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Anti Kondor
Minmatar
Enterprise Estonia
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.09.17 17:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Daedalus II
Also possible, but requires a lot of planning. You have to get the right people online at the right time, maybe only possible during a weekend or such. So you manage to kill the cloaker once. You get rid of him, people go to bed, and when you come back the next day he's there again in the same ship.
Alternatively when he realize he's screwed he lights a cyno and drops a mothership on the whole op, results: mothership 1, bating fleet 0 (really 0, nothing survives)
It doesnt take a lot of coordination, all it takes is two people, one in a hul with bulkheads and a DCII, the other in something tu **** with the so called afk cloaker, If you can not muster two people to set a simple trap, you have more serious problems than the said afk cloaker.
If they do indeed hot drop a capital or supercap to kill a single hulk, well, lets jsut say that is not a reasonable use of hteir time and resources. Also, when you see a cyno you have quite a bit of time to bugger off, its going to take quite a few seconds before the cap ships inbound can actually do anything.
Sure every plan can go wrong, but if you dont try to fight back you are ****ed either way.
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Bernard Schuyler
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II
Well you get what you pay for. For 1-2 bil/month you don't get around the clock protection (you don't get any at all). And as stated earlier the small alliance A can't waste manpower sitting idly at gates. Besides it's pretty easy to run a gatecamp if you have a cloaky ship, so even if you DO waste the time of guarding the gates you are still very likely to miss him coming in and then it's too late anyway.
And sure the cloaker is determined, he is using his own time. But he can sit afk for hours doing something else, while he blocks up maybe 5-10 others. That's a pretty low cost to keep a system unproductive.
Well now we're back to Step One: Call his bluff, and continue to operate but be as safe and security conscious as possible. If he's AFK he can't attack you, and even if he is actively playing, you need to give him an inch he can exploit.
Manpower spent scouting, watching gates, etc. is not "wasted" -- It is operational security and the cost of doing business. If you got 5 guys, instead of 4 mining 1 hauling or whatever, you've got 3 mining, 1 hauling, and 1 scouting. Adjust as needed for your environment.
Again, I am not looking to just argue with you for the sake of it... But in 0.0 space, if all you are doing is paying some other players rent, while getting no operational security in exchange, and do not have the ability to run your own operational security... This seems to be working as intended.
Your nightmare scenario doesn't even need AFK cloakers. It also applies to not cloaked unprobable ships at a safe, or even probable ships at safes if you can't catch them. It applies to raiders coming out of wormholes in your system that you are not on top of because you aren't scanning for and watching (or closing) potentially dangerous wormholes.
0.0 is potentially dangerous. If someone is harassing you, there isn't an easy solution if you can't match their efforts.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/09/2010 18:22:39
It strikes me that you're not doing a very good job of accounting for your costs. If your earnings from mining aren't enough to offset the occasional loss, or to pay for escorts to prevent the occasional loss, you should consider finding another occupation, or relocating to highsec. After taking rent + POS costs + losses + escort costs into account, is it really worthwhile for you to bother mining in 0.0?
Unless you are a citizen of a large occupying power, 0.0 is probably where you go to spend isk, not make it, at least as far as industry is concerned.
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Sevalli
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:25:00 -
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Yo Dog!
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Narf Point
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:34:00 -
[35]
Sent you an evemail.
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Severin Emmeram
Minmatar
Re-Tek
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
I am sorry but the arrogence of the more whiney PVE'Rs and there ISK per hour is a huge joke to me!
I can not risk my 100 million hulk so I will pretend the 15Mil Coveter does not exist!
List of ships that can 0.0 Rat for under 10Mil!
Any Assualt Frigate
Vexor
Thorax
Arbitrator
Caracal
Moa
Rupture
Ferox
Cyclone
Brutix
Prophecy
So I am not really broken up you can not fly hundreds of millions of ISK in PVE gear in a war!
Would a High Sec War be any different!
Can you get me some Cyclones for under 10 mil please? lets say 100?
would love to sell them in jita for 15 mil.
Same goes for Brutix and Prophecy.
And for "all assault frigate": Ishkur sells for 17 mil.
I don't support the OP, not by a long way. But please check your facts.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Severin Emmeram
Can you get me some Cyclones for under 10 mil please? lets say 100?
would love to sell them in jita for 15 mil.
Same goes for Brutix and Prophecy.
And for "all assault frigate": Ishkur sells for 17 mil.
I don't support the OP, not by a long way. But please check your facts.
I do know my facts that was supposed to be 20 mil, most assualts go for about 12 the good ones 15-17!
So do not get so worked up over a typo!
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Ara Stark
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:25:00 -
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Came expecting terrible post, found ninja afk cloaker whinge.
Left fulfilled.
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Aelana Anais
Gallente
LiveTech
Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:42:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Printer Jam
This thread is now about removing local in 0.0 and fixing rockets
+1 
لللل
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.09.17 20:17:00 -
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the best thing I like about AFK Cloaking is that the longer you stay AFK, the more perks you get.
You start getting alliance mails, access to TS... hell if you stay AFK long enough, you can even get access to the alliance wallet.
Its amazing how the client knows you are not paying attention to it.
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Skarfase
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:03:00 -
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I'm cool with covops sitting in systems like this, if they want to hotdrop some BO's or probe down people for their fleet that's cool. I do have a problem when battleships do this, though. It's pretty absurd that something like that can just come in, wait a couple hours, and come back to their controls to kill a random miner or ratter. An even better solution would be to strip guns off of covops and make them invisible in local (Not that any covops actually used guns in the first place, just for the sake of balance.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:15:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Anti Kondor's sig
Try not to take life too seriously, noone gets out alive anyway.
