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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:31:00 -
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Catchy subject no? Ok this isn't going to be some mega post about outing probably the only 100% trustworthy person in eve and im sorry to anyone that wanted me to post something like that. This is a thread about lotteries.
Back in the day eve lotteries were a bit different to how they are now. You would have say 35, 40 or 45 tickets for sale, people would choose their number(s) and post them in the thread. The winner was determined by something outside of thew game but verifiable to as many people as needed (say the first ball drawn in a state lottery on a pre-set date). These were mostly fare to the customers (in that they were hard to subtly cheat with, the scam was to just do a runner with the isk at the end and not give out a prize, something you could only do once per alt). All was well.
Then Chribba came along and changed things up a bit. Using his trustworthy status in eve he started the first 100+ ticket game (I think it was actually over 9000 tickets). The game went well and someone walked away with a titan (ie, he stayed trustworthy), but the damage was done. Overnight almost all of the lotteries changed in to 100+ ticket games, many of them with no way of knowing who had bought what number or even how the results were chosen. The scam potential for this type of lottery is huge.
So why did Chribba decide to make it so the scammers had a much easier time? Does he in fact have a scamming alt? Was he paid off? Did he in fact not know what he was about to unleash on to the eve universe?? And when we people realize that they are ALL being scammed? And yes, I mad that my lottery scam didn't go so well so im trying to take you all down...
Any questions?
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:32:00 -
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trollololololol? 
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:35:00 -
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Veldspar has no rights. If they get taken, its their own damned fault.
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Zelot Blueice
XTC Cartel
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Posted - 2010.09.05 03:17:00 -
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Lana, good point. I have a thing or two to say against several other lottery runners and so called "trusty" third party services. You know who you are. I will release this information in due time.
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Spruillo
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.05 04:03:00 -
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Bah.
I won a hulk from a big lotto using Chribba's dice.
I quickly lost it shooting at wspace rats which is fine cause I dont mine anyway and it sucked at shooting stuff but I digress
Why would Chribba need to scam. Seems to be doing very well for himself cashing in on his rep already, and really I think it would be kinda anti-climactic of him to pull some stupid stunt no matter how big it was, all his work and rep blown for an entertaining 80 page thread then everybody;d just move on yawn.
My conspiracy theory is he's actually a ccp alt as part of some level of baseline stability policy
But the bottom line is simply put, someones gotta be chribba, why not chribba, and haters gonna hate..
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.09.05 06:25:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: Lana Torrin
Any questions?
Do you have a sister?
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:17:00 -
[7]
Originally by: AtheistOfFail
trollololololol?
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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.05 08:14:00 -
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While it indeed seems like lottery scammers have gotten an easier time the reason why I did not go with the earlier "let's use the bonus ball on MegaLottery Weekly on CNN" was the simple reason that the winner can be drawn when the lottery is over and thus making the whole process more streamlined.
Imagine my over 9000!! ticket lottery selling out in one day, when I estimated it to take a month - and thus saying let's wait for the bonus ball next month, long wait. And the other reason I chose to move away from that is because of the number of tickets and there really isn't any suitable method of randomly chose the winner based upon eg bonus balls and the likes, if the bonus ball ranges from 1-50, what chance do the other 51-9000 ticket holders have?
So for me it was a simple way of getting around a whole lot of problems that occur when the ticket numbers exceed 50.
As to why there was so many others following, I have no idea, it was never the intention to make the lottery thing like it is today, as even I think it has gone a little bit out of hand, but then it probably the FOTM when it comes to selling stuff. Frankly I didn't expect the lottery thing to turn to what it is today at all.
And yes it was a catchy subject, I thought you had the forum warrior status to get enough attention without using false subjects... Which brings me to the question... have you been slacking?
/c
Win an Adrestia for 10M |
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Grace Halibel
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Posted - 2010.09.05 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Grace Halibel on 05/09/2010 09:06:44
Originally by: Chribba
While it indeed seems like lottery scammers have gotten an easier time the reason why I did not go with the earlier "let's use the bonus ball on MegaLottery Weekly on CNN" was the simple reason that the winner can be drawn when the lottery is over and thus making the whole process more streamlined.
