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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 31/12/2004 23:17:02
ok im in my deimos.
have 70% em and thermal resistance, 80+ kinetic and 58% explo.
using modal medium ions with iridium.
opti 5.5km
dmg mod 6. something
caps relay, med nost, PDU, accom med rep took up the other highs and lows.
web,warp scram, 10mn ab in meds.
now this prophecy is with a taranis and crow.
I warp in and make opti on the prophecy and open up.
the crow and taranis fire but do little. (2-7dmg).
now then the prophicy fires and kills half my shields.
not odd as im not tanked them.
im firing from opti and doing f all to the prophecy shields.
and nosting at the same time.
he reaches my armor second volly.
i have full tank on.
he kills me 3 vollys later in my opti.
i have not beaten his shields even.
my question is how?
i was on my turms range wise in a setup i had tanked a gankageddon in for 3min.
pls im not bothered by the loss but really need to know if a prophecy can pull with a general setup?
All i know is he got final blow with a heavy pulse 1.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 31/12/2004 23:17:02
ok im in my deimos.
have 70% em and thermal resistance, 80+ kinetic and 58% explo.
using modal medium ions with iridium.
opti 5.5km
dmg mod 6. something
caps relay, med nost, PDU, accom med rep took up the other highs and lows.
web,warp scram, 10mn ab in meds.
now this prophecy is with a taranis and crow.
I warp in and make opti on the prophecy and open up.
the crow and taranis fire but do little. (2-7dmg).
now then the prophicy fires and kills half my shields.
not odd as im not tanked them.
im firing from opti and doing f all to the prophecy shields.
and nosting at the same time.
he reaches my armor second volly.
i have full tank on.
he kills me 3 vollys later in my opti.
i have not beaten his shields even.
my question is how?
i was on my turms range wise in a setup i had tanked a gankageddon in for 3min.
pls im not bothered by the loss but really need to know if a prophecy can pull with a general setup?
All i know is he got final blow with a heavy pulse 1.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:38:00 -
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The only way i can see a prophecy beating a deimos is if it keeps you out of your optimal range via webbing. How much damage was the prophecy doing to your armor, i don't see how you can go down in 3 volleys with those resistances.
Sounds weird.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:38:00 -
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The only way i can see a prophecy beating a deimos is if it keeps you out of your optimal range via webbing. How much damage was the prophecy doing to your armor, i don't see how you can go down in 3 volleys with those resistances.
Sounds weird.
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Minuz1
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:52:00 -
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6* low slots.... check your logs for extreme damage.
The guy probably just ganked you.
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Minuz1
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:52:00 -
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6* low slots.... check your logs for extreme damage.
The guy probably just ganked you.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:52:00 -
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I was about to say that maybe the prophecy had it's lows full of damage mods, but apparently you would have been able to tank him longer, since you tanked a gankageddon....Unless....Was the gangageddon missing a lot when you tested your tank against it?
Besides, you used Iridium, while he was probably using multi-freq, so that may be a factor...
Still weird...
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.31 19:52:00 -
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I was about to say that maybe the prophecy had it's lows full of damage mods, but apparently you would have been able to tank him longer, since you tanked a gankageddon....Unless....Was the gangageddon missing a lot when you tested your tank against it?
Besides, you used Iridium, while he was probably using multi-freq, so that may be a factor...
Still weird...
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Aurelie Passero
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Posted - 2004.12.31 20:01:00 -
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And don't discount the Taranis and Crow -- maybe they won't do a lot of damage with each hit, but they'll do a -lot- of hits.
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Aurelie Passero
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Posted - 2004.12.31 20:01:00 -
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And don't discount the Taranis and Crow -- maybe they won't do a lot of damage with each hit, but they'll do a -lot- of hits.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.12.31 20:03:00 -
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i find it weird the taranis did little damage .
you took probably 30% of its damage , and these little
things deal tons of it.
even 30% thermal damage of both a taranis using AM
and proph using multifreqs with full damage setup will be
very painful.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.12.31 20:03:00 -
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i find it weird the taranis did little damage .
you took probably 30% of its damage , and these little
things deal tons of it.
even 30% thermal damage of both a taranis using AM
and proph using multifreqs with full damage setup will be
very painful.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.31 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 31/12/2004 20:14:36
if it was just the taranis and crow atleast i know its a mistake i made and can correct in future, but the raw dmg was lik none of the resistance was being taken into account.
just wan't to know if this is a game machanic thing or my usual crap piloting.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.31 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 31/12/2004 20:14:36
if it was just the taranis and crow atleast i know its a mistake i made and can correct in future, but the raw dmg was lik none of the resistance was being taken into account.
just wan't to know if this is a game machanic thing or my usual crap piloting.
