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Icanti
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Icanti on 19/09/2010 11:29:22
Crosspost
Thoughts?
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Abon
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Icanti
Thoughts?
don`t crosspost.
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Icanti
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Abon
Originally by: Icanti
Thoughts?
don`t crosspost.
heh.... :) My apologies. However this forum is read by many more people than the test server forum and the market forum.
I thought posting here might get more of a discussion going. It's a pretty big change.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:35:00 -
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That topic is about an option in the test server to trade a plex for a remap, wtf does that have to do with $$ for sp? I'll have to give it to you though, your troll did get me to respond, 4/10.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:35:00 -
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As long as there is a way to get any one item of in-game value for out-of-game money, you can buy anything for it - be it game time, faction ships, or skilled characters. Plus, this doesn't give anyone willing to spend dollars on EVE any advantage over people who don't - it simply lets them get there a little bit faster. In my opinion, nothing game-breaking.
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Rematusen
Spawns of Thanatos
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:38:00 -
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spending rl cash for faster skills am i getting this right. if well ok lets do it but remember then the russians and chinese will pwn all
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rematusen
spending rl cash for faster skills am i getting this right. if well ok lets do it but remember then the russians and chinese will pwn all
They don't already?
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Pippan
Gallente
Carebears with Guns
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:40:00 -
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That's a horrible idea.
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Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:46:00 -
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Your post is misleading. Spending plex in exchange for a remap is not the same as buying SP with a plex.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:50:00 -
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Those with lots of RL cash can already turn cash into plex, into ISK, and use it to purchase a character. I suppose if they only allowed one a year, in addition to the free one, it wouldn't exactly be game breaking. It wouldn't result in more skill points versus following a skill plan based around the same attributes for a year.
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Psymn
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:54:00 -
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I had a nasty remapping accident and ended up one charismatic sob, i endorse plex for remap idea, for me, but no one else :p
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:59:00 -
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Take a stance - say no to SP for $
And no ISK or character sales for $ either! 
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:01:00 -
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Like I said in the thread, this idea is one step closer to buying SP for money. Hiding behind the idea to pay with PLEX'es is not a good thing.
While it is a good idea for the sake of PLEX'es - the end result is buying your way ahead, even if you as user of said PLEX may have not used real money to buy ahead - real money did get used to create said PLEX.
I'm 200% for being able to pay gametime with PLEX. But when it starts to being able to buy SP/remap/items/etc with PLEX (indirectly money) - I'm getting real worried, and I don't see this as the greater good for the community - and game in general.
And that is a very sad thing from my pov, EVE always has been very special with the maturity (nevermind trolls) of the community, and the agening of pilots, when you see tendancies of being able to "buy" your way up, that will most def destroy most of what I think makes us pilots special from all other MMO players.
I hope this doesn't get any solid ground in the near future.
/c
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Quixis
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:01:00 -
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It was on sisi, it was for a REMAP. FFS at least get your facts straight before posting.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:02:00 -
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I say yes to $$ for SP.
Short from buying a character (which I don't want to do, I love my guy).
For those of us who are good at doing what we do, we end up with massive amounts of ISK and ingame knowledge, but are limited by time, and time alone. I would gladly pay for time with ingame isk to balance it out.
Some of us have enough to buy multiple (s)capital ships for example, but still months away from the SP requirement!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Khanaris Asgarth
Your post is misleading. Spending plex in exchange for a remap is not the same as buying SP with a plex.
Indeed. Fear mongering and crossposting. Should go over well with the mods.
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
I'm 200% for being able to pay gametime with PLEX. But when it starts to being able to buy SP/remap/items/etc with PLEX (indirectly money) - I'm getting real worried, and I don't see this as the greater good for the community - and game in general.
But where lies the thin line - isn't selling plex for ISK and consequently buying a 60 million SP character for that ISK not already way over that line .. ?
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:05:00 -
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This is way further from buying SP than if you for example could buy a complete character and then spend some RL money to buy your ship. Imagine that, people with lot of money could just start playing eve immediatly with a high SP character with capitals available, while for others that will take years. Oh wait, we already got that.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Originally by: Chribba
I'm 200% for being able to pay gametime with PLEX. But when it starts to being able to buy SP/remap/items/etc with PLEX (indirectly money) - I'm getting real worried, and I don't see this as the greater good for the community - and game in general.
But where lies the thin line - isn't selling plex for ISK and consequently buying a 60 million SP character for that ISK not already way over that line .. ?
In one way yes, however in the other way no.
Seeing as it's one char getting moved to a new owner, in the end it is still just ONE 60m SP char. While buying SP would result in 2+ 60m SP chars.
Thus, I see no problem in the sale of characters as it does not generate new pilots, only new owners.
/c
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R
I say yes to $$ for SP.