Imagine my over 9000!! ticket lottery selling out in one day, when I estimated it to take a month - and thus saying let's wait for the bonus ball next month, long wait.
That is simply too easy imo.
You can be trustworthy to an incredible level, but you are now simply abusing that trust.
Use a public way, a total transparent way of doing things. If people have to wait 1 month (or whatever) for all the tickets to be sold, it will not be such a damage to them to wait some more days for a public draw.
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Troll Bridgington
SWARTA
Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.09.05 09:54:00 -
[10]
I'm trying to eat port wine cheese and crackers, but the crackers are too weak to withstand the pressure of a knife spreading the cheese on it. The end result is that the crackers break before I can get the cheese on it, and makes a mess.
I'm a sad panda. :(
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:04:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Grace Halibel
That is simply too easy imo.
You can be trustworthy to an incredible level, but you are now simply abusing that trust.
Use a public way, a total transparent way of doing things. If people have to wait 1 month (or whatever) for all the tickets to be sold, it will not be such a damage to them to wait some more days for a public draw.
Do you find it hard talking out your arse, or does it come naturally?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Kavu
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:09:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Catchy subject no? Ok this isn't going to be some mega post about outing probably the only 100% trustworthy person in eve and im sorry to anyone that wanted me to post something like that. This is a thread about lotteries.
Back in the day eve lotteries were a bit different to how they are now. You would have say 35, 40 or 45 tickets for sale, people would choose their number(s) and post them in the thread. The winner was determined by something outside of thew game but verifiable to as many people as needed (say the first ball drawn in a state lottery on a pre-set date). These were mostly fare to the customers (in that they were hard to subtly cheat with, the scam was to just do a runner with the isk at the end and not give out a prize, something you could only do once per alt). All was well.
Then Chribba came along and changed things up a bit. Using his trustworthy status in eve he started the first 100+ ticket game (I think it was actually over 9000 tickets). The game went well and someone walked away with a titan (ie, he stayed trustworthy), but the damage was done. Overnight almost all of the lotteries changed in to 100+ ticket games, many of them with no way of knowing who had bought what number or even how the results were chosen. The scam potential for this type of lottery is huge.
So why did Chribba decide to make it so the scammers had a much easier time? Does he in fact have a scamming alt? Was he paid off? Did he in fact not know what he was about to unleash on to the eve universe?? And when we people realize that they are ALL being scammed? And yes, I mad that my lottery scam didn't go so well so im trying to take you all down...
Any questions?
Lana, you just got pawned by chribba, you did it wrong you shoulda raged about how chribba stole 10 utu's not the lotto
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kavu
you shoulda raged about how chribba stole 10 utu's not the lotto
that's what I was expecting when I clicked thread 
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Kaaii
Caldari
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:51:00 -
[14]
Hey, Remember when Lana Torrin was someone?
Yea, me neither...
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Jonny 101
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:57:00 -
[15]
I will vouch for Chribba's honesty and honour.
In fact, i'd stake my reputation as a legitimate businessman and honourable mercenary on it.
Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist |
King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.09.05 12:22:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Jonny 101
I will vouch for Chribba's honesty and honour.
In fact, i'd stake my reputation as a legitimate businessman and honourable mercenary on it.
He's back. 
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Scream for me. I'll die for you. # ...and the man with the smile has something else planned. # |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.05 12:42:00 -
[17]
Originally by: King Gore
Originally by: Jonny 101
I will vouch for Chribba's honesty and honour.
In fact, i'd stake my reputation as a legitimate businessman and honourable mercenary on it.
He's back.
My thought exactly lol, now let's see what threads the future holds 
Win an Adrestia for 10M |
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.09.05 15:19:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
(I think it was actually over 9000 tickets). The game
I see what you did there. 
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OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.05 15:36:00 -
[19]
Where'd you get your clothes... from the... toilet store?
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XrayZII
AVE EVE
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Posted - 2010.09.05 18:05:00 -
[20]
*yawn* 
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.05 18:41:00 -
[21]
I think the blame lies in more places than chribba.
