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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:01:00 -
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Currently only one industrial ship has 5 low slots, and that's the Iteron Mark V. It simply outclasses all other industrial ships available. Now shouldn't all races have an industrial ship with 5 low slots?
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses, but this lack of balance with low slots needs to be addressed.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:01:00 -
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Currently only one industrial ship has 5 low slots, and that's the Iteron Mark V. It simply outclasses all other industrial ships available. Now shouldn't all races have an industrial ship with 5 low slots?
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses, but this lack of balance with low slots needs to be addressed.
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Buraken
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:24:00 -
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 Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
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Buraken
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:24:00 -
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I want T2 Indys 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.12.31 22:24:00 -
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I want T2 Indys
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.12.31 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken
Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
Wrong.
Weakness/strengths as in +/- 1-2k m3 cargo room, differing amounts of armor/grid/cap etc.
NOT 4 vs 5 low slots as in this is a HUGE difference. The slot difference gimps all other industrials in comparison with the Iteron Mark V...so much so, that there is absolutely no point in using ANY other industrial ship for serious hauling.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.12.31 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken
Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
Wrong.
Weakness/strengths as in +/- 1-2k m3 cargo room, differing amounts of armor/grid/cap etc.
NOT 4 vs 5 low slots as in this is a HUGE difference. The slot difference gimps all other industrials in comparison with the Iteron Mark V...so much so, that there is absolutely no point in using ANY other industrial ship for serious hauling.
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Johnson McCrae
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Posted - 2005.01.01 00:00:00 -
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mmmm, Elite Indy's (oops, didn't mean to let that out of the bag) 
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
[ 2004.10.09 02:50:23 ] (combat) Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guardian Sentry, wrecking for 747.3 damage.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.01.01 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: Buraken
Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
Wrong.
Weakness/strengths as in +/- 1-2k m3 cargo room, differing amounts of armor/grid/cap etc.
NOT 4 vs 5 low slots as in this is a HUGE difference. The slot difference gimps all other industrials in comparison with the Iteron Mark V...so much so, that there is absolutely no point in using ANY other industrial ship for serious hauling.
and if i wish to be safer ill continue to fly my battlebadger which can gimp and destroy frigates and interceptors.
its not always about what carries the most.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.01.01 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: Buraken
Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
Wrong.
Weakness/strengths as in +/- 1-2k m3 cargo room, differing amounts of armor/grid/cap etc.
NOT 4 vs 5 low slots as in this is a HUGE difference. The slot difference gimps all other industrials in comparison with the Iteron Mark V...so much so, that there is absolutely no point in using ANY other industrial ship for serious hauling.
Yet 3/4th of every hauler is a Bestower. You DO know it takes over a month of training time to fly an IteronV dont you? Coz it does. The IteronV is only for hauling alts and serious traders / haulers.
/Elve
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Johnson McCrae
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Posted - 2005.01.01 00:08:00 -
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My main trained Gal Indy 5 in 26 days, has an MWD on it too.
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
[ 2004.10.09 02:50:23 ] (combat) Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guardian Sentry, wrecking for 747.3 damage.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: Buraken
Originally by: StinkFinger
Obviously each race will have their strengths and weaknesses,
You have answered your own question
If you wann ahave a 5 lowslot industrial ship, go get a Iteron Mark V
Wrong.
Weakness/strengths as in +/- 1-2k m3 cargo room, differing amounts of armor/grid/cap etc.
NOT 4 vs 5 low slots as in this is a HUGE difference. The slot difference gimps all other industrials in comparison with the Iteron Mark V...so much so, that there is absolutely no point in using ANY other industrial ship for serious hauling.
Yet 3/4th of every hauler is a Bestower. You DO know it takes over a month of training time to fly an IteronV dont you? Coz it does. The IteronV is only for hauling alts and serious traders / haulers.
And what's wrong with giving serious haulers another option besides an Iteron V? Like a bestower II, or a Mammoth II, etc. etc.