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Amon Evakrace
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Posted - 2004.12.31 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Amon Evakrace on 31/12/2004 21:26:33
lol thats what you get for flying a deimos 
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Amon Evakrace
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Posted - 2004.12.31 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Amon Evakrace on 31/12/2004 21:26:33
lol thats what you get for flying a deimos
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Valan
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Posted - 2004.12.31 21:34:00 -
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With good skills a Prophecy coupled with 2 other ships can cause you problems.
On an NPC set up I have 3000 armour and 68%, 68%, 70%, 74% resistances and over 5 for dmg at a 4 sec rof on 6 weapons plus missiles and drones. This can run for ever with a cap recharge rate of 288 for 2250 cap. The T2 armour repairer can run for a while as well. There is 2187 shield and 2812 structure to add to that. Plus you had 2 other ships to contend with.
Its not an easy meal for anything less than a BS. If the prophecy was set for ganking you're not gonna last long.
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Valan
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Posted - 2004.12.31 21:34:00 -
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With good skills a Prophecy coupled with 2 other ships can cause you problems.
On an NPC set up I have 3000 armour and 68%, 68%, 70%, 74% resistances and over 5 for dmg at a 4 sec rof on 6 weapons plus missiles and drones. This can run for ever with a cap recharge rate of 288 for 2250 cap. The T2 armour repairer can run for a while as well. There is 2187 shield and 2812 structure to add to that. Plus you had 2 other ships to contend with.
Its not an easy meal for anything less than a BS. If the prophecy was set for ganking you're not gonna last long.
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Papermate
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:25:00 -
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ure setup looks wonky... why the hell are u using iridium with blasters? why u need a cpu mod tahts wasting a slot, why u not using a tech 2 armor rep? id be guessing a deimos setup is like:
5 electron 2's(M size)
1 med nos 2
10mn mwd, web, 20km scram
med rep tech 2
50% explosive
20 % to all
3 cap relays or 2 cap relays 1 dmg mod.
heavy and medium drones
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Papermate
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:25:00 -
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ure setup looks wonky... why the hell are u using iridium with blasters? why u need a cpu mod tahts wasting a slot, why u not using a tech 2 armor rep? id be guessing a deimos setup is like:
5 electron 2's(M size)
1 med nos 2
10mn mwd, web, 20km scram
med rep tech 2
50% explosive
20 % to all
3 cap relays or 2 cap relays 1 dmg mod.
heavy and medium drones
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.31 23:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Papermate
ure setup looks wonky... why the hell are u using iridium with blasters? why u need a cpu mod tahts wasting a slot, why u not using a tech 2 armor rep? id be guessing a deimos setup is like:
5 electron 2's(M size)
1 med nos 2
10mn mwd, web, 20km scram
med rep tech 2
50% explosive
20 % to all
3 cap relays or 2 cap relays 1 dmg mod.
heavy and medium drones
Sry bout that was not a cpu.
It was a darkblood PDU.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.12.31 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Papermate
ure setup looks wonky... why the hell are u using iridium with blasters? why u need a cpu mod tahts wasting a slot, why u not using a tech 2 armor rep? id be guessing a deimos setup is like:
5 electron 2's(M size)
1 med nos 2
10mn mwd, web, 20km scram
med rep tech 2
50% explosive
20 % to all
3 cap relays or 2 cap relays 1 dmg mod.
heavy and medium drones
Sry bout that was not a cpu.
It was a darkblood PDU.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.12.31 23:30:00 -
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the taranis and crow are strong, I doubt they were really dishing out as little damage as you saw. You must have caught the smaller hits in your log.
You probably should've killed the taranis first, then the crow, then left.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.12.31 23:30:00 -
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the taranis and crow are strong, I doubt they were really dishing out as little damage as you saw. You must have caught the smaller hits in your log.
