Wait till he decloaks.
2. Fire Gun or missle.
3. Tank his damage out put.
4. If he has friends come in make sure you have friends who will come to your rescue.
5. Fight it out. PVP is another term for it.
6. Retreat if you think you are going to lose or do what so many do so well from high sec die in a nice explosion and learn from the engagement and try again.
Can I have the isk please or is that to complicated for you
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DNSBLACK
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Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 16:57:00 -
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Raj,
Before we go any further please define "Cloaky Griefer". I think until you let us know what this type of game play is we can give you a proper counter. This is a new term for 0.0 life that most of us who have lived here a long time dont understand what it means.
We understand "Cloaky PVPer" or "Cloaky scout" but isnt grief a term you use when someone is preventing you from playing the game. Please let us know how this single cloaky guy is preventing you from play the game.
Black
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DNSBLACK
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/09/2010 16:32:47
If you are asking for a mechanism to allow you to hunt down AFK cloakers that have been in your system for an EXTENDED period of time, I'm not entirely against that. However such a mechanism should not be something that allows you to instantly locate this individual, or locate an individual that is actively warping cloaked around your system (not AFK).
Something along the lines of a POS module that once activated takes 30 minutes to an hour to track down the cloaker (as long as he hasn't warped during that time) has been discussed before... and indeed has some merit.
If, however, you are trying to maintain that tactics developed to deal with cloakers seeking to actively engage you (decloaking, and thereby becoming both an actual threat and vulnerable at that point) then I have to disagree with you. There is no tactic that is 100% sure to work, nor should there be, however the various tactics pointed out in this thread are highly effective if done correctly. This is as it should be.
I have to admit, it should be interesting to see your reaction the first time that cloaker takes the next step and pops a covert cyno and brings in an attack group. This, in my opinion, is one of the more difficult tactics in EVE today to counter effectively and requires a high degree of skill and coordination to deal with. It's rather like camping an invisible gate with no scout on the other side to see what's coming through, but anyone on the other side can see you clearly. Even so, there are tactics that will give you a reasonable chance of routing the attacking covert hot drop. I would not like to see this change.
To sum up, if you restrict yourself to arguing for a mechanic to deal with "true" AFK cloakers (by that I mean a cloaker that is in your system 23/7, and only engages once or twice a day) as a way to combat industry suppresion tactics you "might" be able to make a case for yourself.
hello ranger,
Nice post. I think DNS has found its next target LOL. By the way tell your guys they did a great job and we had alot of fun fights.
Black
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DNSBLACK
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Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Rajheen Orlox
I can see where you are going. But even superhuman PvP ers like you really cannot defend the indefensible.
When someone cloaks up in a system where there are POS's etc and decides to stay hidden for the duration of the day. (Day after day..) he has only nuisance value.
This as you well know is the definition of a "Cloaky Griefer.." he cloaks he's there to grief.
It works,
OMG
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miners cannot mine
you can organise guards for your miners? falcons/arazu next to them e.g.
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ratters cannot rat, etc etc.
you can fit your ships properly? ratting in pvp ships works very well.
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It may suprise you but not everyone is in 0.0 to PvP additionally, corps rarely have all their guys on at the same times..
This doesnt mean you can live in 0.0 like it would be highsec and it never ever should be like that.
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There are varying levels of PvP capability and defence or offense and take a snapshot of any corp any time and it's rarely all the guys are there to do.. (Well do what? - Warp about the system shouting "I have cheese!" at the Griefer?)trying to bait him?
Thats not his job is it? We cannot find him but only because none of us has a skillset that allows us to eventually disclose his position.
You dont have to know his position, at his current position/situation he cant do anything to you beyond looking at you. he is cloaked. he cant activate any modules or so
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We cannot blob him.
Fixed it for you.
The thing is pretty simple. be prepared to fight or run all the time. especially in 0.0. If the cloaked guy can harm you, you can harm him. Now go and prepare.
(just one week without cloak whine from nc pets.... just one week.)
Ok from now on this is what i will quote for you Raj, I could not have responded better. Griefing Cloaker LOL. Please stop RAJ you are looking like a WOW player everytime you post
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