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Sophal
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:37:00 -
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Srs question.
Just curious on the statistics for people who pay or refuse to pay ransom. For those that do pay, do you generally get away, or are you screwed out of your ship and money most of the time?
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Sophal
Srs question.
Just curious on the statistics for people who pay or refuse to pay ransom. For those that do pay, do you generally get away, or are you screwed out of your ship and money most of the time?
If you dont undock you never have to worry about that issue
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Dasubervixen
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:44:00 -
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Don't do it and make sure you stick the "Flying Fickle of Fate" in the eye of anyone asking you for it.
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RiskyFrisky
Under the Table Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:48:00 -
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Don't pay ransoms.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:49:00 -
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Highsec pirates have game mechanics that make them immune to retaliation with a minimum of competence. They will blow you up anyway after you pay the ransom, don't bother. On the plus side, you can avoid them by not taking the bait and engaging them.
Lowsec pirates are vulnerable to revenge-killing, hiring mercs, and other pirates angry at them for screwing up one of the few ways they can make isk, so if they offer a ransom and you pay, expect to actually be let go.
Null can go either way since some areas have such tight sovereignity that they can be effectively rendered immune. But ransoms are almost never offered in null, so meh.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Highsec pirates have game mechanics that make them immune to retaliation with a minimum of competence. They will blow you up anyway after you pay the ransom, don't bother. On the plus side, you can avoid them by not taking the bait and engaging them.
Lowsec pirates are vulnerable to revenge-killing, hiring mercs, and other pirates angry at them for screwing up one of the few ways they can make isk, so if they offer a ransom and you pay, expect to actually be let go.
Null can go either way since some areas have such tight sovereignity that they can be effectively rendered immune. But ransoms are almost never offered in null, so meh.
Tackle who ever is ransoming you tell them you want double the ransom they are charging you or you'll light your cyno.
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Sophal
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Highsec pirates have game mechanics that make them immune to retaliation with a minimum of competence. They will blow you up anyway after you pay the ransom, don't bother. On the plus side, you can avoid them by not taking the bait and engaging them.
Lowsec pirates are vulnerable to revenge-killing, hiring mercs, and other pirates angry at them for screwing up one of the few ways they can make isk, so if they offer a ransom and you pay, expect to actually be let go.
Null can go either way since some areas have such tight sovereignity that they can be effectively rendered immune. But ransoms are almost never offered in null, so meh.
That makes sense. Only reason I ask is for more expensive ships. Say I was caught in a Black Ops or something. It's more likely to be prompted for a ransom than just a normal BS or something.
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okst666
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:00:00 -
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from time to time we have some lost ppl in our WH.. :D
when they pay, we will guide them to the exit...if not..well podexpress will lead home too.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:01:00 -
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hi cat here
while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember
i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol
pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway
in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol
i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol
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Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:03:00 -
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I got caught in lowsec (by not paying attention); lost my battlecruiser and they tackled my pod.
I paid 15mil to save 200+ mil worth of implants and they let me go 
So atleast in lowsec there are still some honourable pirates. |
Taedrin
Gallente
White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember
i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol
pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway
in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol
i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol
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<3 cat.
How goes the good fight, Cat?
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Fouljin
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:14:00 -
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It depends on situation. I had my abaddon blown to bits resently, and then those attackers convoed and demanded 50mil or they would blow my pod. After loosing a 100mil ship do I really care about my clone with no implants on it?
So no. Didn't pay. Got killed and had a nice fast transfer to my new clone in highsec where I was inteded to go anyway :D
So actually those attackers did me a favor. Got insurance from the ship and didnt have to do 45 jumps on slow battlehip!
But if I would fly a one billion ship and attacker would shoot it to structure and then ransom say 200mil or blow the ship I would maybe pay, of cource nothing prevents them shooting me anyway after paying. But ransoming a after your ship is gone is just stupid. Unless you have some really expensive implants on! :D
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:28:00 -
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I cant imagine ever paying ransom.(Ive lost some rather expensive ships in 0.0 too)
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Neytirii
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:01:00 -
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If I catch a carebear ship of any sort, I'll typically ransom it for either 1/3 or 1/2 of market value, and they almost always pay.
But theres less profit in honoring them, so why bother? A ****** starts playing every day, so I won't be running out of them anytime soon.
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:05:00 -
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My wife has informed me that if I ever pay a ransom then I will be sleeping on the sofa for a month.
But I expect that she pays them all the time.
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liquidsteal
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:09:00 -
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HELL NO
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Kruelant
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:12:00 -
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Can flipped a fella in a Hulk today, while I was in my Rifter. I took him down to armor and ransomed him for 50mil, which I thought was fair considering 130mil was the avg price for a Hulk. He asked for 10mil, and I said 30mil take it or leave it. He said let me dock and I will pay you, I can't trust you. I said I can't trust you either, and I'm the one holding you here so pay it up or I'm taking you down (while I said the last sentence I took him to structure to amp up his nerves). He paid seconds after I ripped into his structure, and as promised I let him go and will not bother him.
You take your chances with ransoms. It's really a gamble. If you ever run into me, I do stick with my word. I'm trying to make ISK PvPing which is hard enough.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 17/09/2010 23:16:39
IF I offer a ransom (depends on how much I am in control of the situation) I'd say that about 1 in 3 pays. The others try the "I'll pay you when I'm docked, I need to transfer it from an alt" routine.