You probably should've killed the taranis first, then the crow, then left.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.01.01 00:39:00 -
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ya, im sure the taranis and crow caused you a lot more grief than you log showed, even though you were in a heavy assault, a nicely setup taranis can still do a helpful amount of damage, and I'm sure the crow coulda just as well, along with the prophecy to help, the three of them prolly just way overwhelmed you, especially if the proph was setup for pure damage |
Rodge
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Posted - 2005.01.01 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
Sry bout that was not a cpu.
It was a darkblood PDU.
It was a True Sansha PDU and it was my Crow that was doing all the damage 
Seriously though, as you can guess the Prophecy was setup to do damage and you did get right to his optimal range. I wasn't really that suprised to see your shield disappear quickly, but I was shocked with the speed your armor evaporated. The taranis had warped out at the start, don't think he even got a shot on you (he wasn't on the killmail). By the time he eventually got back, you were hitting structure. I'm sure my missiles did some appreciable damage to you, but there's no doubt the Prophecy was doing the hard work.
Even though we won the day, I still think that stacking of damage mods should carry some kind of penalty.
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:42:00 -
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personally I have had a feeling that in eve something calculates what and how many u are up against.... but then again I just killed a BS megathron in my Ishkur solo tday....
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Captin Biltmore
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Posted - 2005.01.01 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Captin Biltmore on 01/01/2005 05:17:14
Did he pack drones? How about heavy missiles? Your resistances are low to explosives. Post the combat log here and I can tell you more.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2005.01.01 11:13:00 -
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Ganking setup.
Fair revenge for a combined Fairimear and CCP vs Iratus taking down my Deimos :) j/k
The taranis and crow fire so fast that you don't log everything btw, they were hurting.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.01.01 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
The taranis and crow fire so fast that you don't log everything btw, they were hurting.
Yeah, in my log my hybrid gun fires so fast that it rarely even logs that my missiles are hitting at all, all I ever see is "125mm Scout hits for..." repeatedly and the odd "missile hits for...". But I do get killmails, so my missiles must be hitting.
Can't remember if Dylan had heavy drones, but he definitely did have drones out.
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AnNiHiLuS
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Posted - 2005.01.01 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
Edited by: fairimear on 31/12/2004 23:17:02
i was on my turms range wise in a setup i had tanked a gankageddon in for 3min.
 doubt an apoc could
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.01.01 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
Ganking setup.
Fair revenge for a combined Fairimear and CCP vs Iratus taking down my Deimos :) j/k
The taranis and crow fire so fast that you don't log everything btw, they were hurting.
lol. my under estimation of the prophecy.
o well 2 HAC's lost and 2 killed im on even ration. :D
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Kerm
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Posted - 2005.01.02 18:31:00 -
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A few month back i was exiting a station in a Raven, to do some combat training with my corp mate, he was in a megathron testing out tachyon beam lasers, he opened fire on me & within 3 shots, i was down full shields and 1/4 of my armour had gone. This happened to me again with NPC and i was lucky not to go boom, i submitted a bug report but didnt hear anything of it again, i hope this is not a re-occurance, as it could be what helped gank your ship quickly.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.01.02 18:46:00 -
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Happened to an old corp m8 of mine, he had an Apoc (with its godly tank) and was doing some npcing, I was watching as his shield fell like normal and his armour just vanished totally, never seen an Apoc go pop so fast lol.
Might be a similar bug.
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.01.02 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Happened to an old corp m8 of mine, he had an Apoc (with its godly tank) and was doing some npcing, I was watching as his shield fell like normal and his armour just vanished totally, never seen an Apoc go pop so fast lol.
Might be a similar bug.
that might explain why I lost my apoc to ncping few weeks ago, was tanking two sanshas bs's and I think 2 or 3 crusiers, no biggie.
I was watching one of the bs's go down, slowly and the same second I was expecting the bs to go down I exploded. Was quite a surprise.
I was kinda drunk at the moment so I'm not sure if I forgot to turn on one repairer
but I'm fairly sure I did
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2005.01.02 22:59:00 -
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One more thing to consider as it has happened to me.
If you dock with armor/hull damage and don't repair it, sometimes when you undock and no matter how many jumps you travel it shows as you're 100%. 
