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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.14 07:48:00 -
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anyone who considers themselves to be any better or smarter than the rest of the community because they have "figured out blobs win this game" are either bat**** insane or misguided.
the issue has and never will have anything to do with winning eve.
as a video game the priority of the developers (and the community - irony) to maintain a relatively fun environment.
the issue with large scale warefare is that the novelty of it wears of rapidly. sure eve is unique in that how many other games give you an instance where 4000 other people are fighting the same battle, but lets face it these battles are not playable and the influence of individual players on them is negligable.
im not saying nor is anyone else i believe saying REMOVE BLOB WAREFARE! i think the stance people are and should be taking is "yo lets not encourage blob warefare any more than it already is by human nature" these make belief added bonuses to naping gigantic coalitions only make things far worse in day to day gameplay and when wars kick up(and half of eve turns up to the same system to watch a loading screen).
as a game this should not be exclusively trying to mimic rl or provide insentives for people to waste their lives doing things they dispise (see seiging towers etc)
it should promote an environment where individual players have a REAL AND SUBSTANTIAL INFLUENCE ON THE GAME, preferably more regularly than they do now. it should also promote a style of play that the servers will be able to handle and sustain with growth.
above all it should promote a style of play which is fun.
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.14 09:12:00 -
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finnagain zero will never have any significant influence on 0.0 (nor will he likely have a significant impact on any fleet engagement he takes part in), he also finds it remarkable to claim that watching loading screens and crashing out could be called "not fun".
hes ok with this though... because he has adapted! now the rest of us need to adapt (aka play a boring broken style) rather than remind ccp that they have the keys to this game and that it is indeed a game.
good fight.
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Minigin
Cosmic Fusion
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Posted - 2010.11.14 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 14/11/2010 19:19:54
let me ask you two questions first of which the answers i already know, then i will butcher the consistant and ridiculous thought pattern you have been using to seek to (not defend your own view or galvanize this game into a better one - which should be why you are posting on this forum - but instead to protect your own agenda)
1. do you have any significant impact on the game you play? (would your coalition be any different AT ALL without you?)
2. what do you have fun doing in this game? (aside from mistaken feelings of pride)
the problem with your reasoning finnagain is and always has been that you jump to conclusions far to quickly and seek to use invalid conclusions to support your agenda. in threads gone past your entire argument has been hinged on other people trolling you, being crybabbies to ccp or having serious mental illnesses. now these all may have negative connotations to you, but none of these actually disprove a well reasoned argument. simply restating them over and over will never change that.
in this post you follow some of your previous processes, a mistake MANY people on the internet make, they believe the use of caps is "screaming", i wonder if you really are that convinsed that whenever someone types in caps they are sitting at their computer with veins popping at their heads yelling at you... surely this could not just be EMPHASIS OF AN IMPORTANT POINT! you then seek to use your invalid conclusion of this to spin negative connotations (again not to do any real debate - just to discredit).
ps if i had a dollar of every time you said "yet again" before leading into something i have explained about a dozen times and you keep using the same ridiculous argument for... i would have almost 50 bucks by now.
one more time for the boat man i spose... I KNOW YOU ARNT HAVING FUN BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN YOU! that is to say, i have been in the nc and i still have alts in the nc, so i hear you when you are complaining about the game, i hear you when you talk **** about ccp, i hear you threaten to quit the game if things dont improve.
to me... it sounds like you guys are having loads of fun, so when i come here and say "yo this isnt fun" and am met but such fierce resistance that you are... i can totally understand why.
pss. the fact that your only real examples of changing the game are through what has been heralded by popular thought as the most ******ed game mechanic in existance (insta disband of alliances at directors hands) makes me more worried that you really do want the game to be at a stage where the only changes can occur via such ridiculous means.
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Minigin
Cosmic Fusion
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Posted - 2010.11.14 20:49:00 -
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btw the fact that so many of the csms got elected on promisses of looking into "blob warefare" (coalition issues/sov issues), i think its fair to say that this isnt a problem that a meer handfull of people are having.
the real question i am here to ask isnt "if this is a problem" because it clearly is, but how csm plans to address this issue, or if they simply plan to let ccp ignore them and the playerbase that elected them.
