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Hey Vipe	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:06:00 - [1] Hola, I am less than a day from having Gallente Cruiser 5, and was looking forward to upgrading my ratting ship from a Raven to an Ishtar. I heard that the Ishtar tanks better, and does more damage than the Raven. Apparently it can clear high end anomalies much faster than a Raven. I also heard that the Ishtar sucks compared to the Raven, and that it will take too long to do sanctums. So, who is sniffing glue? The people that think the Ishtar sucks, or the people that say it's good?
Kephael Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:13:00 - [2] The ishtar is good for semi-afking them using t2 sentries.
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:17:00 - [3] An Ishtar with a T2 setup can tank over 1300dps against Guri and still put out 500+ DPS. The tank can be inceased to over 2200. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Hey Vipe	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:19:00 - [4] That's pretty cool. I'll be using T2 sentries along with sentry damage rigs. Does the ishtar put out the damage to get these anomalies done in good time?
Footoo Rama Gallente Cast-a-Ways.	Posted - 2010.09.08 19:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Hey Vipe That's pretty cool. I'll be using T2 sentries along with sentry damage rigs. Does the ishtar put out the damage to get these anomalies done in good time? If you are running vs Gurista then yes. My fit which is easily found can pull over 45-60 million isk an hour in gurista sanctums/havens. The only ship that is faster is a Tengu which will cost you about 10x the isk after fitting. While the Ishtar looks like it is down on DPS with only 550 dps, the speed at which it pops small hulls at range makes complete time very fast. Warp to 50 orbit your wardens and watch everything but elite cruisers melt. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Donde Esta	Posted - 2010.09.08 19:37:00 - [6] Mind posting that fit?
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.08 20:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Footoo Rama Originally by: Hey Vipe That's pretty cool. I'll be using T2 sentries along with sentry damage rigs. Does the ishtar put out the damage to get these anomalies done in good time? If you are running vs Gurista then yes. My fit which is easily found can pull over 45-60 million isk an hour in gurista sanctums/havens. The only ship that is faster is a Tengu which will cost you about 10x the isk after fitting. While the Ishtar looks like it is down on DPS with only 550 dps, the speed at which it pops small hulls at range makes complete time very fast. Warp to 50 orbit your wardens and watch everything but elite cruisers melt. My Tengu cost 600 Mil and I made 65 Mil as an average Spitting out 639 DPS. Plus it doesnt matter the cast since you dont plan on using it. Semi AFK is dangerous. But other than that If you get caught in a Tengu ratting you are dumb or not paying attention, hell even a Black Ops gang shows enemys come in and the tengu aligns in 6 Secs. Istar is Great but alot slower than a CNR Raven/Tengu -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Opertone Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.08 21:04:00 - [8] it's nearly perfect - I fly one My fit is simple, sentry drones, omni tracking links x3, afterburner, sensor booster/target painter. Sentry drone damage rigs, t1 cloak, 2 hardeners, 1600 mm plate, 1 DC II, one deadspace c-type repper (small). WIth ishtars tiny signature and 92 90 resists it becomes easy to withstand the heaviest punishment from Guristas, but what makes it ideal is the fact that sentries can take a lot of damage and ignore jamming, while shooting rats between 10-65 kms. They are equally good vs large and small rats with tech 2 resists. What would be even better is an ISHTAR with assigned fighters.
RagnarRox	Posted - 2010.09.08 21:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Opertone it's nearly perfect - I fly one My fit is simple, sentry drones, omni tracking links x3, afterburner, sensor booster/target painter. Sentry drone damage rigs, t1 cloak, 2 hardeners, 1600 mm plate, 1 DC II, one deadspace c-type repper (small). WIth ishtars tiny signature and 92 90 resists it becomes easy to withstand the heaviest punishment from Guristas, but what makes it ideal is the fact that sentries can take a lot of damage and ignore jamming, while shooting rats between 10-65 kms. They are equally good vs large and small rats with tech 2 resists. What would be even better is an ISHTAR with assigned fighters. Assigned fighters kills your sentry advantage, The Best Assigned Gurista Killer is the Tengu Bar none in the entire Game, as it has no drones it doesnt rely at all on Drones for there DMg so there Dmg is in the 600`s add 5 Fighters and you get 1100 DPS. Actually i think assigning fighters to Ishtar would lessen there Mission times. Take what you Can, when you can.
