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Zea Aestria	Posted - 2010.09.11 04:59:00 - [121] Originally by: Jion Tichy So the answer is no! I would almost certainly have said no even if the initial requests were polite and not belligerent. So, when you previously claimed to take suggestions "under advisement," you had already made up your mind to say no? At least you were civil when you were lying.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.11 06:15:00 - [122] Quote: One of my characters is from late 2003 The Gallente one? Quote: You've now implied you believe audits are useless. Somewhere VV will be turning a dangerous shade of purple, incoming, incoming... I get purple about things I deem worth fighting after. If you notice, I stopped caring of here and this is worse. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.11 06:39:00 - [123] It's now pretty clear the OP is either a troll or lacking in basic reasoning skills. I suspect the former and suggest we all stop flattering his ego by feeding him. In the unlikely event that he produces a post (or an audit!) containing a degree of substance (beyond 'No U'!) then it might be worth the drain on time and energy involved in engaging again.
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.11 07:04:00 - [124] [tinfoilhat] This whole thread is likely to be a smokescreen. It bundles a big part of the attention of MD in one completely irrelevant place. No matter how long we/you argue, there is no realistic danger of Tichy ever becoming a trusted auditor in here. Time to get out of this thread and back to business as usual. Time to make sure we didn't miss anything important slip by while being busy raging at this "auditor". [/tinfoilhat]
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.09.11 07:12:00 - [125] Hello, and welcome to MD, I would like to take the opportunity to welcome you to the rank of auditor. This is a well thrusted and respected position in EVE. And as many stickies on rep grinding have pointed out, it ranges way above, step stoning, and ponzies in terms of MD REP and even ISK/MTH aka. ROI. Before you throw away of recommending your clients to get a full or partial subsidized audit through the MD audit fund. You should really see it as an income bonus for auditors, because that is what it is, it holds no governance over who becomes auditors. Also, do not listen to all the naysayers in here. They are just mad because they do not see the simplicity in the complexity that we do. Standardized auditor tools would have prevented the obvious scam that was T4U/Ebank/Dbank etc. And the fact is that we need more auditors in here, and it is not helping that people like Ray, Lecherito, VV, Varo, Breaker, MMe, Joan Colider, AC155, Cosmo, PP, Chribba, Grendell, Kazzac, Shar, Hexx, Caleb, Raw, Rawblood, Rawmeat etc. Trolls every newcomer because of their own inferiority complex! The fact of the matter is that the simple fact is that i thrusted him, and was lured into a hypnotized state, because of over 600 days of professionalism and business!
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.11 18:52:00 - [126] Gentlemen, Thank you for your recommendations and the time you've kindly taken. As per suggestions from a number of parties, I agree that 1% isn't enough-- we'll start with 2%. I'm glad we've established such a good rapport here. This is what communication can accomplish. Further comments and suggestions are appreciated!
Krythas	Posted - 2010.09.12 01:56:00 - [127] Originally by: Jion Tichy Gentlemen, Thank you for your recommendations and the time you've kindly taken. As per suggestions from a number of parties, I agree that 1% isn't enough-- we'll start with 2%. I'm glad we've established such a good rapport here. This is what communication can accomplish. Further comments and suggestions are appreciated! Just incase this is the leadup to a scam and you use this last post to prove your worth to someone who cant be bothered reading 5 pages of forum posts. No, you did not establish a good rapport here, infact - I'd venture to say the exact opposite. Not only that but you've potentially alienated investors from anyone you attempt to audit. If you are a potential client of this person, my advice would be to run away as fast as you can and go find yourself a real auditor Jion Tichy is not to be trusted.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 02:15:00 - [128] Originally by: Krythas Jion Tichy is not to be trusted. My offer of 100 mil ISK to him is still valid. It took me a whole 14 seconds to make the connection between me and my alt in the challenge I offered him. If he can not even do this simple task, there is no way any audit by him should be trusted.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 03:24:00 - [129] Breaker, can I get a challenge too ^^? And sorry Jion, I cba to read through all those pages in your thread but it doesn't look good. I suggest if you really want to stick with it, you do a couple of free audits to start with, i.e. to the companies on the LLSE. People will then have the chance of seeing your reporting style in action. Also, make sure you define your objectives clearly and state so in your report, so people know what you audited, what you were looking for, etc.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 03:28:00 - [130] Edited by: Breaker77 on 12/09/2010 03:28:42 Originally by: Ramingo Breaker, can I get a challenge too ^^? Can you find the link between me and my research alliance alt? Mail me ingame if you think you have it and the same 100 mil reward will apply.

Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 05:15:00 - [131] Done. That ISK will go towards my Nyx fund. 8 months of saving and "only" 4 bill to go for the t2 fit thing.
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:58:00 - [132] Originally by: Jion Tichy Personally, for me, it would be below my risk threshold for obvious reasons [that is, investment in a name like [Cheque Please]...] FWIW, I would also be biased against someone named "Honest Jim," again for obvious reasons. What if said conspicuous named podster had a prize winning smile, a penchant for haiku, and the uncanny ability to quote (from memory!) random snippets of the gospel of GaGa? Such positive character traits say loads more about a person's business integrity than any far-fangled, long-winded 'IPO plan'. I bet you also judge books by their cover, don't you? --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:37:00 - [133] Edited by: Ramingo on 12/09/2010 09:39:32 I just had time to read through what was written in your post and do some checking up on the links posted by other. You're a scammer, hypocrit and a douchebag at that for posting with your main Janya, a known scammer, on my audit thread and accusing me of being a potential scammer, then whining with your "auditor" alt about how we both get unfair treatment/are being accused by an elite "blah blah".
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:03:00 - [134] Ramingo, if the word on the street was that your main is Istvaan Shogaatsu, would that make it true? Who's really a hypocrite and a douchebag here?
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:11:00 - [135] Edited by: RAW23 on 12/09/2010 10:12:34 Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:09:51 Ramingo, if the word on the street was that your main is Istvaan Shogaatsu, would that make it true? Who's really a hypocrite and a douchebag here? Obviously, according to your own rules you would encourage him not to reply to such a rude comment.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:16:00 - [136] Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:09:51 Ramingo, if the word on the street was that your main is Istvaan Shogaatsu, would that make it true? Who's really a hypocrite and a douchebag here? Cheque Please: By all means flood ISK into Stealing Honest. Someone with a name like that is below my personal risk threshold on the basis of the name alone. The answer is still you. It's funny how you're in Janya's alt corp, post in same threads and on related subjects and with similar timestamps and then make a direct u-turn towards me in an effort to create a diversion. I assume you scammed with Janya, then decided to see what harm you could do as auditor (and do so with a self-professed alt) perhaps with the intent of auditing 1 of your own future bonds and scamming both the audit fee, investments, and leave the audit profession on M&D in shambles. I can honestly say I'm very glad M&D gave you such a hard grilling - who knows what you could have gotten away with.
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:19:00 - [137] Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:23:13 Raw23: I've kept my opinions of Ramingo's audit mostly to myself. Why? Because it's not my business. He can now look forward to some constructive criticism from me. Ramingo: I will be stopping by your threads. Krythas: Again, I appreciate your opinions and the time you've taken.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:31:00 - [138] Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:23:13 Raw23: I've kept my opinions of Ramingo's audit mostly to myself. Why? Because it's not my business. He can now look forward to some constructive criticism from me. Ramingo: I will be stopping by your threads. Krythas: Again, I appreciate your opinions and the time you've taken. Given that you already posted your "constructive" criticism on my thread with Janya, calling my audit service a potential scam and the whole thing "fishy" I don't see how you can post any worse slander. Except the fact that you've just admitted here you're going to troll my post will only make you look like more of a joke and serve no purpose other than to harm yourself (I've put up with far more, even justified, criticism, than what you can say about an already chewed out subject).