Short from buying a character (which I don't want to do, I love my guy).
For those of us who are good at doing what we do, we end up with massive amounts of ISK and ingame knowledge, but are limited by time, and time alone. I would gladly pay for time with ingame isk to balance it out.
Some of us have enough to buy multiple (s)capital ships for example, but still months away from the SP requirement!
Im too lazy to look how old you are,but if youve been playing for a few years..I cant understand that you agree to this.
I dont like the fact that you can buy characters.I dont like the fact that you can buy isk.What will make eve any different than games like level r?Sure its free..but if you want the better car you gotta pay.Wheres the competition in it?
Im sure all the newer players will love it..and some of the older ones who would love to boost an alt(which I think alts suck too)but all these things make eve less unique.Eve isnt about how big your rl wallet is..and thats where this change is taking it.
Plex already breaks alot in itself..who in their right mind will grind missions or anything else..when you can just buy isk for cash,and that legaly?Only people who cant afford plex.
See where this is heading?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
See where this is heading?
Yes, CCP makes allot more RL money. Thus, they don't see a problem and everyone here can go cry in a pillow.
They are running a business, and most rich Empire carebears will love this. All of you can EMO quite and CCP won't even feel the pinch.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: HeIIfire11
See where this is heading?
Yes, CCP makes allot more RL money. Thus, they don't see a problem and everyone here can go cry in a pillow.
They are running a business, and most rich Empire carebears will love this. All of you can EMO quite and CCP won't even feel the pinch.
I dont care if they feel a pinch..but I ask you this.Why do you think eve is so big?Because it sets itself apart from other games.The closer you get to being the same old crap..the closer you get to failing.I know they wont feel a pinch..neither will I at that point by quiting.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:26:00 -
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And they won't care when you leave.
Nor do they care what you are posting now.
Bai.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 19/09/2010 12:31:33
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
And they won't care when you leave.
Nor do they care what you are posting now.
Bai.
They should care though when they have a game full of people like you..troll on your a whaste of time.
Edit:0/10 btw
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:37:00 -
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eves great because there is no power leveling.
The best anyone could get is doing their research and using evemon to plan out a perfect skill tree, buying advantages to skills on a char is bang out of order imo.
Buying chars is different, you have the guys name skills history etc etc, so theres many drawbacks.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:39:00 -
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Tbh, that's even worse than SP for $ ù that's an example of "completely different ruleset of $": if you want to pay cash, you can skip the entire "attributes" mechanic of the game.
In this case, the effect is much the same, but the design philosophy is radically different and actually leads down a far more dangerous pathà
àso, when can I buy "no warp scrambling for $" ù that's a game mechanic I always found a nuisance.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:41:00 -
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1. You can already buy SP with PLEX: by buying better implants.
2. Remapping does not mean buying SP: the high-ranking people at [eveboard] for example are already training with the highest stats (33/26.4). Extra remaps are for the impatient ones or for low-SP-elitists that have to switch training a lot in and want to do it most efficiently. Why not let them pay extra $ for CCP, so that CCP has more money to invest into EVE ?
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Tbh, that's even worse than SP for $ ù that's an example of "completely different ruleset of $": if you want to pay cash, you can skip the entire "attributes" mechanic of the game.
You can already do that by the natural remap. Although it's only convenient for people with long training plans, which are usually people with high amount of SP. This option will enable this for the medium SP players as well, for a little extra income for CCP. Don't see anything wrong here, it's not a game breaking feature, like the ones you see today in other MMOs, that introduce item-shops and micro-transactions.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/09/2010 12:51:31
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Your A Troll...
I am someone who plays the game for what it is and does not whine about possible changes promoting better profits for the game designers.
SP is a really big barrier for people and anything that promotes a more efficient skill climb can only be good for the game. On top of that, CCP has mentioned that they do not like the present SP system, but at this point it is too ingrained in the game to change it. So how about let people skill up more efficiently then?
1.) People with more RL money will get more efficient SP per hour yes.
But...
2.) People who can play the game well, and amass more ISK in game will ALSO get the same results without the help of RL money supplementing their income.
So it is not just the wealthy that is being rewarded, it is also the more skillful game players. And sure the elitist ****'s in 0.0 will hate this, but no one cares about what those blob monkeys think anyway. People with more SP will fly better ships with better mods and that will always make for a better game.
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 19/09/2010 12:51:59
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Why do you think eve is so big? Because it sets itself apart from other games. The closer you get to being the same old crap..the closer you get to failing. I know they wont feel a pinch .. neither will I at that point by quiting.
Define 'big'. 60k players with 4 accounts each isn't that impressive.
If CCP can get a tenfold of that by changing the rules, even with just 1 account each it's pure win. If CCP feels they're still true to their principles and thousands of new people love it, well that's just the way it's going to be.
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