-T'amber
[SoE:X]
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 18:51:00 -
[22]
Originally by: T'Amber
I think the blame lies in more places than chribba.
-T'amber
Who's Chribba? do you know?
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Xenuria
Gallente
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2010.09.05 18:56:00 -
[23]
I am not saying chribba is a habitual scammer or has ever even intentionally scammed or wronged anybody..
I am however saying that he has yet to give me the collateral to the 10 utus. So until he makes good on that I am not going to be useing him or any third party for that matter.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.05 20:17:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
So why did Chribba decide to make it so the scammers had a much easier time? Does he in fact have a scamming alt? Was he paid off? Did he in fact not know what he was about to unleash on to the eve universe?? And when we people realize that they are ALL being scammed? And yes, I mad that my lottery scam didn't go so well so im trying to take you all down...
Any questions?
Do you think things through at all? I mean, except stating the obvious (to all normal persons at least), this is natural behavior. Chribba made something he though was interesting, other people got greedy. ALL lotteries are basically scams, look into it.
Suck it up and try harder for your next scam, this is weak.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.06 00:57:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Chribba
And yes it was a catchy subject, I thought you had the forum warrior status to get enough attention without using false subjects... Which brings me to the question... have you been slacking?
I do believe I got told.....
Replying to threads without reading them since 2008 |
uwai223
The Darkness Within
Death Rhubarb
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Posted - 2010.09.06 01:04:00 -
[26]
oh no
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Hugs and kisses! XOXO
We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democrac |
Adophnil
Dark Reality Unified
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Posted - 2010.09.06 03:18:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Chribba
And yes it was a catchy subject, I thought you had the forum warrior status to get enough attention without using false subjects... Which brings me to the question... have you been slacking?
I do believe I got told.....
I now know more than ever before why Veldspar fears Chribba...he's vicious.
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Veturia
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Posted - 2010.09.06 05:31:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Veturia on 06/09/2010 05:31:18
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.06 05:33:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Kaaii
Hey, Remember when Lana Torrin was someone?
Yea, me neither...
Hey, remember when people actually cared about what you think?
Actually, now that I think about it, I've never seen evidence that you do have coherent thoughts.
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Metal Michelle
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.09.06 05:56:00 -
[30]
Obviously the lotteries that Chribba is involved with are not as ethical as the ones you might be acquainted with In Real Life. You know, the ones that claim to fund schools, or public health, or trustworthy government- easily proven, concrete goals that we can all get behind.
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.06 06:18:00 -
[31]
Originally by: T'Amber
I think the blame lies in more places than chribba.
I missed the relevant quote with this comment and this statement was inregards to all the lottos all over the place, and who was to blame for them.
If you look at the majority of lottos they are all obviously derived from Chribba, Grendell and Mine.
Although I like stalking Chribba, mine are actually based off Torn Souls / BIG and this is the reason why mine are usually non-profit, the reason for my 10k+ tickets is because of Chribba tho :)
Regarding the tools for lottos made by Chribba, although I'm sure he had them planned anyway - I annoying him until he made the Dice tool, as coupled with a secure 3rd party ticket tracking site it makes lottos pretty hard, if not impossible
to scam.
On another note, I can't wait for CCP to make the new sub-forum just for lottos, maybe then we can have our sell forums back.
-T'amber
[SoE:X]
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.09.06 08:14:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 06/09/2010 08:15:44
lotteries are all scam as long as the ticket number pick is not transparent and bound to public events (like real lotto numbers).
"I use this SQL picking a random number blablablablaaaaaaa", I surprised there are that many people believing such crap, NOONE can ever verify.
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Paknac Queltel
Coffee Muggers
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Posted - 2010.09.06 08:35:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Robert Caldera
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 06/09/2010 08:15:44
lotteries are all scam as long as the ticket number pick is not transparent and bound to public events (like real lotto numbers).
"I use this SQL picking a random number blablablablaaaaaaa", I surprised there are that many people believing such crap, NOONE can ever verify.
