+2 year CEO reporting.

+1 from me.

All the roles are horribly broken. Besides POS roles, rent roles are the most broken. And gets far worse when you combine POS and Rent roles. You can still recruit, you just need to force everyone to manufacture in NPC stations with NPC wait lines. There is almost no point in trying to research things in NPC stations, takes forever to get an open spot without a friendly neighborhood research POS. Of course if they have access to those labs to research their Rifter BPO, they can "borrow" my Hurricane BPO while I'm offline.

+1

And, I too am a CEO (of a very small corp).

My solution has been just to allow players I've known for a long time to join. All players are people who take care of their own blueprints and resources. I keep assets locked away.

I've been director of two corps, and see no problem with this proposal.

edit: You *can* use more than one POS to solve this problem. One with its own password for the "trusted" guys, where high-end production is done, and at least one other that will allow anyone in the corp through the shield.

I'd really like to be able to configure a POS to allow blues access to labs...

I think you hit the nail on the head there, problem is if someone gets upset or malicious, they can still trash a 7billion ISK Jump Freighter in production.

You guys trolling right ?

CCP does love it when corp treachery makes the news. That said, it only makes the news it it was a huge theft and a trusted individual. Small corp theft and manufacturing job hissy-fits do not make for an interesting read.

To be honest i'd give CEO's/Directors the ability to 'Lock Down' in progress jobs so only CEO's/Directors can cancel them.

+1 from me

I'm not going to expand my corp, which I'd love to do, until I can lock down BPO's/BPC's/interface so that corp members can use them but not remove them from either a corp hanger in a staion or a hanger in a lab, and lock down jobs so that people can only cancel their own jobs.
Note any member should be able to deliver any ready job .. assuming that invention jobs sucees is determined at the point of instantiation and not delivery. This would prevent slots being blocked because a corp member is on holiday/sick/got other commitments/being a lazy ass..

d) processing gas requires roles that will allow you to offline and unanchor any POS that belong to this corporation

I think the whole role management needs to be reworked. And yes, this is a serious issue.

Also we dislike such minor facts, that role-titles are displayed on the character info. because of this some corps are using ascii-art titles without meaning, so outsiders can't even get what kind of roles should that toon bear with.

Even more, it'd be needed to give access to arbitrary installations/arrays/whatever to members. And having arbitrary number of wallet divisions, maybe corp hangars.

Also alliance-level roles would be nice, even alliance hangars, with roles.

+5 for me
CEO, and past Alliance Industrial Director
this one issue is a major bar to recruitment into corps and also hurt Newbies from getting in the better indy corps.
To those who say CCP is not listening check out the section of discussion on CORP revamps discussed by the CSM and CCP
http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
contact your local CSM and push for the changes you like.

Yes I know. But whats important here is to make eve hardcore game for its pvp pew pew style but it has to be as easy as possible to be able to steal few bil isk worth of assets. CCP thinks we are iditots so if we like to steal it has to be easy or we would get bored quickly. And its not just about the news, its about the playerbase.

The current coding that CCP uses for the role interface / corp interface is limited by its original coding. Because of this it is very difficult for them to add more to the interface. I am pretty sure there are plans in order to deal with this and when they tackle updating the corporation interface and completely reworking it - You will be able to do this.

CCP doesn't get off on making it hard for you to do industry.

+1 to OP

But I fear that it wont have a chance (see Causality Trailer). They want that betrayal to happen to you.

So its not a flaw in ccp's eyes, its a feature.

+1 as an obviously needed update, along with the POS system.

However, realize that to go in and deal with that very old code is extremely difficult and time consuming, hence it gets put on the back burner.

Actually, it's laziness/lack of resources that were instead put into dust/wod...

Leave the old code as is as inaccessible orphan segments, it's a common practice in mmos that contributes to ballooning of client size, an acceptable side effect. Reimburse obsolete assets. Rewrite new POS mechanics from the ground up. I never liked the pudding with chunks floating in it anyway, it doesn't need to be fixed, it needs to be gone.

Great idea,

I've seen similar before but this is neatly summed as to what needs to be fixed asap.

I'm running an industrial corp myself, but I'm not willing to allow any acces to pos if i ever do set one up, as it will be a massive security liability.
Naturally I'd like to see more borked corp roles fixed, but if this at the very least gets fixed we can at least start moving forward.

As it is we're in the ridiculous situation where we can't even give our newer members access to build frigates using corp bpos since that opens up cancelling everything; we can't let them earn trust on little things, so it ends up taking a very long time to get to know them before we can give out what should be a basic access level.

The biggest shame is that it's been like this since POS was introduced, and no one has ever really considered the impact this has on new player retention.

Just imagine is a corp could recruit some guy who's trying out eve, give him access to blueprints and let the guy build frigates and cruisers from the corps BPO's, get people involved in an entirely different aspect of eve that otherwise, requires either their own investment and finding public slots or, creating their own alt corp.

Totally agreed.

On a related note, can you maybe add a full role revamp to this? For example, I would love to get a role that can boot members from corporation, that aren't directors or CEO's. In multi-thousand person corporations, this significant flaw in corporation management makes it hard to deal with troublemakers.

Might there be a chance that the very specific, very simple to fix problem described in this thread - that anyone can untraceably cancel corp industry jobs, when it should only be the job installer or a Director - gets fixed in Odessey?

I like to add few things that always annoyed me so much:

a) corporation hangars has only 7 tabs. For people living far from highsec and ussing POS is a nightmare, esspecially when you are about to recruit new people. Giving them access to tab 1 will give them access to other hangars tab 1 in other POS for example.