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:35:00 - [139] Quote: Given that you already posted your "constructive" criticism on my thread with Janya Do you have any basis whatsoever for this statement? Or are you just repeating what you've heard here? If you don't have any basis for it, don't make the accusation! Others could equally accuse you and tar you as a scammer. Would you enjoy that? Because that's what I think.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:41:00 - [140] Edited by: RAW23 on 12/09/2010 10:42:22 Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:37:26 Quote: Given that you already posted your "constructive" criticism on my thread with Janya Do you have any basis whatsoever for this statement? Or are you just repeating what you've heard here? If you don't have any basis for it, don't make the accusation! Others could equally accuse you and tar you as a scammer. Would you enjoy that? Because that's what I think. Quote: Except the fact that you've just admitted here you're going to troll my post The word "troll" is misused these days by many of the youngfolk. It's hardly trolling to share my thoughts that I believe that you are a scammer and that you are connected with the individual whose audit you first ran. We can talk about that here as much as you want, in addition to your other threads. He doesn't really need a basis. You won't disclose your main, so he and everyone else are free to make whatever assumptions they like. The lack of information is entirely your own responsibility.

Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:45:00 - [141] Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:46:32 Quote: You won't disclose his main, so he and everyone else are free to make whatever assumptions they like. If I did, how would that help you? Be honest. Just saying, in the environment of 3 accounts per person... My main has not been mentioned here yet and is not connected in any way with any criminal activity ever that I can remember, and that includes piracy. Quote: He doesn't really need a basis. Then I wouldn't need a basis for making equal accusations of Ramingo-- but I do have a basis.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:51:00 - [142] Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:46:32 Quote: You won't disclose his main, so he and everyone else are free to make whatever assumptions they like. If I did, how would that help you? Be honest. Just saying, in the environment of 3 accounts per person... My main has not been mentioned here yet and is not connected in any way with any criminal activity ever that I can remember, and that includes piracy. It's a purely minimal basis from which to start. Your word about your undisclosed main is obviously worthless until people can start investigating who you are. If you really think that not knowing someone's main has no security implications then you are REALLY not cut out to be even a troll/scam auditor.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:55:00 - [143] Edited by: Ramingo on 12/09/2010 10:56:17 Jion, I HAVE been called scammer a fair amount of times in that thread yet none of it was based on any proof whatsoever and stems from the fact that I did a check on a char known to have scammed. I really don't care what you think however. The difference between you and me is that I've conducted a fully legit on Lucyna's business already, before doing the check on Tirnuen to see if it was a new owner and who he would owe isk to. Next, I've disclosed my mains, all 3 of them, and I've never made any attempt at hiding them no matter where I've posted on the forum. You on the other hand are trying to build credibility with an alt, your main who could be Riethe for all we know. The fact that you dodge questions (if you read my thread, you'll see that I've answered and responded to every accusation as best as I could, even to repetitive questions), refuse to disclose your main (why wouldn't you? Got something to hide?), and are very aggressive in your responses, coupled with the fact that most people have strong inclinations to believe your main or an alt of yours is Janya (which I investigated for myself, and thus make a claim based on my own findings, which you've been unable to debunk) shows that you're not exactly trustworthy. In addition I've also started out with a slight bit of rep from my Faction War time where I FC'd fleets, led my own corp complete with the 2nd largest cap fleet in all 4 militias (beat only by Core Impulse, which we merged into later),including a supercap, had as only real corp rule no scamming, created and directed the Caldari Militia's faction war alliance, moderated the Caldari pvp channel, lent isk to people on M&D, etc... means that I've got far more credibility than you've maneuvered yourself into with your pretentious yet information-lacking posts. P.S.: And in spite of that I'm still fighting to overcome the blunder that was my second "check". Why in the world would you be expecting to receive any better judgment when you've been openly deceitful.