Peter Noone has achieved immortality?
The more i hear about this guy the more intriguing he becomes.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:58:00 -
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So it was a disguised afk cloak whine thread after all? I heard stuff about imaginary alliance fictions or something?
I came confused and left with a messy keyboard?
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Anti Kondor
Minmatar
Enterprise Estonia
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Anti Kondor's sig
Try not to take life too seriously, noone gets out alive anyway.
Peter Noone has achieved immortality?
The more i hear about this guy the more intriguing he becomes.
I should have known creating my signature while drunk was not the best of ideas
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:17:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Anti Kondor
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Anti Kondor's sig
Try not to take life too seriously, noone gets out alive anyway.
Peter Noone has achieved immortality?
The more i hear about this guy the more intriguing he becomes.
I should have known creating my signature while drunk was not the best of ideas
It's surprising how many people have started to do it over the last year or two. The Peter Noone thing is kind of a running joke with me.
My Warmest Regards.
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Anti Kondor
Minmatar
Enterprise Estonia
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:22:00 -
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At least it got a chuckle out of me at my own stupidity and that is something i needed having spent the last 9 and a half hours at work with two and a half still to go.
Cheers.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:55:00 -
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A cloaker cannot probably kill your hulk before the 5 warrior IIs from your hulk's drone bay knock him dead. The only thing you have to worry about is a black ops cyno drop, and if you see 8 or 10 reds appear in system, just go hide in your PoS.
Of course, if you alliance, uh, I mean theoretical alliance A, was even remotely competent at PvE, they would have a belt ratter hang out by their mining ops when a red is in system, since even the most **** fit frig imaginable can also kill a stealth bomber in less than a torp volley cycle.
If it's not a covops ship that's AFK cloaking, what do you care? Stick a bit of tank and perhaps a warp core stab on your ship if you're feeling nervous and just warp out in the 10 seconds or so between when he shows up in your combat tab and when he actually is out of warp and can target you.
If you're in a battleship or a gate camp getting ganked by a solo covops then that's understandable, that's what they're built for. If you're in a mining OP and you get ganked by a solo covops then they have enough balls that they deserved the kill (for the aforementioned "drones will rip you a new *******" reasons) and if you're mining solo, ever, even in high sec, you're too dumb to live anyway, biomass imo.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.18 05:20:00 -
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the theoretical alliance A is outraged their macrorattters and macrominers aren't bringing in any profit because of hostile in system and decides to whine on forums about it |
flummox
Jupiter Ignition Project
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Posted - 2010.09.18 06:09:00 -
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just a quick question:
do you pay 1-2bil / month to only use one system? if so, then... gg?
i'd try another system. spread out a bit. move for a week. or recruit some new people. i'm sure there are plenty of players out there who are looking for the same type of experience(s). maybe even some who don't mind babysitting a mining op.
*looks in the mirror
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Opertone
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.18 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II
Ok before you start writing your negative comment, please note that I don't want to chan ...
wait where is whine?
this thread contains no whine, thus tears and trolls are not to be anticipated. I came looking for some...
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P1SS0NCCP
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Posted - 2010.09.18 06:54:00 -
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One of the beauties of Eve Online is the vaste number of empty systems available to any capsuleer. It is relatively easy to relocate to another constellation if the heat is too high. I hear that in the big alliances CCP has created a system known as a jumpbridge that allows capsuleers to jump between systems without using gates! Truley magnificent.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 08:58:00 -
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You just don't have enough guns to give you proper support. Same cases in all scales of corporations/alliances, in all sec. Industrialists shouldn't get anything 'safe'. They make isk, PvPers blow stuff up. Industrialists pay PvPers/supply them with ships. Circle of life.
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Feilamya
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Posted - 2010.09.18 10:05:00 -
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Remove local, problem solved.
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.22 04:28:00 -
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I don't know that would solve the AFK cloaker problem, if there actually is a problem to solve, but I would not mind seeing 0.0 local removed, or perhaps placed in a Delayed mode.
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Banana Disposal
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Posted - 2010.10.22 04:49:00 -
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Get a SB and bomb the system noob. Or a fleet and carpet bomb everything NOOB
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.22 05:11:00 -
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OP needs highsec, null sounds too hard.
If you can not rat in a vexor and not be killed OR not defend yourself or your use cheaper barges, go to highsec... 0.0 is not highsec, it is ment to be unsafe, and guess what, as said, you have spys watching you, so what is the difference? You KNOW the name of the guy watching you ("afk cloaker") vs not knowing who a spy is? lolz.
If mining is too boring for you, do something else! You want the easy afk isk, again, HIGH SEC.
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Stupid Froob
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Posted - 2010.10.22 05:24:00 -
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This just in: carebearing in 0.0 can be dangerous!
You want the additional rewards 0.0 provides? deal with it. You want to be (relatively) safe? go back to empire and carebear there.
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AFK Cloaker
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.22 05:25:00 -
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DjLowballer
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.10.22 06:00:00 -
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This post has to be a troll. Nobody could possibly think like this. If you can't handle ship loss then go back up to high sec where you can have no risk of incursion. It isn't about being a PvPer its about being unprepared. Imagine if you were a real rich industrial corp. Would you open factories in Somalia without the means to defend them?
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Aeo IV
Amarr
Oneironautics Research Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.22 06:10:00 -
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If you can afford carriers, why not park one in the belt and set your drones to guard the other two ships. The hulk of the pair can easily afford a full set of drones and if your transport is an orca/etc, it too can afford drones. The carrier could also fit large shield transporters and continually shield the other two ships.
It's not a perfect solution, but it could in theory work, at least against a single lone ship.
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