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GTar	Posted - 2010.09.15 14:51:00 - [1] Does anyone know for cirtain that Innerspace by www.lavishsoft.com is legal to us with eve clients ? They state that they have asked CCP , and it is legal. I filed a petition about it, but that could take forever :P /GTar
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 14:59:00 - [2] Highly unlikely. Also, in before lock/edit/delete/nuke/nerfbat. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Lost Hamster Hamster Holding Corp	Posted - 2010.09.15 15:04:00 - [3] Definitely not.

CCP Zymurgist Gallente C C P	Posted - 2010.09.15 16:15:00 - [4] I suggest asking the GMs by submitting a petition under Rules & Policies -> EULA and Terms of Service for an official answer. In the mean time just play it safe and do not use it Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us

Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 16:22:00 - [5] This is the quote that they are using to validate. Have to say that if it's real then fair play, seems to just make life easier, you still have to be there after all. Quote: Hello there, To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times. Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping). An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time! Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA. I hope this clears up this matter. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support Quote: -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 16:48:00 - [6] that is a awesome software to have multiple clients on same screen make clients switching very fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEvezuymfsc Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:05:00 - [7] funny you click that link to lavishsoft and it talks about multilbox botting. Should be banned for poast such a thing.
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat multilbox botting where ? Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat funny you click that link to lavishsoft and it talks about multilbox botting. Should be banned for poast such a thing. With a name like that mate you are lucky not to get banned yourself :-) -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:18:00 - [10] That's pretty kewl, I might actually get that for EQ2 instead of using my laptop for my second account. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Cryten Jones This is the quote that they are using to validate. Have to say that if it's real then fair play, seems to just make life easier, you still have to be there after all. Quote: [stuff] The same quote also explains why Innerspace doesn't stand a chance in hell to be legit. According to their own wiki, it can be used to script and automate gameplay, it can be used to provide additional UI, and it can be used to create plug-ins and add-ons, three things explicitly forbidden by the EULA and ToS. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Cryten Jones This is the quote that they are using to validate. Have to say that if it's real then fair play, seems to just make life easier, you still have to be there after all. Quote: [stuff] The same quote also explains why Innerspace doesn't stand a chance in hell to be legit. According to their own wiki, it can be used to script and automate gameplay, it can be used to provide additional UI, and it can be used to create plug-ins and add-ons, three things explicitly forbidden by the EULA and ToS. g11 and g15 have the option to repeat the same action multiple times Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: ceaon g11 and g15 have the option to repeat the same action multiple times That's something rather different than automating (much less scripting) gameplay, and it's allowed for that reason. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:44:00 - [14] Originally by: GTar I filed a petition about it, but that could take forever :P Originally by: CCP Zymurgist I suggest asking the GMs by submitting a petition Wise words, file another petition about it. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ceaon g11 and g15 have the option to repeat the same action multiple times That's something rather different than automating (much less scripting) gameplay, and it's allowed for that reason. so why this soft should not be allowed ? is a perfect tool to avoid the annoying alt tab between game clients also helps allot because CCP is to lazy to code the window mode borderless Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:49:00 - [16] Originally by: ceaon so why this soft should not be allowed ? Like I said: because it's not limited to just doing the same thing as a G11/G15. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ceaon so why this soft should not be allowed ? Like I said: because it's not limited to just doing the same thing as a G11/G15. from your logic knifes should be banned because they are not limited to cut bread also allow to kill ppl Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:58:00 - [18] Originally by: ceaon from your logic knifes should be banned because they are not limited to cut bread also allow to kill ppl àI take it you'll be surprised to learn that they are banned, then? Look, it's very simple: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA. It therefore breaks the EULA. What else it can do that doesn't break the EULA is of little to no importance ù what matters is that it does it at all. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Tippia àI take it you'll be surprised to learn that they are banned, then? i can buy a knife anytime and i have several type on the kitchen how is that banned ? look they give away knifes even whit the newspaper Originally by: Tippia Look, it's very simple: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA. It therefore breaks the EULA. What else it can do that doesn't break the EULA is of little to no importance ù what matters is that it does it at all. wow you are smart that program lets you do things that are against the EULA if that is true but you dont use the program do things that are against the EULA why should be a player banned ? Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ceaon from your logic knifes should be banned because they are not limited to cut bread also allow to kill ppl àI take it you'll be surprised to learn that they are banned, then? Look, it's very simple: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA. It therefore breaks the EULA. What else it can do that doesn't break the EULA is of little to no importance ù what matters is that it does it at all. But by this statement the G15 should also be! The key here is that 'because it can' is not the same as you CHOOSING to do so. This is a very fine line I know but that would be why the OP posted. I personally have no intention of automating anything, like the others here is's about the ability to multi-box in a better way then offered by the current client. To be honest I am not that fussed either way. Just want to know if I am allowed to use the multi-screen features of this product or not. Also, the petition option is a bit of a cop-out from CCP as we are not allowed to discuss that on the forums so the answer is a one-2-one thing. Can't we just can a direct answer yes or no ? -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:11:00 - [21] Originally by: ceaon i can buy a knife anytime and i have several type on the kitchen how is that banned ? Try taking them on board an airplaneà Quote: wow you are smart I know. Quote: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA if that is true àthen you're not allowed to bring it into the game, no matter what else it does, just like you can't bring that knife on board an airplane, no matter how much you just say you just use it to cut bread. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ceaon i can buy a knife anytime and i have several type on the kitchen how is that banned ? Try taking them on board an airplaneà Quote: wow you are smart I know. Quote: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA if that is true àthen you're not allowed to bring it into the game, no matter what else it does, just like you can't bring that knife on board an airplane, no matter how much you just say you just use it to cut bread. Humm, sure I took a knife on a plane not so long ago. They just asked me to not use the 'cutting people' features by way of placing it in the hold Anyway, not interested in your point of view to be honest. Official answers are required not guess work. -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Cryten Jones Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ceaon i can buy a knife anytime and i have several type on the kitchen how is that banned ? Try taking them on board an airplaneà Quote: wow you are smart I know. Quote: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA if that is true àthen you're not allowed to bring it into the game, no matter what else it does, just like you can't bring that knife on board an airplane, no matter how much you just say you just use it to cut bread. Humm, sure I took a knife on a plane not so long ago. They just asked me to not use the 'cutting people' features by way of placing it in the hold Anyway, not interested in your point of view to be honest. Official answers are required not guess work. -CJ He enjoys being a contrarian regardless if he's right or not and will argue his point until you give up or nerd rage at him. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Tippia on 15/09/2010 18:24:39 Originally by: Cryten Jones Humm, sure I took a knife on a plane not so long ago. They just asked me to not use the 'cutting people' features by way of placing it in the hold àand I'm sure they'll let you use Innerspace as long as you're not logged in as well. Quote: Anyway, not interested in your point of view to be honest. Official answers are required not guess work. So don't post it on the forums and wait for that petition. v0v Originally by: Barakkus He enjoys being a contrarian regardless if he's right or not and will argue his point until you give up or nerd rage at him. Tbh, it has less to do with being contrarian and more to do with people presenting horrid (or no) arguments. If you really want to get me going, post something I agree with but do it in a horribly stupid wayà àthat kicks me into "if you're going to agree with me, don't make 'my side' look pants-on-head *****ed" mode, which isn't a pretty sight. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki*
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Barakkus He enjoys being a contrarian regardless if he's right or not and will argue his point until you give up or nerd rage at him. He's in for a long night then :-) -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia So don't post it on the forums and wait for that petition. v0v Err......I didn't..... -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ceaon i can buy a knife anytime and i have several type on the kitchen how is that banned ? Try taking them on board an airplaneà Quote: wow you are smart I know. Quote: that program lets you do things that are against the EULA if that is true àthen you're not allowed to bring it into the game, no matter what else it does, just like you can't bring that knife on board an airplane, no matter how much you just say you just use it to cut bread. wow spin to lvl 5 in order to get banned you need to break the EULA resizing the game client dont break the EULA Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Cryten Jones Err......I didn't..... Pah! Details! But yes, sorry for that memory lapse on my part. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:29:00 - [29] No problem. I am way too busy laughing my backside off that the text I copied from the site in question as been removed from my post because it's a GM response. I mean...come on! a) It is already in the public domain b) If the official answer is to ask the GM's but we can't then post that answer for every one else to read..... -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.15 18:39:00 - [30] Edited by: ceaon on 15/09/2010 18:40:51 Originally by: Tippia According to their wiki, it hooks into DirectX (not allowed) directx is not a CCP product try harder Quote: to read/write mouse and key events (not allowed), to alter the game UI (not allowed), run bots (not allowed) and create third-party addons (not allowed). is does that by default or players have to make thins changes ? Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.

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