Yes, you can. The process, however, would be illegal in any country with computer crime laws. 
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Paknac Queltel
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.09.06 10:32:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 06/09/2010 10:32:24
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Kaaii
Hey, Remember when Lana Torrin was someone?
Yea, me neither...
Hey, remember when people actually cared about what you think?
Actually, now that I think about it, I've never seen evidence that you do have coherent thoughts.
Hey, remember when PL had Fountain?
Me neither.
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OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.06 10:37:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 06/09/2010 10:32:24
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Kaaii
Hey, Remember when Lana Torrin was someone?
Yea, me neither...
Hey, remember when people actually cared about what you think?
Actually, now that I think about it, I've never seen evidence that you do have coherent thoughts.
Hey, remember when PL had Fountain?
Me neither.
Hey, remember when you had something relevant to say in a thread?
Me neither.
~
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.06 10:42:00 -
[36]
Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 06/09/2010 10:32:24
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Kaaii
Hey, Remember when Lana Torrin was someone?
Yea, me neither...
Hey, remember when people actually cared about what you think?
Actually, now that I think about it, I've never seen evidence that you do have coherent thoughts.
Hey, remember when PL had Fountain?
Me neither.
Hey, remember when you had something relevant to say in a thread?
Me neither.
Hey remember when I was important?
Me neither.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Teschan
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.09.06 11:26:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Xenuria
I am not saying chribba is a habitual scammer or has ever even intentionally scammed or wronged anybody..
I am however saying that he has yet to give me the collateral to the 10 utus. So until he makes good on that I am not going to be useing him or any third party for that matter.
Sigh, no ones buying it Xenuria, go attention ***** somewhere else, Preferably back to WoW.
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2010.09.06 11:27:00 -
[38]
Buy the Ticket, take the Ride!
HST
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.07 03:42:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Hey, remember when PL had Fountain?
Me neither.
I'm sure BRUCE will be pleased to learn of this new development.
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Amanda Eidolo
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 05:18:00 -
[40]
so i am putting address sticker on 2000 envelopes right and i come to this sticker sheet that has six blank stickers on it and i think to myself it would be awesome if i wrote monitor on them and then put them on my monitor
so i did now i have six stickers on my monitor
that is so ****ing cool
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Chajitsoyo
Gallente
Sanford Space Salvage
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Posted - 2010.09.07 05:20:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Amanda Eidolo
so i am putting address sticker on 2000 envelopes right and i come to this sticker sheet that has six blank stickers on it and i think to myself it would be awesome if i wrote monitor on them and then put them on my monitor
so i did now i have six stickers on my monitor
that is so ****ing cool
What size stickers are they? I so want to try this!!
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Amanda Eidolo
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 05:24:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Chajitsoyo
Originally by: Amanda Eidolo
so i am putting address sticker on 2000 envelopes right and i come to this sticker sheet that has six blank stickers on it and i think to myself it would be awesome if i wrote monitor on them and then put them on my monitor
so i did now i have six stickers on my monitor
that is so ****ing cool
What size stickers are they? I so want to try this!!
avery L7158
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Paknac Queltel
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.09.07 05:30:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Amanda Eidolo
so i am putting address sticker on 2000 envelopes right and i come to this sticker sheet that has six blank stickers on it and i think to myself it would be awesome if i wrote monitor on them and then put them on my monitor
so i did now i have six stickers on my monitor
that is so ****ing cool
One of our hardware suppliers this odd urge to put their logo on everything they ship to us. We now have a monitor absolutely covered with the damn sticky logo badges.
Shit is so cash.
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Paknac Queltel
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.07 05:36:00 -
[44]
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day. 
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Himnos Altar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.07 06:23:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Zeba
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day.
And on that day, Chribba will scam the EVE servers from CCP themselves.
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Paknac Queltel
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:00:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zeba
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day.
It's be the first sign of the EVEpocalypse.
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Paknac Queltel
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2010.09.07 11:12:00 -
[47]
This is EVE. Everybody, including Chribba, is out to get you.
