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Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 06:57:00 - [1] Given that the Aeon can be fitted to nearly triple the EHP of a titan, why would anyone fly a Nyx, is the extra Nyx dps really worth it? I know that 10 Aeon would crush 10 Nyx with minimal loss.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.09.17 07:00:00 - [2] If you're looking for quick lopsided ganks, how could you go wrong with more dps at the cost of EHP?
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.17 07:03:00 - [3] Yes but it is ugly as hell, bein WTFBBQPWN is it's only upside! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 07:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Templar Dane If you're looking for quick lopsided ganks, how could you go wrong with more dps at the cost of EHP? In lopsided ganks the extra dps of the Nyx won't matter either. I'm not sure if you were serious though.
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 07:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Yes but it is ugly as hell, bein WTFBBQPWN is it's only upside! So is the Dramiel.
Limvala Adur	Posted - 2010.09.17 08:50:00 - [6] Because if people can't stop it and can't kill it, the only thing you would want is more dps to finish the job quicker. In that regard. Nyx - Low Sec King Aeon - Null Sec King Btw, this might sound like a bit of a hijack, but can someone post the "usuall"/"standart" ehps of all Supercarriers.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.09.17 09:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Azshann Given that the Aeon can be fitted to nearly triple the EHP of a titan.... Are you remembering to fit the Titan you use for that comparison If I threw a crap-ton of ISK at a Navy Omen I could out EHP an Armageddon does that mean anything other than I have way too much ISK or is the Navy Omen begging for a nerf? Titan's have a lot more versatility than a MoM, bridge capability alone is worth the price difference, so what if a MoM can get the same EHP. Personal Note: CCP really needs to get their act together and introduce some severe game changes to curtail the super-/capital proliferation .. it is way out of hand and getting worse for ever day of peace in NAP-land.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.09.17 09:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Azshann Originally by: Templar Dane If you're looking for quick lopsided ganks, how could you go wrong with more dps at the cost of EHP? In lopsided ganks the extra dps of the Nyx won't matter either. I'm not sure if you were serious though. Highlighted the important bit.
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 09:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Are you remembering to fit the Titan you use for that comparison Um yes? If you put the EXACT same modules on an Aeon, you'll get nearly 2.3 times as much EHP than putting them on Avatar or Erebus. Go try it.
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 09:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Templar Dane Originally by: Azshann Originally by: Templar Dane If you're looking for quick lopsided ganks, how could you go wrong with more dps at the cost of EHP? In lopsided ganks the extra dps of the Nyx won't matter either. I'm not sure if you were serious though. Highlighted the important bit. Here's where it can go wrong (and has many times): You hotdrop a ship or small fleet. That ship (or small fleet) turns out to be bait. Now you get hotdropped. The battle is now lopsided in their favor. A group of Aeon's + Archon's would be able to survive for help. A group of Nyx's will not.

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.09.17 09:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Azshann Um yes? ... Go try it. That's just it I did run it through the almighty EFT and with identical lows the Avatar gets EHP within 2-3% of an Aeon .. I am certainly not seeing the 2-300% you refer to. Make Fighter Bombers a lot more vulnerable by quadrupling (or more) their signatures, tweaking their range (as in smartbombs = lost fight ) and MoMs will cease to be the blob mobiles of choice.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.09.17 10:03:00 - [12] What's with capitalizing the 2nd M? "Mom" was short for "Mothership", which these things aren't called anymore anyway, it's "supercarrier" now. Besides, it was never an acronym.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.17 10:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Furb Killer on 17/09/2010 10:16:29 If it is a proper bait your only chance is killing dictors/hictors in time. You will die, you will not win the battle with your aeons if it is really a trap. For general fighting the aeon is indeed the stronger one. But if you want to hotdrop some poor carrier in low sec a nyx will kill it faster, so you can leave faster. The largest risk will most likely not be your target or his corporations, but that an entity like PL or CH finds out in time and try to join the party. Killing the target faster means you get to safety faster. And that 2-3 times more EHP than titan must be troll.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.09.17 10:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Boltorano What's with capitalizing the 2nd M? "Mom" was short for "Mothership", which these things aren't called anymore anyway, it's "supercarrier" now. Besides, it was never an acronym. Its the internetzzz, why do we do anything around here? Addendum to previous: Slap the HIC "no remote assistance" tag on Moms when they have fighters or bombers in space. Combined with higher bomber vulnerability that should reduce their effectiveness quite nicely when not engaging other capitals (as they are meant to!).