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.15 04:15:00 -
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yes i hear having a good fc in a 2000 vs 1000 man fleet through lag is a great example of people making a difference in eve.
could you stop being so ridiculous and trying to argue single facts rather than a case?
you have to be the dumbest person alive to think that "adapt or die" slogan is remotely applicable to joining coalitions... it would be far more applicable if coalitions are nerfed.
and despite claiming i have no proof that people arnt having fun i have provided you with far more proof than what you have been providing for them having fun. they dont have a great choice atm... they can be bored and "win" or can have slightly more fun and never have the ability to break into 0.0...
lots of people go for the former.
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.15 06:24:00 -
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.15 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 15/11/2010 08:50:56
a second ago you were arguing that the game is fine because many people dont have an issue with it... now you are arguing that many people having an issue with it is just a "bandwagon fallacy"?
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.15 12:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
I think you're the one ignoring logic here Finn. The logic is that this is a video game, and at the end of the day the objective is to have fun. If 80% of the player base are saying something needs to be fixed, then obviously logic would dictate that it is not a fun mechanic.
From a practical business standpoint, this is not quite true. If, for example, the 20% who love committing blobbery would all quit the game if the blobs were destroyed, but the 80% who hate blobs (and want them fixed) would still play even if they were retained, the rational game design team would keep the blobs. It's not just numbers; intensity factors in as well.
Note that I campaigned in part on introducing game design changes that would break up or highly modify blobs, but not to attack blobs per-se (though I personally don't like that kind of fleet experience), but because I felt it was needed to fight lag. Still do, btw...
spineless like the rest of csm thus far... you get to iceland realise ccp are people rather than things on the internet and you go soft.
i dont feel sorry for you, you should have put your name in so that you can advocate for your beliefs and for those who voted you in. if this was ever more than a free trip to iceland for you, step up and do more. no one cares if ccp ignores you, but you practically arnt trying atm. go do something radical like get all the csms together and refuse to meet again until you are taken seriously, cause some drama cause some scandal, make ccp listen.
until we see you trying you will get no easy relief for "hey guys im for you... but ccp wont listen anyway".
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.16 22:30:00 -
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im not saying your ideas are wrong or right, which they may or may not be, im saying you are acting as if ccp has a leash around your neck...
remember they have far more to fear of you than you do of them.
so do what you need to do and get the things you want looked at looked at.
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.18 07:36:00 -
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finnagain, nothing you say ever has any relevance to the real issues at hand. your like one massive train derailment stuck on repeat.
csm should be imo an anonymous vote, that is to say csms put in proposals and what they stand for without being identified by ticker or name.
that way people can really vote on what they want as opposed to being coersed or hoodwinked into voting for "their friends".
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Minigin
Cosmic Fusion
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Posted - 2010.11.19 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Grunp Trek
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Originally by: Grunp Trek
Perhaps it's best if certain parties in this thread took a break and stopped accusing each other of lying
I'd be happy to take a break from pointing out that other posters are lying if they'd stop lying. I hardly think it's unreasonable if, when someone lies and invents something that I never said, that I point out that I didn't actually say it.
While I respect where you are coming from, I'm not at all impressed that you pick peoples posts apart and respond to small sections that you want to and and less impressed again that you've done the same to my response that was seeking to diffuse the bickering in this thread.
Arguing about whether or not minigin is lying has so far led to you saying he is, and him saying he isn't. There's very little ground to be won here. What I said was that instead of arguing about whether someone is lying we should be talking about how we can make EVE a better, more interesting game. There's nothing gained by constantly attacking other players when the aim of this thread was to bring to the attention of the CSM that people voted for the current CSM because of their priorities, and amongst those priorities was addressing the perceived imbalance or lack of interesting gameplay in "blob warfare".
I like good thread derails as much as the next person, but I'd wager this one has gone on long enough and you start look foolish for continuing it.
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Minigin
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Posted - 2010.11.19 22:44:00 -
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the reason you arnt finding a definition for blobbing is because its the wrong word... you moron.
when people refer to "blob warfare" they are insinuating things like coalition warfare, supercapital build rates, sov mechanics, server issues, pos bashing etc.
in a nutshell "blobbing" is a symptom of the things in this game that enforce the nature of cramming as many people into the same system as possible.
things which in general will require you to have a large bluelist and "cta" the hell out of people with threats of "you will be kicked if you dont come" (btw love the fun your having playing this game)
it seems that everyone but you understands why "blobbing" is an undefined term, because it is a reference to a lot of things, which we have been discussing and trying to find solutions to.
if you are either incapable of following this discussion, or simply want to derail it for your own rather blatant agenda, then i would say kindly **** off.
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