To the above poster; I ransom hulks for 75 mil and tell them they have the time till my rifter blows them up. No arguing, no deals. Pay the full price or die.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sophal
Srs question.
Just curious on the statistics for people who pay or refuse to pay ransom. For those that do pay, do you generally get away, or are you screwed out of your ship and money most of the time?
One of my corp mates (a newer player) got ransomed in a mission..offered to pay 20 million and was let go.The ship in question was a faction fit apoc navy issue.
So..not being a pirate(5.0 standing)..I have to give one to them.There are some who will let you go,however I dont know how common it is.
I myself..would take it as a loss and not pay.Im not a trusting person and can afford to replace a ship.
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Fafnir Drake
Gallente
Boob Heads
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:46:00 -
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Depends on a lot of things.
High sec pirates will tend to just blow you up. If they war-dec'd, they're probably in it as much for the PvP as any thing else. If they suicide ganked, it's probably because you're hauling something expensive. To get to it, they need to pop your ship. So again, don't expect ransoms in high sec. If one is offered, I'd advise against taking it unless the corp/alliance is well known to honor them.
Low sec, it is much more complicated. It varies a lot by region. There are a few areas that are inhabited by dedicated pirates. They will usually honor ransoms and will tend to hunt down freelancers who enter their hunting grounds. However, the more contested/free-for-all areas of lowsec are a crapshoot. Might get lucky, might not. Also, it's not a given, but -10.0 pirates are probably career pirates and are more likely to honour ransoms (becuase they'd rather make more money from the ransom than the loot, because they're lazy like the rest of us and don't want to make money the boring ways. i.e. ratting/mission/market).
As for 0.0, if you enter it without knowing who lives there, you deserve what you get. My experience in 0.0, however, is that you don't really ransom. You blow up anyone who comes by. This is because in 0.0 you make money via alliance industry and (on a personal level) ratting.
Anyone who enters 0.0 is considered hostile and is blown up swiftly to eliminate the potential threat. If you're a small 0.0 corp/alliance, you don't want to sit on the gate for long. If you're big enough to loiter, you can make a lot more money doing other things, and your members would probably rather have the killmail.
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:48:00 -
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only paid once, and they let me go :)
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Osiris Heart
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Posted - 2010.09.18 00:14:00 -
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There are 2 types of pirates:
1. Real Pirates (who are all about a robbery)
2. False Pirates (False pirates are shame of real pirates, because they are not abut robbery, but about to kill and they are too weak to accept, that they are just simple killers even if it is OK in EVE)
Therefore, if you got into hands of Real Pirates, the pay and you will go away alive, but if you get in the hands of False Pirates then you going to be dead anyway.
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Taedrin
Gallente
White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.18 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Osiris Heart
There are 2 types of pirates:
1. Real Pirates (who are all about a robbery)
2. False Pirates (False pirates are shame of real pirates, because they are not abut robbery, but about to kill and they are too weak to accept, that they are just simple killers even if it is OK in EVE)
Therefore, if you got into hands of Real Pirates, the pay and you will go away alive, but if you get in the hands of False Pirates then you going to be dead anyway.
Not necessarily true - depends on the situation. If the pirate determines that dishonoring the ransom is worth more money than any supposed "repeat business", then they might do that. But you are right that real pirates only care about the ISK, and not about "tears" or killmails.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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P1SS0NCCP
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Posted - 2010.09.18 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Osiris Heart
There are 2 types of pirates:
1. Real Pirates (who are all about a robbery)
2. False Pirates (False pirates are shame of real pirates, because they are not abut robbery, but about to kill and they are too weak to accept, that they are just simple killers even if it is OK in EVE)
Therefore, if you got into hands of Real Pirates, the pay and you will go away alive, but if you get in the hands of False Pirates then you going to be dead anyway.
Not necessarily true - depends on the situation. If the pirate determines that dishonoring the ransom is worth more money than any supposed "repeat business", then they might do that. But you are right that real pirates only care about the ISK, and not about "tears" or killmails.
CCP have done such a wonderful balance that enables players to engage in both real and fake piracy!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.18 00:57:00 -
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They should make like a trade window..that a pirate can enter an amount of isk wanted,then press check (unable to be changed)and the player can accept which gets rid of the aggro.
Would at least be good for high sec.
For low sec..you could tie concord to that contract I guess..so that if the player pays and still gets shot,concord comes and kills em.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:21:00 -
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It's just an advanced form of begging.
My Warmest Regards.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:37:00 -
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My rough stats
About half paid ransoms, all were let go
I've paid very few ransoms, rarely been asked, and some times they asked for ridiculous amounts I automatically rejected. I've never been betrayed anyway
Just be careful who you pay, its safe if its a known respected corp, or just take a chance. Jackasses are easy spot
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:50:00 -
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never paid
never got away
never cried when i lost my ship.
(sniff)
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Grenouilles Volantes
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:59:00 -
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Never negotiate with terrorists.
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Chase Owens
Rage Orbital Construction Associates
Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:50:00 -
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If they try to ransom your pod....tell them you have ****ty implants, and just to kill you. They will let you pay less than cost to replace, and on your way. If they don't honor ransom it hurts them more. If they kill you, they get nothing. They will take your 5-10mil or w/e you can convince them of, and let you go on your way. I've done it before. No corp that asks for ransom wants to take a sec status hit and/or 0isk to kill a pod when they can get 5mil.
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