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.17 12:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Personal Note: CCP really needs to get their act together and introduce some severe game changes to curtail the super-/capital proliferation .. it is way out of hand and getting worse for ever day of peace in NAP-land. Maybe the solution is to encourage violence, which through their focus on fixing lag they are actually doing.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.09.17 12:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Noun Verber Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Personal Note: CCP really needs to get their act together and introduce some severe game changes to curtail the super-/capital proliferation .. it is way out of hand and getting worse for ever day of peace in NAP-land. Maybe the solution is to encourage violence, which through their focus on fixing lag they are actually doing. Confirming that the omnipresent lag is making me violent. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.09.17 13:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 17/09/2010 13:51:40 Originally by: Noun Verber Maybe the solution is to encourage violence, which through their focus on fixing lag they are actually doing. On paper most definitely, but judging from the long periods of peace, hand-holding and general care-bearing that existed prior to the Dominion lag-bomb I wouldn't put my money on it. There needs to be ways for third (fourth, fifth .. ) parties to give power-blocs bloody noses for any sort of capital attrition to be possible. PL, as much as I hate using them as example, has shown what can be done with small cohesive gangs/fleets .. sure they always have the option of calling in a capital blob of their own so example is flawed, but still. EHP / DPS of Moms become moot if they are no longer the go-to ship to solve 99% of all incursions. Redesign the sovereignty system with small-gang/fleet warfare included alongside capital blobfests so that amassing a thousand capitals is no longer an automatic win against an enemy and patrolling (ie. using) ones space becomes a necessity. PS: Yes, I just called null-seccers a bunch of carebears, wanna make something of it?
Garbad theWeak	Posted - 2010.09.17 14:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 17/09/2010 13:51:40 Originally by: Noun Verber Maybe the solution is to encourage violence, which through their focus on fixing lag they are actually doing. On paper most definitely, but judging from the long periods of peace, hand-holding and general care-bearing that existed prior to the Dominion lag-bomb I wouldn't put my money on it. There needs to be ways for third (fourth, fifth .. ) parties to give power-blocs bloody noses for any sort of capital attrition to be possible. PL, as much as I hate using them as example, has shown what can be done with small cohesive gangs/fleets .. sure they always have the option of calling in a capital blob of their own so example is flawed, but still. EHP / DPS of Moms become moot if they are no longer the go-to ship to solve 99% of all incursions. Redesign the sovereignty system with small-gang/fleet warfare included alongside capital blobfests so that amassing a thousand capitals is no longer an automatic win against an enemy and patrolling (ie. using) ones space becomes a necessity. PS: Yes, I just called null-seccers a bunch of carebears, wanna make something of it? Capitals should be removed from the game. When one ship is hundreds of times stronger than another, its a problem. BS should be the largest ship, and if people want more loss they can fly a farking officer fit nightmare. So should the pos bashing snozefest. It was a good idea in theory -- force epic fights, but in reality it sucks. Something has to be done to promote equal blobbing if nothing else, and ideally more than just blobbing but more patrolling and less cloaky***gatry.
Creiter	Posted - 2010.09.17 16:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Garbad theWeak Capitals should be removed from the game. When one ship is hundreds of times stronger than another, its a problem. BS should be the largest ship, and if people want more loss they can fly a farking officer fit nightmare. So should the pos bashing snozefest. It was a good idea in theory -- force epic fights, but in reality it sucks. Something has to be done to promote equal blobbing if nothing else, and ideally more than just blobbing but more patrolling and less cloaky***gatry. Great suggestion. A titan isn't hundreds of times stronger, its hundreds of times tougher then a battleship. Its a floating, one shot wonder brick against capital ships; it can't warp out after firing its weapon once every 10 minutes. Thats all it can do besides jumping in a fleet now that its not the 4x jump/drive by AoEDoom cannon. And if you think BS fleets is the way to go, crashing nodes must be an effective battle tactic . CCP still cannot solve fleet lag since Dominion and they have been extensively testing for at least 5 months even with server hardware upgrades. Now that Supercarriers got a buff, they were the fix to blob warefare; you can use less pilots on your side to defeat more on the other. And to top that off they are a much more expensive ship so when you do kill it it gives you more epeen girth and length after dividing up the KM loss amongst your hundreds of alliance mates instead of single battleship kills by the hundreds.
