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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 00:46:00 -
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Armor whiners want armor active to be as good as shield active.
If so then give me an x-large shield extender and make shield buffer similar to armor buffer.
Also I want shield slave set and higher base shield resists.
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Exactly, so STFU and HTFU already :P. |
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.08.14 00:46:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Seishi Maru wrote:
Dude.. in what world you live? Peopel will always go for the most powerful alternatives. Before ASB there was 1.. buffer tank. Now there are 2. What is so hard to grasp 2 >1 ?
Make a data mining on killboards and get number of ships that were using BUFFER tank vs active tank on last 4 years.... I would get VERY surprised if 10% of the ships had active tank!
That doesn't mean that active tanking wasn't viable. You continually assert that it wasn't, but I know better. -Liang
Before, active shield tanking was only for rich boys with pills and implants. Not to mention booster alts. |
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Diesel47 wrote:
Before, active shield tanking was only for rich boys with pills and implants. Not to mention booster alts.
Don't be daft. That's like saying that buffer tanking was only for armor people with booster alts and slave sets.  -Liang
What are you talking about? It isn't like that at all.
Before, active shield tanking was only viable on 2-3 ships at most without all the shiny implants and stuff to back you up.
The king of cheap and effective active tanking was the myrm, which was armor.
Armor already has huge buffer tanks WITHOUT slaves, totally viable. Slave just are the extra middle finger which make those already good buffer tanks into wtf is this.
Shield active was subpar at it's best moments without crystals and drugs.
Before: You needed crystals to have a nice active tank going, but you didn't need slaves to have a nice armor buffer. |
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:01:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:I will just leave this there :
- cyclone can tank 138k damage with 1 xlasb (assuming no reload) using 4 slots and all 3 rigs for tank
- prophecy (ok, its lolship, but it is just example) has 124k ehp using 4 slots, 3 rigs and HG SLAVES for tank
- cyclone with 4 slot tank, 3 shield rigs and HG CRYSTALS can tank 188k ehp assuming no reload of xlasb
- sleipnir can tank 189k damage with 1 xlasb (no reload) using 4 slots and 2 rigs for tank
- absolution can tank 157k ehp when using 4 slots, 2 rigs and HG SLAVES for tank
- sleipnir with 4 slot tank, 2 shield rigs and HG CRYSTALS can tank 262k ehp
Btw both cyclone and sleipnir can fit dual large asbs for lower but sustainable tank, sleipnir can fit dual xl asb too.
- cyclone using 4 slots + 3 rigs (dual large asb fit) can tank 487 dps, while tanking is immune to neuts
- brutix using 5 slots (2x mar, dc, eanm and CAP BOOSTER) + 3 rigs can tank 389 dps, while being vulnerable to neuts
Clearly balanced.
Blah blah blah "no reload"
The reloading part is the weakest thing of the ancillary booster. Not counting the reload to prove your point makes your point invalid.
You can't just not count the reload.... Unless you found a way to instantly reload these shield boosters ingame and in that case it would be an exploit.
Even though your argument is completely invalid, I will still say that active tanks being able to tank more than a buffer tank over a period of time are [Working as intended.
Now show me an active tank that can survive the alpha of a good sized gang long enough to get reps or warp away.
Oh yeah, you can't. |
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:46:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:
I am pretty much wrong in everything I wrote.
Fixed that for you.
The comparisons that do not count the reloads are stupid and shouldn't even be mentioned. They prove nothing in a real PvP scenario. When the reload comes up , you will die if you are using a single shield booster. You will never be able to tank your theoretical "138k ehp". So like I said, Unless you found an exploit that you are using to not reload these boosters.. Half of your post is basically worthless. It is a bunch of theory crafting that will never ever happen.
Moving on.
"dual ASB is stronger than active armor tanking." Ok so what? And armor buffer is stronger than shield buffer. This how CCP keeps shield and armor as two different things. If you are suggesting to make armor and shields perfectly the same then you should stop posting, because that is a terrible idea that will dull the game.
Plus a 480dps tank isn't even impressive. It will die to a single hurricane or drakes dps.
Also: An active tank being able to tank more than a buffer over a period of time is work as intended. So at this point you are arguing with the developers. Slaves or not, this is how the game is intended to be. And it is fine.
Also make your posts more clear so people can actually understand what you are saying. Currently it is a mess. |
Diesel47
My Little Pwnys
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:10:00 -
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guy fights enemy with crystal set, strong blue pill, and OGB in test server and loses.
rages on forum. |
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