Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

They already have roles for which their stats and bonuses already lean them towards. So nothing would change.

So did the barges and exhumers.

All miners saw was "this one haz moar yieldz" so they ignored those.

So did the barges and exhumers.

All miners saw was "this one haz moar yieldz" so they ignored those.

New and exciting.

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

....and the EVE Monsoon season contiues.

So did the barges and exhumers.

All miners saw was "this one haz moar yieldz" so they ignored those.

This thread again.

I think beavers should have wings.

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Cease your whining. CCP has 'fixed' barges due to 1 bajillion m3/thread of tears on these forums.

^Well to be fair, the minmitar and tengu have been overpowered for awhile. The gallente should get their drone buff first. Then after like 6 months the other races can get those buffs as well.

Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg

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Up, up to the sky-á
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[long instrumental]

Fly, beaver fly-á
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[long instrumental to fade]

*yawn*

Yet another crying miner threa......HEY WAIT A MINUTE

Why the change.. because ccp enjoys tears more than anyone else, clearly miners tears werent enough so they went for there opposite and decided for 2012 they will harvest ganker tears, which from the forums are much more abundant and tasty than anything miners can produce.

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Parents, don't let your kids do drugs or they may end up making posts like the OP!

Mercoxit ship, ice ship and everything else ship was super enriching.

Funny reading all these threads enjoying the free mug of tears but i can only drink so much. and this kinda reminded of some of the old days where the hulk was dangerous. as time went on they slowly became easily killed. Maybe it has to do with the new era of hulk pilots and their greed and not wanting to think i might get ganked. An old story when a carebear had enough yes its true The Pilots battle Record

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Well, maybe because they are.

If miners wanted to be able to fit their ship by themselve, maybe they shouldnt have created dozens of threads on the forums on the "I cant fit my ship to save my life" variation.

http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

But as we've seen time and time again, Miners ARE too stupid to fit their own ships.

This isn't news: after all, the average miner still mines in a Hulk (a PVP Nullsec Mining ship designed for group mining) and fits for 100% yield, even if that destroys his EHP. And then goes AFK while mining with a bot, to boot.

These mining ship changes won't affect anything, in fact. The miners will still fit the best yield with the best yield fitting, to hell with any tank. Yeah, they'll lose ships here and there, but they're running bot accounts and mining 23.5x7, they really don't care.

Nullsec alliances don't use bots...

Except to compete with the Bot Miners, you have to either:

1. Bot Mine
2. Play like a Bot.

And rather than disrupt this cycle in any way, CCP is pandering to the bots. Again.

As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:

When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.

When a Highsec idiot is botting, a magical super-ship police force shows up to protect him. Now, the community can still deal with these idiots, but only at a large investment of time and ships -- and the ships have to be replaced, which directly supports the ecosystem that causes the botters in the first place.

Oh, and did I mention that CCP seem to be hell bent on making this magical super-ship police force stronger, and making the bots even harder to kill? Why? Because the botters pay for 23+ accounts and they're worth more than us.

How much your ratting bots make per hour? 1b?

Deal with it.

Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

While everyone allowed to demand whatever they want - I want t2 logisitcs frigates.

According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.

Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?

Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?

So lemme get this straight. It is wrong that a procurer can get 70kehp while costing 15 mil and a damnation only gets only 260kehp for 215 mil.

But it's ok that a 3x 10 mil catalyst can gank a 300 mil well tanked hulk?:P

the ehp/isk ratio is way off.

So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more.

Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.

Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.

I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.

And again...

If you want to gank Retrievers and Macks after the patch get friends. EVE is a MMO game.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129

Seriously, when was the last time you saw Procurer mining in hisec and you didn't laugh?

Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.

Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.

I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.

As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:

When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.

When a nullsec idiot is botting, he's in a blued renter alliance where everybody know about him and pretend to look the other side. All the land owners care about are the billions they can monthly charge to close 1, 2 and even 3 eyes.

Your post is, quite simply, the most idiotic I have seen to do with these changes.

Combat ships are already statted in such a way as to favour certain ways of flying. This is simply the same thing but for miners. Jerk.

Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?

Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...

Why should miners fit thier ships for max EHP? Everyone fit ships for maximum of it's role, so mining barges and exhumers should be fitted for max yield.
Do You fit Your PVP ship with max cargo because you will take loot from wrecks? So STFU already, pathetic gankers cry because they can't kill defenseless, not moving targets in HS... Why, why so many id...s in such a brilliant game?

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

CCP could announce bankruptcy tomorrow and half these forums would celebrate because it would **** off Goonswarm and the other PVPers.

Pathetic, ignorant, spiteful children.

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Are you saying a well piloted T1 Frigate can not take out these Mining Barges in the same way a well Piloted T1 Fritage takes down these Battleships?

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Funny, I immediately thought of your leader when you said "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful", given his infamy in spewing hateful and ignorant vitriol against carebears.

If they weren't defended by magical super-police ships, sure.

If they weren't defended by magical super-police ships, sure.

Example, please?

Most recent (couple of months ago) that comes to mind is your leader going on a tirade accusing "carebears" of being whiny, self-entitled, ignorant, yadda yadda and how it was his calling to fix Eve from them. Can't find the article where he posted this as I don't usually make a habit of storing trash, but let me know and I'll dig it up if you really need proof. But I suspect you follow up on your leader's rhetoric pretty well and probably have a good idea on when and where this specific rant was posted .

Yes, please go dig it up, I'll wait. I'm eager to see if the actuall "The Mittani" rant is as full of "hateful and ignorant vitriol" as the cartoon "The Mittani" that you have created in your head.

Then, being that you yourself spew hateful vitriol, the shoe fits and I reiterate:

YOU are the "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful child".