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 16:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Azshann Um yes? ... Go try it. That's just it I did run it through the almighty EFT and with identical lows the Avatar gets EHP within 2-3% of an Aeon .. I am certainly not seeing the 2-300% you refer to. Make Fighter Bombers a lot more vulnerable by quadrupling (or more) their signatures, tweaking their range (as in smartbombs = lost fight ) and MoMs will cease to be the blob mobiles of choice. I'll post my setup below. Although you are right with the Avatar only being 5% behind the entire time, it's impressive to see that a supercarrier can be tanked beyond a Titan regardless. I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon. X-type EM Hardener X-type Thermic X-type Kinetic X-type Explosive x 2 A-type Energized adapative x2 Damage Control II Large Trimark x 3 You get 34.5 million EP. This is with no overheat, no links, no implants, no Erebus/Commandship bonuses. With the Avatar you get 33.7 million EHP. So yes you are correct assuming that there is no overheating/links/implants/other bonuses. Let's see what happens with some of these effects. Attach the slave set to both pilots, apply Erebus bonuses to both ships. NOw it's 73million to 69 million. So it's still close (the Nyx is still way behind at 43 million using the same fit minus one X-type Explosive). Now let's go ahead and overheat for when you actually get primaried. It's now 117 million ehp vs 111 million ehp (Nyx is at 69 million at this point). Also there's a problem with the Nyx comparison in the above example. We're assuming that the pilot fits his Nyx for maximum armor tanking instead of dps , which is generally the wrong way to go with Nyx. If we fit the Nyx for maximum dps, as it should be fit, then we see the Nyx comes way behind in tank, ending at a mere 35-40 million EHP compared to the Aeon at 117 million. We haven't even factored logistics into this.

Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.09.17 17:41:00 - [21] Edited by: Helmh0ltz on 17/09/2010 17:41:30 Originally by: Azshann Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Azshann Um yes? ... Go try it. That's just it I did run it through the almighty EFT and with identical lows the Avatar gets EHP within 2-3% of an Aeon .. I am certainly not seeing the 2-300% you refer to. Make Fighter Bombers a lot more vulnerable by quadrupling (or more) their signatures, tweaking their range (as in smartbombs = lost fight ) and MoMs will cease to be the blob mobiles of choice. I'll post my setup below. Although you are right with the Avatar only being 5% behind the entire time, it's impressive to see that a supercarrier can be tanked beyond a Titan regardless. I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon. X-type EM Hardener X-type Thermic X-type Kinetic X-type Explosive x 2 A-type Energized adapative x2 Damage Control II Large Trimark x 3 You get 34.5 million EP. This is with no overheat, no links, no implants, no Erebus/Commandship bonuses. With the Avatar you get 33.7 million EHP. So yes you are correct assuming that there is no overheating/links/implants/other bonuses. Let's see what happens with some of these effects. Attach the slave set to both pilots, apply Erebus bonuses to both ships. NOw it's 73million to 69 million. So it's still close (the Nyx is still way behind at 43 million using the same fit minus one X-type Explosive). Now let's go ahead and overheat for when you actually get primaried. It's now 117 million ehp vs 111 million ehp (Nyx is at 69 million at this point). Also there's a problem with the Nyx comparison in the above example. We're assuming that the pilot fits his Nyx for maximum armor tanking instead of dps , which is generally the wrong way to go with Nyx. If we fit the Nyx for maximum dps, as it should be fit, then we see the Nyx comes way behind in tank, ending at a mere 35-40 million EHP compared to the Aeon at 117 million. We haven't even factored logistics into this. Pfft...pathetic. I got my Aeon to 132 million EHP (overheated). ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.17 18:09:00 - [22] CH was king of the small Elite SC Gank Squad...Damn I miss em already -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 18:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Helmh0ltz Edited by: Helmh0ltz on 17/09/2010 17:54:03 Edited by: Helmh0ltz on 17/09/2010 17:41:30 Originally by: Azshann Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Azshann Um yes? ... Go try it. That's just it I did run it through the almighty EFT and with identical lows the Avatar gets EHP within 2-3% of an Aeon .. I am certainly not seeing the 2-300% you refer to. Make Fighter Bombers a lot more vulnerable by quadrupling (or more) their signatures, tweaking their range (as in smartbombs = lost fight ) and MoMs will cease to be the blob mobiles of choice. I'll post my setup below. Although you are right with the Avatar only being 5% behind the entire time, it's impressive to see that a supercarrier can be tanked beyond a Titan regardless. I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon. X-type EM Hardener X-type Thermic X-type Kinetic X-type Explosive x 2 A-type Energized adapative x2 Damage Control II Large Trimark x 3 You get 34.5 million