Though he's mostly interested in getting veldspar...he WILL use you to get more of it.
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Stafen
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:41:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Chribba
While it indeed seems like lottery scammers have gotten an easier time the reason why I did not go with the earlier "let's use the bonus ball on MegaLottery Weekly on CNN" was the simple reason that the winner can be drawn when the lottery is over and thus making the whole process more streamlined.
But you can just delay the draw by a day by saying when all the tickets are bought; "We will use the next available lottery drawing which will be on .... which is in a day's time"
(There must be a public lottery drawing some where in the world almost daily)
Originally by: Chribba
So for me it was a simple way of getting around a whole lot of problems that occur when the ticket numbers exceed 50.
Could you not just publish a function at the start of the lottery which combines the 5 lottery balls into a number in the required range?
Like use the first two balls to get a number from 1 to 2500 via = ballone + 50 * (balltwo-1)
Some don't publish ball drawing order, but can work around that by combining all the drawn balls together with a formula (I'm sure the clever EVE community can develop one)
Just wondering if the OP would like this better.
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Stafen
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:48:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Stafen
Like use the first two balls to get a number from 1 to 2500 via = ballone + 50 * (balltwo-1)
Before I get flamed, this should not be used as the first ball cannot be picked again, so some number can never be hit with this formula.
There is a formula which can convert the drawn balls to a uniformity distributed random number, in the range 1 to the number given by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:52:00 -
[50]
Alot of people keep thinking Chribba will scam if the right amount of isk passes infront of him. Thats pure horse ****. The man will only scam when he is in the mind set for it. Thats it. Whatever triggers that i hope i never see. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:20:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2010 15:21:46
Originally by: Stafen
But you can just delay the draw by a day by saying when all the tickets are bought; "We will use the next available lottery drawing which will be on .... which is in a day's time"
right
Originally by: Stafen
Originally by: Stafen
Like use the first two balls to get a number from 1 to 2500 via = ballone + 50 * (balltwo-1)
Before I get flamed, this should not be used as the first ball cannot be picked again, so some number can never be hit with this formula.
There is a formula which can convert the drawn balls to a uniformity distributed random number, in the range 1 to the number given by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination
generating ticket numbers according to the lottery pattern would be perfectly fine.
For example, 2 concatenated numbers from 01 till 49, the number of combinations would be enough to cover about 2500 tickets. That simple. If not, take 3 numbers from 01 till 49 for the coverage of 117k tickets.
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oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:43:00 -
[52]
Edited by: oil on 07/09/2010 15:44:00
i once participated in a lottery for a freighter. i think that was the only time in my 7 years that i fell for a scam.
i dont believe any lottery is legitimate. except when ticket numbers and corresponding owners are known publicly and the draw related to rl events.
if thats not the case nobody can veryfy the drawing and even if the drawing follows the rules, it can be repeated til the right number hits. i wouldnt trust any lottery thats run by not veryfiable methods. be the lottery owner chribba or anybody else. u are probably all getting scammed big time.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:51:00 -
[53]
Originally by: oil
i dont believe any lottery is legitimate. except when ticket numbers and corresponding owners are known publicly and the draw related to rl events.
if thats not the case nobody can veryfy the drawing and even if the drawing follows the rules, it can be repeated til the right number hits. i wouldnt trust any lottery thats run by not veryfiable methods. be the lottery owner chribba or anybody else. u are probably all getting scammed big time.
exactly this
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Spruillo
Gallente
Yawn another Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.07 16:34:00 -
[54]
Lets have Lana pull the numbers randomly out her ass just like her threads.
lotteries are fine just like losec
/thread
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Bernard Schuyler
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Posted - 2010.09.07 18:44:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Stafen
But you can just delay the draw by a day by saying when all the tickets are bought; "We will use the next available lottery drawing which will be on .... which is in a day's time"
(There must be a public lottery drawing some where in the world almost daily)
Then when he changed the day or particular lottery being used as the standard a lottery manager would be accused of changing the rules of the game mid stream. There is no satisfying some people :-p
Lotteries in EVE is the same as everywhere... The poor can spend some money in the hopes that they'll get something for nothing, and most of the time be disappointed.