And lucky you I found the article :

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/79

Included are these gems:

"there is a silent, ignorant herd of players"
"The ignorance demonstrated by this class of players is not an isolated problem, but part of a growing and dangerous trend."
"It is this combination of ignorance and entitlement that threatens EVE."

Now go wallow in your own hate and misery.

Ah, tut tut. No where did I say that I wasn't spewing hateful vitriol -- not that I was. Most carebears wouldn't know "hateful vitriol" if it slapped them in the face.

... So you're saying you can't find any other examples?

Guess I win this argument. Thanks for playing.

Inability to process information does not equal winning an argument. But sure, go ahead and think it so if it makes you feel smart :D.

Are you from the alliance 'TEARS'

Griefer tears are bestest tears.

And the best part of it, is that they inflicted it on themselves by finding the best most proficent way to gank miners in flagrant abuse of CCP's unreal specs for miner ships.

Now that miner ships will belong to New Eden and not Hello kitty Online, gankers cry out loud and flood the forums with tears... well then, HTFU and go fight someone your size for a change, crybabies!

You call those you hate whiny, self-entitled, and ignorant. But if you truly understood the words you regurgitate like the parrot whose only been taught but a few cliche words in his entire existence and you had even a fraction of its intelligence you'd realize how appropriate these insults befall on yourself and the man-children that behave like you. But alas, fact is you will never be able to understand and I cannot really hold you accountable for that inability.

Which brings me to my next point. In your reality, your brain's reality, things don't need to make sense. You build a bridge claiming that Eve has to be hard and tough, yet are here in this very thread crying, moaning, and whining that your profession, suicide ganking has become too difficult. You come here yelling and screaming like a manchild spewing insults because in your brain some how sandbox = litterbox.

I'd tell you to HTFU, or GBTW, or ask if "u mad bro?", or parrot any of the 5 or 6 other cliche statements that you keep spewing to others, but fact is your brain simply cannot process the irony in that so I'd just be wasting my time :).

And it is also the reason why you are unable to process what your boss says as fallible, mindless dribble. You share that hate. You have that much in common. Vitriolic insults toward your common enemy are no longer childish, ignorant, rants, but some how proper and edumacated truths. To you, it doesn't need to make sense. You just have to believe it does.

Also, just because your leader wears a pointy wizard hat doesn't make his hateful and spiteful vitriol magically true :).

Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!

As much as I despise the Mittani and most goons -- he is a RL complete douchebag, and his actions at FF proved this, and that's all I've got to say about that. Most goons, in turn, just make me wanna [/facedesk] -- he is bang-on right in this.

What the Hell, just because someone's a jerk-off, doesn't mean they can't occasionally be right vOv

The barge changes are to make them all worth flying. Procurers are pretty bad on TQ and Retrievers were only flown until training finished for a Hulk, which many would skip the Covetor.

Kind of similar to how they're making all the frigates worth flying. Wasn't it called "Tiericide"?

So.... when are they releasing the new edition of eve???







EvE Online: Whiner Edition

Carebear:

Shut the **** up, and get the **** out.

There: All who actually get EVE think it, and I said it. And I meant it, too.

Little detail: the graves are full of people who were right.

There's something called players turnover. The vets for many reasons have to quit EvE and new players have to join in order to keep the game rolling.

Considering there's 1 "Hardened White Protestant True EvE Player" that would pass the delicate taste of the resident judges out of 1000 new players, EvE WILL end up with an increasing amount of not politically correct "easy game" players.


So what you shall do to deal with the slowly decreasing number of acceptable "True And Only Kosher EvE Players" and the quickly increasing incoming easy game *spit in face'n'shod off* new players?

They really have learnt from this, I think/hope/pray.

Have you considered, instead of asking me to "shut the **** up" and "get the **** out", leaving and finding another game yourself?

I've been playing the game for a very long time myself (likely longer than you) and happen to like it here. And to be honest, will not be leaving because you have a problem with intolerance.

Have you considered, instead of asking me to "shut the **** up" and "get the **** out", leaving and finding another game yourself?

I've been playing the game for a very long time myself (likely longer than you) and happen to like it here. And to be honest, will not be leaving because you have a problem with intolerance.

That doesn't give you the right to force "100%" safety on the sandbox, nor yet entitle you to it.

Ooooooh, the vet-pissing contest now!

What next, compare killboards? (Even my PvP "co-main's" is quite hilariously bad, by the way.)

We who get EVE don't "force" anything on anyone, nor yet demand everyone else be funneled into what we think EVE should be, the least you could do is return the favour?

EVE will not be made "safe" or "easy" just because you feel entitled to get rewards free from risk, and the day it is, is the day it dies.

Go find another game to ruin, carebear.

You already succeeded with UO and SW: G, there are surely others you can wrap your pallid, greasy, whine-dripping tenatcles around, no? The difference in EVE is, that we who truly love and appreciate it will fight tooth and claw to prevent this.

You think you're being "griefed" now?

Sorry, but pressing F1 against anything non-NPC that doesn't give consent doesn't qualify as griefing. CCP has been very clear on what it does consider griefing, and generally takes severe action against it, as is only right and proper. (Hint: Read the EULA and/or Evelopedia.)

Non-consensual PvP/risk of same in a game whose entire core-ethos is about conflict and ruthless capitalism =/= griefing.

Next!

This thread is more evidence that we really need to have a forum option to auto block NPC Alts.

This thread is more evidence that we really need to have a forum option to auto block NPC Alts.

... And whole alliances .

I'd start by blocking ISD and CCP Alliance..

This thread is more evidence that we really need to have a forum option to auto block NPC Alts.