EP. This is with no overheat, no links, no implants, no Erebus/Commandship bonuses. With the Avatar you get 33.7 million EHP. So yes you are correct assuming that there is no overheating/links/implants/other bonuses. Let's see what happens with some of these effects. Attach the slave set to both pilots, apply Erebus bonuses to both ships. NOw it's 73million to 69 million. So it's still close (the Nyx is still way behind at 43 million using the same fit minus one X-type Explosive). Now let's go ahead and overheat for when you actually get primaried. It's now 117 million ehp vs 111 million ehp (Nyx is at 69 million at this point). Also there's a problem with the Nyx comparison in the above example. We're assuming that the pilot fits his Nyx for maximum armor tanking instead of dps , which is generally the wrong way to go with Nyx. If we fit the Nyx for maximum dps, as it should be fit, then we see the Nyx comes way behind in tank, ending at a mere 35-40 million EHP compared to the Aeon at 117 million. We haven't even factored logistics into this. Pfft...pathetic. I got my Aeon to 132 million EHP (overheated). Edit: With the same fit I'm getting 81 million ehp for the Nyx so the stats (as far as I can see from EFT) Are something like: Maxed out bonused Nyx: EHP 81,011,928 DPS: 12500 Maxed out Bonused Aeon: EHP 132,699,358 DPS: 10000 You can actually bring it over 1 BILLION EHP if you included all kinds of environmental effects and officer mods and tons of a little details. Of course that will never happen in practice.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.17 20:43:00 - [24] Quote: If we fit the Nyx for maximum dps, as it should be fit, then we see the Nyx comes way behind in tank, ending at a mere 35-40 million EHP compared to the Aeon at 117 million. Huh? How does that affect the low slots of a super carrier? Quote: I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon. Quote: NOw it's 73million [...] the Nyx is still way behind at 43 million Do you even read what you write yourself? We started with you saying aeons have 2-3 times more EHP than a similar fitted avatar, and now this.
Azshann	Posted - 2010.09.17 22:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Furb Killer Quote: If we fit the Nyx for maximum dps, as it should be fit, then we see the Nyx comes way behind in tank, ending at a mere 35-40 million EHP compared to the Aeon at 117 million. Huh? How does that affect the low slots of a super carrier? Quote: I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon. Quote: NOw it's 73million [...] the Nyx is still way behind at 43 million Do you even read what you write yourself? We started with you saying aeons have 2-3 times more EHP than a similar fitted avatar, and now this. If you've read what I said so carefully, you'll see that I have already admitted I was wrong about 2-3 times the EHP of a similar fitted Titan. Does the "5% behind" part ring a bell? The fact of the matter is that the Aeon has more EHP than a titan, where the Nyx is at about 50% maximum (similar fit). If you can prove me wrong, please show me the loadout. Some Nyx's may sacrifice lows for cap and many other things. If you're not fitting for tank, there's no point in fitted that much tank at all.
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.09.18 02:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Azshann Originally by: Helmh0ltz Edited by: Helmh0ltz on 17/09/2010 17:54:03 Edited bquote=Azshann] I'll post my setup below. Although you are right with the Avatar only being 5% behind the entire time, it's impressive to see that a supercarrier can be tanked beyond a Titan regardless. I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon. X-type EM Hardener X-type Thermic X-type Kinetic X-type Explosive x 2 A-type Energized adapative x2 Damage Control II Large Trimark x 3 You get 34.5 million EP. This is with no overheat, no links, no implants, no Erebus/Commandship bonuses. With the Avatar you get 33.7 million EHP. So yes you are correct assuming that there is no overheating/links/implants/other bonuses. Let's see what happens with some of these effects. Attach the slave set to both pilots, apply Erebus bonuses to both ships. NOw it's 73million to 69 million. So it's still close (the Nyx is still way behind at 43 million using the same fit minus one X-type Explosive). Now let's go ahead and overheat for when you actually get primaried. It's now 117 million ehp vs 111 million ehp (Nyx is at 69 million at this point). Also there's a problem with the Nyx comparison in the above example. We're assuming that the pilot fits his Nyx for maximum armor tanking instead of dps , which is generally the wrong way to go with Nyx. If we fit the Nyx for maximum dps, as it should be fit, then we see the Nyx comes way behind in tank, ending at a mere 35-40 million EHP compared to the Aeon at 117 million. We haven't even factored logistics into this. Pfft...pathetic. I got my Aeon to 132 million EHP (overheated). Edit: With the same fit I'm getting 81 million ehp for the Nyx so the stats (as far as I can see from EFT) Are something like: Maxed out bonused Nyx: EHP 81,011,928 DPS: 12500 Maxed out Bonused Aeon: EHP 132,699,358 DPS: 10000 You can actually bring it over 1 BILLION EHP if you included all kinds of environmental effects and officer mods and tons of a little details. Of course that will never happen in practice. My fit was the same as yours except for two officer EANMs on each and a command legion boosting in addition to the erebus. Not entirely unreasonable I think, though the officer EANMs can be a tad hard to come by if you need a bunch of them in a hurry. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