If people really care that much, go and protest over in the forum for game change suggestions and have CCP add a function in game to generate a random number.
When I read the sell orders forum choked with lotteries I always assume it is people who want to sell a ship over market value but don't care to put in the work to find a single buyer :-p
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Xereyn
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Posted - 2010.09.08 01:23:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Alot of people keep thinking Chribba will scam if the right amount of isk passes infront of him. Thats pure horse ****. The man will only scam when he is in the mind set for it. Thats it. Whatever triggers that i hope i never see.
I think we're safe so long as nobody ever decides to use veldspar for collateral.
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Taedrin
Gallente
White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.08 01:34:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Zeba
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day.
Chribba could start and IPO and simply state that the purpose of the IPO was to scam everyone, and everyone would STILL invest in it, simply for the sake of it.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.08 01:42:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Zeba
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day.
Chribba could start and IPO and simply state that the purpose of the IPO was to scam everyone, and everyone would STILL invest in it, simply for the sake of it.
True. Don't get me or Chribba wrong. I seriously doubt he will be pulling the ultimate scam until its a given that eve is dying and he is looking to convert all that veld into rl isk.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.08 02:20:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Zeba
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day.
Chribba could start and IPO and simply state that the purpose of the IPO was to scam everyone, and everyone would STILL invest in it, simply for the sake of it.
True. Don't get me or Chribba wrong. I seriously doubt he will be pulling the ultimate scam until its a given that eve is dying and he is looking to convert all that veld into rl isk.
I doubt he would even do it then... There are nice people and nasty people in this game. Most famous people are nasty as it takes a lot of dedication to be nice and famous.. You work the rest out.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.08 02:30:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Zeba
Chribba is the biggest scam in the game just waiting to happen. And it will happen one day.
Chribba could start and IPO and simply state that the purpose of the IPO was to scam everyone, and everyone would STILL invest in it, simply for the sake of it.
True. Don't get me or Chribba wrong. I seriously doubt he will be pulling the ultimate scam until its a given that eve is dying and he is looking to convert all that veld into rl isk.
I doubt he would even do it then... There are nice people and nasty people in this game. Most famous people are nasty as it takes a lot of dedication to be nice and famous.. You work the rest out.
Pfffft.. It will happen. Eventually.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.08 02:46:00 -
[61]
Sniper!
--
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Em'phasis
Amarr
Farting like Fury
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Posted - 2010.09.08 03:13:00 -
[62]
I thought the simple arithmetic version runs along the lines of:
idiot + isk = easily parted.
First I was huh, then I was whaa, now I am just meh. |
Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 06:16:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Any questions?
Do you have a sister?
Still no answer. The lack of sister makes Misanth go something something..
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I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.08 06:26:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Any questions?
Do you have a sister?
Still no answer. The lack of sister makes Misanth go something something..
Yeah but shes not as hot as me and her boobs aren't as big. We used to sit around and compare them when we were younger before we had the pillow fights. We also arent sharing boyfriends any more as she has horrible taste in men and always picks the loosers.
What you wanted to hear right?
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Blaze Black
Gallente
BLAZELOTTERY Holding
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Posted - 2010.09.08 09:00:00 -
[65]
I think it's time to do BLAZELOTTERY.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.09.08 09:23:00 -
[66]
just do what I do. don't buy any tickets to any lotteries.
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"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
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Mercie Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.08 11:39:00 -
[67]
Maybe we can ask ccp for something similar to how WoW does random rolls. It would show in local, or in a dedicated channel "Mercie Orion rolled a random number between 1-10000, the dice landed on number 1234" with a command prompt like /random 10000
Then the person holding the lotto can announce when the dice roll is going to happen, and in what system or in what channel. So when the dice is rolled IN GAME, it tells you what the range of numbers were, and there can always be enough people present to verify that the dice was only rolled one time giving a random number for the ticket and enough people are present during the dice roll to verify what number it landed on.
