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Tippia
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
And what message will banninng them send? Don't use any funky-sounding mechanic (see my examples above) because it might be considered an exploit at some point in the future and you might be banned retroactively?
Yes. Sounds like an excellent message, tbh.
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Should you petition about anything that sounds out of order? And even if a senior GM says it's okay, you should still not use it because it might be overruled one day?
Yes.
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But only after the rules are set, you can punish people for breaking them. But retroactive punishment for something that was confirmed as a feature before is bad. Okay?
The rules are set: don't exploit bugs. As for the whole "confirmed as a feature", until I see the wording of the petition and bug reports they handed in, I'm going to flat-out state that no such confirmation exists. They may have asked the GMs about some ill-defined wonky behaviour (leaving out the details that makes it an obvious bug), and gotten that supposed "effects are meant to be use" response, but the value of that response depends entirely on what kind of question they asked.
àand even then, yes, they should have understood that the GMs didn't get the problem, considering what the result of the bug was.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2010.09.20 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul
If this bug exists, it's CCP's fault for not committing to excellence. Not the players.
If the bug exists, it's the players' fault for exploiting it (aka cheating), not CCP's.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Logs of blasters shooting for maximum damage at 200km should ring alarms...
àwith the players, who should understand that they're exploiting a bug ù making them cheaters.
It makes somewhere between none and zero difference how incompetent CCP are in fixing the problem. The culpability of the players remains exactly the same: they chose to exploit the bug; they chose to cheat; they are the ones responsible for their own actions.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 20/09/2010 15:13:21
Originally by: Zagdul
I never said they shouldn't be punished.
Rightà you only implied it by saying that ôNow, who should be banned? Neither of the people receiving or giving the debuff.ö and you argued for this on the basis that it was CCP's fault that these players cheated because they were letting the bug exist.
àa bug the players knew about.
àa bug the players exploited.
So what do you feel is the right punishment for these cheaters?
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