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IcanhasyouStuff	Posted - 2010.09.18 06:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Azshann Originally by: Templar Dane If you're looking for quick lopsided ganks, how could you go wrong with more dps at the cost of EHP? In lopsided ganks the extra dps of the Nyx won't matter either. I'm not sure if you were serious though. How does an extra 2-3k more dps per ship not matter?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.18 10:50:00 - [29] Quote: I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon Quote: fact of the matter is that the Aeon has more EHP than a titan, where the Nyx is at about 50% maximum (similar fit). You really dont read what you write... First you say you cannot get a Nyx to 50% of the aeon, then you say it is about 50% (which is rounded quite a bit down). Make up your mind, then come back.
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NoNah	Posted - 2010.09.18 21:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Furb Killer Quote: I dare you to tank a Nyx to even 50% of the Aeon Quote: fact of the matter is that the Aeon has more EHP than a titan, where the Nyx is at about 50% maximum (similar fit). You really dont read what you write... First you say you cannot get a Nyx to 50% of the aeon, then you say it is about 50% (which is rounded quite a bit down). Make up your mind, then come back. Technically he said an aeon got more hp then a titan, and a nyx has only got 50% of the titans hp. Aeon > Titan = 2 Nyx is equivalent to Aeon > 2 Nyx, meaning 50% should be a challenge. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 143088
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.09.19 07:56:00 - [32] The second lags is 'fixed' you'll start seeing large conflicts. When equal fields of supers start getting deployed, ** will start dying. When 15-20bill ships start dying and alliances DONT reimburse pilots, you will see SC's start to drop off the field for the MUCH MORE economical dread. ----------------- Friends Forever**
Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:15:00 - [33] Another one of these threads? Ok.. The vast majority of super cap ganks kill the tartget in under 60 seconds as that is the limit of the aggro timer to break action and dock up. In any realistic situation where you are going to drop on the station games carrier that is fitted for station games and not fleet action then even a bs blob that is bridged in will do the job let alone the slight difference in dps between an aeon and a nyx. So in the case of the bs blob if the station camping carrier is actually bait for a sizable counter sc blob then the loss of a few insured bs is minimal. In the case of the hotdropping aeon/nyx then that extra 20 mil or so ehp the aeon sports might mean the difference between killing the last hic and jumping the **** out or losing your expensive pretty nyx. ZOMG!!!
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:17:00 - [34] Well at least the Nyx is symmetrical, **. ----------------- Friends Forever**
Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Well at least the Nyx is symmetrical, **. Yeah because pretty means ** in eve, tool. ZOMG!!!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.19 12:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Well at least the Nyx is symmetrical, **. Yeah because pretty means ** in eve, tool. Euhm yes. Some sensible people dont want to spend 20B or so on a ship to get the worst looking ship in eve, when you can also get one of the best looking ships.
Techno Panda	Posted - 2010.09.19 14:48:00 - [37] Aeon EHP VS Avatar EHP Boosted by Erebus with full Armored ganglinks http://tinypic.com/r/axe9f5/7
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.19 14:51:00 - [38] Ever considered not reducing the resolution so it would actually be readable? Also i you put one of them in a C6 WH then at least overload hardeners for both so it looks similar on a first glance.
Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Well at least the Nyx is symmetrical, **. Yeah because pretty means ** in eve, tool. Euhm yes. Some sensible people dont want to spend 20B or so on a ship to get the worst looking ship in eve, when you can also get one of the best looking ships. Sensible people don't let the pretty looks of something that 99% of the time you are never going to see anyways due to being zoomed out influance a 20B purchase. You see a ton of nyxs out there simply because at the time they came out most serious pvpers had gal bs5 instead of amarr bs5. This is changing rather quickly as all the people I know who are going caps are going amarr and alot of the ones who are already in gal are crosstraining for them asap. ZOMG!!!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:44:00 - [40] Sensible people dont let training one skill to lvl 5 determine where they are going to spend 20B on.

Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Furb Killer Sensible people dont let training one skill to lvl 5 determine where they are going to spend 20B on. Hence all the players training up amarr bs5 to dump their nyxs for aeons. ZOMG!!!
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Well at least the Nyx is symmetrical, **. Yeah because pretty means ** in eve, tool. I for one would rather fly a Hel over an Aeon simply because it looks like PURE RAW SEX rather than a sliced in half bestower, which by itself even in its role as a space-junk carrying industrial hauler fails to provide any pleasant aesthetics. Why would a mothership look based off of one of the ugliest INDUSTRIALS sliced in half be a good idea? And why sould we fly it over the pure awesomeness that is the hel? I'll tell you why, cuz we're all slaves of the stats man! Those numbers tell us everything and we value them more than cum-inducing eye candy! AEON is OP, NERF AEON. (also Nyx). THE TIME OF THE HEL WILL COME, AND ALL SHAL COMMETH WATCHING 50+ OF THEM CROWD THEIR SCREENS FILLING IT WITH PURE BLISS RATHER THAN MUSHROOMS, SHOEHORNS AND MALFORMED BESTOWERS. The time is neigh, better start praying __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:37:00 - [43] I'd like to see the amarr caps nerfed myself (even though my cap pilot alt flys them), if for no other reason than the sheer number of nullbear tears this would generate. Their threadnaughts would blot out the sun!
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:27:00 - [44] All the guys who are talking about looks over function are being *****ed. Like the above poster said, Who cares since most your battles will be zooming on targets and zooming out of your view of your ship...Station spinners worry alot of looks so I understand buying one as a collector, but how pretty will your 20b investment be in a pile of Capital Rubble? OMG I lost my Hel/Nyx not so pretty now lol Not sayig Nyx is bad but just for looks is the stupidest reason ever to invest in a subpar ship. If you like More gank and only do losec or simply dont wanna retrain I get those but looks? Looks is idiotic. And the "lookers" are probably peeps who will never use them effectively anyways...Higher Stats and Perfect slot layout accompanied by Fleet superiority is whats sexy to me, because my "Ugly Aeon" is way hotter than your 10k Parts that was your Hel because it was pretty. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was Prn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.20 20:35:00 - [45] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner The time is neigh, better start praying Oh quit whinnying. ZOMG!!!
Sajumi	Posted - 2010.09.21 13:49:00 - [46] you are forgetting the huge cap issues of an aeon ... there arent that many that fit 3 trimarks, most go for 2 and a capacitor control unit so that they reach a similiar cap reg rate like nxy (btw wtf nerf nyx^^) the aeon can get similiar ehp like a titan but the other supercarriers arent short on ehp either. chances are high, that if you would lose a nyx, you would also lose the aeon. for the eft setups, an aeon has to cut some of its ehp potential to be as versatile as the other supercarriers.
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.09.21 17:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Sajumi you are forgetting the huge cap issues of an aeon ... I really hope you're joking. If you have not figured out how to remedy that, and you fly an Aeon, then I KNOW there are too many supercaps in this game.
Sajumi	Posted - 2010.09.21 17:55:00 - [48] i know, that there are ways to get rid of the problem (depending on how much isk you are willing to spend) ... i just wanted to point out that it isn't all about ehp you can get a ridiculous high buffer tank and still render yourself useless (with the aeon it's even quite easy to do so^^)
Limvala Adur	Posted - 2010.09.21 18:10:00 - [49] Although without a clear connection to the topic, I thought that the Caldari Wyvern/Leviathan where the highest ehp ships in the game. Abeit unusable because of the shields thing. Is that true?
Zeerover Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.09.21 20:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Limvala Adur Although without a clear connection to the topic, I thought that the Caldari Wyvern/Leviathan where the highest ehp ships in the game. Abeit unusable because of the shields thing. Is that true? You can lolfit a Levithan to 150m EHP, and a Wyvren to 144m EHP (with overheat).

Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.21 20:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Sajumi i know, that there are ways to get rid of the problem (depending on how much isk you are willing to spend) ... i just wanted to point out that it isn't all about ehp you can get a ridiculous high buffer tank and still render yourself useless (with the aeon it's even quite easy to do so^^) I herd that carriers can mount something called a capital energy transfer array. ZOMG!!!


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