That would be almost scam proof other then just taking the money and not giving a reward at all, which could still happen, but would put an end to people awarding the prize to friends or alts and CLAIMING it was random. I'm not sure how much work it would take to add that to the game but it'd be worth a look considering how many people are trying to run lotto's these days.
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Taedrin
Gallente
White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.08 12:13:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Mercie Orion
Maybe we can ask ccp for something similar to how WoW does random rolls. It would show in local, or in a dedicated channel "Mercie Orion rolled a random number between 1-10000, the dice landed on number 1234" with a command prompt like /random 10000
Then the person holding the lotto can announce when the dice roll is going to happen, and in what system or in what channel. So when the dice is rolled IN GAME, it tells you what the range of numbers were, and there can always be enough people present to verify that the dice was only rolled one time giving a random number for the ticket and enough people are present during the dice roll to verify what number it landed on.
That would be almost scam proof other then just taking the money and not giving a reward at all, which could still happen, but would put an end to people awarding the prize to friends or alts and CLAIMING it was random. I'm not sure how much work it would take to add that to the game but it'd be worth a look considering how many people are trying to run lotto's these days.
Just do a 560211! This way if you don't win, all you have to do is refresh the page over and over again until you win!
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 16:54:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Any questions?
Do you have a sister?
Still no answer. The lack of sister makes Misanth go something something..
Yeah but shes not as hot as me and her boobs aren't as big. We used to sit around and compare them when we were younger before we had the pillow fights. We also arent sharing boyfriends any more as she has horrible taste in men and always picks the loosers.
What you wanted to hear right?
I prefer medium to small-sized boobs, and girls that pick me tend to grab the loser by default..
Is that what you wanted to hear? 
..but yeah, I liked the 'comparing boobs' and 'pillowfight' parts. 
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I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
Valhalla Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.08 17:18:00 -
[70]
WHAT TEH ****??
also sex
__________________
-Jarik Utoni,
--Cov Ops Pilot
---T2 Frigate Specialist
d(^.^)b
The Story of Jarik Utoni |
Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 17:19:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jarik Utoni
WHAT TEH ****??
also sex
I blame her sister.
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I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
Valhalla Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.08 17:28:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Jarik Utoni
WHAT TEH ****??
also sex
I blame her sister.
I blame those GODDAMNED AMARRIAN SLAVERS!!!
and God for supporting them
__________________
-Jarik Utoni,
--Cov Ops Pilot
---T2 Frigate Specialist
d(^.^)b
The Story of Jarik Utoni |
Aiwha
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.08 17:55:00 -
[73]
This plus This equals a fair lottery?
I like me. |
Hegbard
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Posted - 2010.09.08 19:43:00 -
[74]
A decent pseudorandom number generator seeded with some noisy untamperable source like the opening of some stock exchange index, noon temperature in some place, solar flux index, number of daily visitors to a web page that publishes those numbers, etc.
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Petrov Kreigt
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2010.09.12 12:24:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Petrov Kreigt on 12/09/2010 12:26:25
Personally i think Chribba is an honest person
and if anyone were to steal the lotto, it would be HomigoshzUR
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:23:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Petrov Kreigt
Edited by: Petrov Kreigt on 12/09/2010 12:26:25
Personally i think Chribba is an honest person
and if anyone were to steal the lotto, it would be HomigoshzUR
You only read the title didn't you.
Replying to threads without reading them since 2008 |
Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
The Price of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.09.13 05:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
You only read the title didn't you.
You only wrote it to lure people in didn't you.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.13 05:21:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: Lana Torrin
You only read the title didn't you.
You only wrote it to lure people in didn't you.
Glad you correctly interpreted the point of the first paragraph.
Replying to threads without reading them since 2008 |
Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
The Price of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.09.13 06:52:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: Lana Torrin
You only read the title didn't you.
You only wrote it to lure people in didn't you.
Glad you correctly interpreted the point of the first paragraph.
WHAT DO I WIN?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.13 07:57:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: Lana Torrin
You only read the title didn't you.
You only wrote it to lure people in didn't you.
Glad you correctly interpreted the point of the first paragraph.
WHAT DO I WIN?