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 10:55:00 - [144] Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:56:58 Quote: If you really think that not knowing someone's main has no security implications What I think is that it's security theatre, in the sense that you can never really know who someone's main is. Hell, someone's "main" could have changed hands ten times and you wouldn't necessarily know it. Therefore, the appearance of security based on ostensibly knowing someone's main is, as you put it, only a starting point. Originally by: Ramingo and are very aggressive in your responses We'll be talking further in your threads.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 11:02:00 - [145] Quote: We'll be talking further in your threads. Feel free to post whatever and wherever you want, but if you want a legit response from me in my thread, other than a "you're a scammer/troll" then you're going to have to answer peoples' questions in your own thread first. And this is not me evading the spotlight. Anybody that didn't come with a troll (i.e. Godsmack's 1 word post "Scam") has received a direct response from me. Perhaps you should look through my thread completely first, then compare my type of answers to the same questions to the way you've decided to respond to yours.
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 11:07:00 - [146] Ramingo, one of the things that I think about you, based on reading your responses to the sort of disrespectful treatment dished out by these people, is that you are a person who will accept all manner of abuse, and is afraid to stand up for himself. That's what I think about you. We'll be talking further in your threads.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 11:11:00 - [147] Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 10:58:17 Quote: If you really think that not knowing someone's main has no security implications What I think is that it's security theatre, in the sense that you can never really know who someone's main is. Hell, someone's "main" could have changed hands ten times and you wouldn't necessarily know it. Therefore, the appearance of security based on ostensibly knowing someone's main is, as you put it, only a starting point. LOL I would suggest you get hold of some textbooks on critical thinking but I think you'll need to do some work to cover the fundamentals first.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 11:13:00 - [148] Edited by: Ramingo on 12/09/2010 11:16:26 The way I see it the abuse is an initiation and I have been warned of it before I even conducted my first audit and chose to go through with it anyway. I don't think that's what someone spineless would do. I also encouraged you/tried to help you until I noticed the connections between you and Janya and decided to investigate myself, at which point I realised that you called me a scammer with 1 char, then tried to build up some sort of rapport/friendship with Jion, at which case I "took the fight to you" as opposed to letting myself get pushed over. If you want to approach my thread with the same style of unsubstantiated arguments as you have shown to use in your own, then I don't think I have anything to worry about. Well, other than the fact that you're too much of a coward to let me know who your "older than Ram and all others put together" is. P.S.: I've only been playing for only around 2 years, which is even less than Ramingo's age, yet if you want to start a chest beating game, post your main.
Jion Tichy	Posted - 2010.09.12 11:14:00 - [149] Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 11:16:09 Quote: I would suggest you get hold of some textbooks on critical thinking but I think you'll need to do some work to cover the fundamentals first. My bookshelves are full of literally hundreds of books about military information theory among other things. I recommend that you start with a book called "Curing Analytic Pathologies." I could give you a huge reading list but you wouldn't read it, so why would I bother? Originally by: Ramingo P.S.: I've only been playing for only around 2 years, which is even less than Ramingo's age, yet if you want to start a chest beating game, post your main. Interesting.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 11:22:00 - [150] Originally by: Jion Tichy Edited by: Jion Tichy on 12/09/2010 11:16:09 Quote: I would suggest you get hold of some textbooks on critical thinking but I think you'll need to do some work to cover the fundamentals first. My bookshelves are full of literally hundreds of books about military information theory among other things. I recommend that you start with a book called "Curing Analytic Pathologies." I could give you a huge reading list but you wouldn't read it, so why would I bother? Originally by: Ramingo P.S.: I've only been playing for only around 2 years, which is even less than Ramingo's age, yet if you want to start a chest beating game, post your main. Interesting. Military information theory has so much to do with English Literature, right? Interesting? Every corp/alliance I've applied to has a full background of my trading history. The BIGGEST difference between you and me is that I am doing audits with my main and have disclosed my alts several times, you on the other hand try to do so with an alt, refuse to post your mains, and cry when people grill you for it. I'm also more than happy to supply my full API keys to any established auditor that wants to take a look at anything I've done so far, to see that I've never scammed before. They can interview friends and see I've handled billions of isk before both in money borrowed, money lent, ships and mods hauled, etc... Are you willing/able to state the same? I think not. It's time for you to find a different profession or try starting up another audit service with an alt of yours, and this time cater to the whims of the M&D community, which although draconic, help weed out people like yourself.



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