Ofcourse with the very first armor hit it starts displaying properly ... that happened with my deimos as well but thankfuly I was only at 50% or so armor vs wussy npc's...
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.01.02 23:15:00 -
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The crow and taranis probably had more to do with your death than you think.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.01.03 05:25:00 -
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Focused Pulses and heavy pulses can dish out a terrific amount of damage. Any kind of pulse do, from the small to the large.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.03 05:59:00 -
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That's sort of interesting. Earlier today I went to test a new Sacrilege setup against a corpmate's Apocalypse. At first I was tanking all his damage output without so much as batting an eye, then a split second later my armor is gone and I'm down to half structure.
Maybe we've stumbled upon a new bug.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2005.01.03 08:11:00 -
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I doubt the crow had much to do with the killing. I can tank a crow in an Enyo easily, and as it appears the taranis didn't really do anything, it must have been the prophesy. I'd guess that either it was setup with all HS2s or my boy fairi was the victim of a bug. I'd guess it was a bug because I don't see even a all HS2 prophesy being able to kill a Deimos in ~5 volleys.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.01.03 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
Even though we won the day, I still think that stacking of damage mods should carry some kind of penalty.
Uhh, it does.
See also: Stacking Penalty
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2005.01.03 10:51:00 -
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i fly a cerberus and a crow and a crusader chose to attack me i had them both killed before my sheilds were lower then 95% and my booster was not on, nore did i even web the crow (1800m/s missiles caught him). next time remove the inty's first as you can prolly kill them as fast as i could then move to the larger ship. they do damage, but you can kill them so fast that there damage should be negligable. better luck next time
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2005.01.03 10:56:00 -
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Could be a bug.
I think a corp mate lost an Eagle to three torps. Looking at the damage it was as if he had no resistances at all, and only a fraction of the hp the ship is supposed to have (the guy who fired also said he only fired three torps).
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Kalhystia
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Posted - 2005.01.03 11:31:00 -
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I lost my prophecy once when I was doing lvl3 deadspace missions, missions I used to do without any problem.
I was usually able to tank most of the npcs cruisers, then all my armor went down in a second then BOOM... no more ship and wallet glowing.
And I noticed that sometimes when you log out/dock with structure damage without repairing it the UI still shows 100% structure even if you get 12% structure left 
So yeah I think that's a bug.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.01.03 13:58:00 -
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apart from the setup, which sounds kinda gimped (iridium in blasters? WTF? Get some antimatter in there and stop being a wus), id say it was prolly a bug. My enyo can tank a crow forever with 1 small tech2 repper so i cant see it being a problem for a deimos.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.01.03 14:51:00 -
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I had the same, killed a corpmate's Harpy with 3 Torpedos while testing some stuff, originally intending to scare him. He had full hp. That was two weeks ago, costed me 23m. I thought it was my own stupidity in overestimating his ship but as I read this thread I calculated the damage and came to the conclusion that I could not have killed him.
I was using Infernos, his ship should've held that. A lvl 5 torp on a Hary's shield does 112.5 damage. At lvl 4 the shield is 750hp big. I'd need 6.6 Torps for that. On armor it does 77.34375 per torpedo hit, with 390 hitpoints. I'd need 5 Torps for that. It was impossible for me to kill him with three torps, it would have taken two volleys. Unless his resistances would not apply.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.01.03 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The crow and taranis probably had more to do with your death than you think.
My thoughts as well.
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Epofhis
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Posted - 2005.01.03 18:19:00 -
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I also noticed a similar bug when npc hunting, I can normally tank 2x 1 mil blood spawns w/ ease, and one time they actually took me into armor, using the exact same tactics as i normally use w/ exact same setup and the two of them had me into armor relitavely fast , although i dont doubt that the crow does good damage w/ a propechy tho, just maybe not that quickly, my rax w/ normal resits, lasted against a inty gank sqaud of 6 fer atleast 5-8 mins only w/ 1600 plate
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.01.03 18:58:00 -
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Wait, so 6 torps shouldn't kill an Assault Frigate?
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Directive
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Posted - 2005.01.03 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sangxianc
Wait, so 6 torps shouldn't kill an Assault Frigate?
Inferno is the worst torp to use against (unhardened) Caldari AS/HAS, 86.25% armor/80% shield resistances. Bane's would work pretty well I suppose.
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