You passed the Skools minimum IQ test. You may now apply and will be accepted.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.09.13 08:08:00 -
[81]
Edited by: AstarothPrime on 13/09/2010 08:10:50
Originally by: Aiwha
This plus This equals a fair lottery?
Wrong...
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6tw46MPj4
Plus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation
Equals fair lottery.
Only thing I can trust, plus everyone has predefined public ticket numbers.
Regards
I.
P.S.
Ofc it isnt really that specific lottery (IDK even which one is it that i linked) - but you get my point - you know - blower number selection stuff etc
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.13 08:15:00 -
[82]
Originally by: AstarothPrime
Edited by: AstarothPrime on 13/09/2010 08:10:50
Originally by: Aiwha
This plus This equals a fair lottery?
Wrong...
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6tw46MPj4
Plus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation
Equals fair lottery.
Only thing I can trust, plus everyone has predefined public ticket numbers.
Regards
I.
P.S.
Ofc it isnt really that specific lottery (IDK even which one is it that i linked) - but you get my point - you know - blower number selection stuff etc
OMG.. I think he got it.... He truly got it....
Did he get it?? I think he did!
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
The Price of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.09.13 08:50:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
WHAT DO I WIN?
You passed the Skools minimum IQ test. You may now apply and will be accepted.
\o/
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Dizzy Lizzie
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Posted - 2010.09.13 14:49:00 -
[84]
I like this OP. All the "secure" lotteries are made on "trust" many argue Chribba is 100% trustable but how does anyone actually verify this?
Chribba could easily pick a number and preset it to someone he likes or set it to one of his alts.
In a game where big names run away with trillions of isk, what's to stop Chribba from waking up one day and saying "SCREW YOU VELDSPAR HERE I RAGE QUIT AND ROB EVERYONE IN A MEGA triple titan draw".
Not saying he would but he could if he wanted to or maybe he already did... how would you know for sure? do you live in his head?
FYI only using Chribba as an example :) nothing against him.
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tradefrau
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Posted - 2010.10.13 09:13:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Spruillo
Bah.
Why would Chribba need to scam.
Better ask: Why would any one need to scam?
Its all about experience not about isk [well, not only about isk]
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128th ABC123
Solar Dynasty
Solar Coalition
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Posted - 2010.10.13 09:53:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Any questions?
Do you have a sister?
Id slap her around everytime you post another ****ty post. At the rate you are going she will be out of teeth by the end of the week. Just sayin.
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McPod
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:47:00 -
[87]
lotteries are a form of gambling. the people who operate them are most likely devoid of any morals. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:14:00 -
[88]
Confirming Chribba scammed me out of all my Veldspar.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.10.14 12:14:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Catchy subject no? Ok this isn't going to be some mega post about outing probably the only 100% trustworthy person in eve and im sorry to anyone that wanted me to post something like that. This is a thread about lotteries.
Back in the day eve lotteries were a bit different to how they are now. You would have say 35, 40 or 45 tickets for sale, people would choose their number(s) and post them in the thread. The winner was determined by something outside of thew game but verifiable to as many people as needed (say the first ball drawn in a state lottery on a pre-set date). These were mostly fare to the customers (in that they were hard to subtly cheat with, the scam was to just do a runner with the isk at the end and not give out a prize, something you could only do once per alt). All was well.
Then Chribba came along and changed things up a bit. Using his trustworthy status in eve he started the first 100+ ticket game (I think it was actually over 9000 tickets). The game went well and someone walked away with a titan (ie, he stayed trustworthy), but the damage was done. Overnight almost all of the lotteries changed in to 100+ ticket games, many of them with no way of knowing who had bought what number or even how the results were chosen. The scam potential for this type of lottery is huge.
So why did Chribba decide to make it so the scammers had a much easier time? Does he in fact have a scamming alt? Was he paid off? Did he in fact not know what he was about to unleash on to the eve universe?? And when we people realize that they are ALL being scammed? And yes, I mad that my lottery scam didn't go so well so im trying to take you all down...
Any questions?
Nobody is 100% trustworthy.
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