Footoo Rama Gallente Cast-a-Ways.	Posted - 2010.09.09 04:56:00 - [10] Edited by: Footoo Rama on 09/09/2010 04:57:46 Kail, you have seen my Ishtar play with tengu's and even yours you but nugget... 550 dps to 60km and over 400 to 90km, instant and ignores jamming... I am just as fast if not faster as I can one shot everything under a BC/Elite cruiser... there is a higher dps tengu build that is really expensive that is around 900dps to about 60km if I remember right. On paper the CNR looks better, in actuality the Ishtar runs them faster as it can kill the smaller hulls alot faster and does not have missile transit time issues. You really spend alot less time on target with an ishtar as everything pretty much just pops, the missile boats have flight time. Here is my build for the solo ishtar. The sebo is to boost range, just set an orbit on your sentries and one shot everything at range, I liek warping to 70km with my ishtar in havens/sanctums. You can swap the eanmII for a DC II for better ehp at the minor expense of the tanking. Watch out for elite cruisers they are a PITA for sentry boats. Both builds need hac 5, but with hac4 you loose the hammerheads, or on the second build you could argue to drop the wardens although I would not. You should get hac4 it is not to long a train. [Ishtar, 0.0ratter gurista] Medium Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Capacitor Power Relay II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster I Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 There is another great build that looses some range but has a slightly better tank, you warp to about 50km with this one. [Ishtar, Ishtar : Gurista forum option] Medium Armor Repairer II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.09.09 05:13:00 - [11] The ishtar tanks like a buff greek god vs kin/therm so if they are throwing that at you then yeah it pwns.. Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.09 06:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Footoo Rama Stuff Im not saying its bad, its great one of the top 5. But a CNR will own it in pure time of ratting. With the proper rigs the CNR will melt even the cruisers doing the equiv of 580 DPS+ it has drones working the whole time. CNR also never has to take time to target each frig because frigs die instantly while you are killing the BS`s. This means you get 768 DPS on the Target while your Drones do there 100 DPS on the frigs. Calculating all the time it takes for the Sentries to be locked and fired upon adds up alot each Frig takes 4 secs to lock and 4 Secs to kill. 8 secs extra per frig that the CNR didnt have to do. Each Spawn had 8 Frigs and there were 4 Waves a Sanctum on average. So 4x8x 8 secs=250ish Secs that are wasted over the CNR not to mention the CNR`s Higher BS DPS which is 200 DPS Higher, and like I said 1/3rd more Dmg is way faster Mission times than 1/3rd fast because active tank overwhelming factor. All in all the CNR is bar none the fastest, Missile time only matters for the first Ratt, which at 60km takes 8 secs. Once you have the first volleys missile lag you keep your missiles moving from target to target not wasting a shot so its only the first volley. Tengu is a Bit faster than the Ishtar but still slower than the CNR, the CNR`s main draw back is Getting ganked where as the smaller ships can align the sec they see trouble in local. The 900 DPS Tengu is Ham fit and 45km range but not worth it. The 660 DPS HM version is very cheap, only needs a set of 3% imps and 4 BCS`s. You dont even need a faction Boster although why ot buy it you can sell it easy, also because the Missile rigs you hit everything for full DPS, but it still lacks drones like the CNR so it has to lock and shoot them all. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Footoo Rama Gallente Cast-a-Ways.	Posted - 2010.09.09 08:24:00 - [13] 2x omni and skills put the range on the guards to 50km and wardens are out to about 90km ish. retargeting takes me hitting ctrl a Your right about swapping targets but most pilots stay on target until something dies. One of the reasons I do not fly my 850 dps domi in 0.0 is the threat of it being killed, and the tank is only about 450 dps vs gurista which is uncomfortably close to being broken if things are not 100% to plan, and you have to engage at about 50km as there is no room for the sebo. I could have sworn there was a tengu build that had the higher dps out to longer ranges... I was *****ing about the suck range at the high dps, and someone showed me a build that had range and dps... I might be wrong. Also you might be seeing more of me soon. we will chat. later ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.09 11:20:00 - [14] Visit Razor Alliance Killboard`s loss section so you know how you should not fit the Ishtar.


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