And I do know that elite industrial ships are coming soon...but why do you need a tech 2 ship to compete with a tech 1 ship? It's a rather stupid arguement against taking a serious look at the current crop of industrials and tweaking them a bit.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.01.01 01:26:00 -
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in order to be patriotic, i want to have a badger which can at least compete with the mk5.
atm i'm forced to use gallente ships due to the Caldari indys' crappiness 
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.01.01 01:49:00 -
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I don't have a problem with different races having different industrials with different abilities and one race being better than the others. I've only Caldari industrial 3 myself btw (not that I haul a lot).
Each race has their own strengths. Caldari have EW, Amarr their tanking ability, Minmatar fly ships that look like they're about to fall apart and Gallente have the most drone/cargo space.
Sounds balanced enough to me 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2005.01.01 01:57:00 -
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a mammoth takes 3 days to trian for
has 2 highs, lots of mids, and 4 lows
can mount a 10mn mwd
can gimp and kill frigs/inties
and can when set for pure haulage, carry just under half a jetcan
and that, with minmatar indy 4
trian minmatar indy 5, and it can take at least half a jetcan
it's almost as good as an inty5, and iirc, faster too
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
I don't have a problem with different races having different industrials with different abilities and one race being better than the others. I've only Caldari industrial 3 myself btw (not that I haul a lot).
Each race has their own strengths. Caldari have EW, Amarr their tanking ability, Minmatar fly ships that look like they're about to fall apart and Gallente have the most drone/cargo space.
Sounds balanced enough to me
Industrial ships were designed to carry cargo, not to tank, EW, etc. Using these ships for anything other then hauling is a waste of time.
The bottom line is that Iteron V outclasses all other industrial ships available by a HUGE margin due to its 1 extra low slot. This needs to be addressed.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liz Bathory
a mammoth takes 3 days to trian for
has 2 highs, lots of mids, and 4 lows
can mount a 10mn mwd
can gimp and kill frigs/inties
and can when set for pure haulage, carry just under half a jetcan
and that, with minmatar indy 4
trian minmatar indy 5, and it can take at least half a jetcan
it's almost as good as an inty5, and iirc, faster too
It's still carries 27.33%+ less then an Iteron V. Now if it carried 5-10% less, and such a ship existed for the other races, then there wouldn't be a reason to complain about it.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: Liz Bathory
a mammoth takes 3 days to trian for
has 2 highs, lots of mids, and 4 lows
can mount a 10mn mwd
can gimp and kill frigs/inties
and can when set for pure haulage, carry just under half a jetcan
and that, with minmatar indy 4
trian minmatar indy 5, and it can take at least half a jetcan
it's almost as good as an inty5, and iirc, faster too
It's still carries 27.33%+ less then an Iteron V. Now if it carried 5-10% less, and such a ship existed for the other races, then there wouldn't be a reason to complain about it.
it's still easyer to train. due to that simple thing, it's considered the 2nd best hauler.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/01/2005 02:21:06
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: StinkFinger
Originally by: Liz Bathory
a mammoth takes 3 days to trian for
has 2 highs, lots of mids, and 4 lows
can mount a 10mn mwd
can gimp and kill frigs/inties
and can when set for pure haulage, carry just under half a jetcan
and that, with minmatar indy 4
trian minmatar indy 5, and it can take at least half a jetcan
it's almost as good as an inty5, and iirc, faster too
It's still carries 27.33%+ less then an Iteron V. Now if it carried 5-10% less, and such a ship existed for the other races, then there wouldn't be a reason to complain about it.
it's still easyer to train. due to that simple thing, it's considered the 2nd best hauler.
I'd just like the another 5 slot lvl 5 industrial skill option besides a Gallente ship. IMHO, each race should get a 5 low slot ship (not exactly) like an Iteron V.
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Pramas
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:19:00 -
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i fail to see the point here, if u want the best hauler, train the 18 days or so, its like any battleship, some are better than others, if u want it , train it, simple as that
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Black 1
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pramas
i fail to see the point here, if u want the best hauler, train the 18 days or so, its like any battleship, some are better than others, if u want it , train it, simple as that
/signed
The reason it is better than all the rest is because u need lvl 5 indy to fly the damn thing.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/01/2005 02:25:25
Well from a roleplay perspective, why would an Amarrian slave trader who wants to move the greatest amount of cargo he can ever train for a Gallente ship?
From a normal gameplay perspective, what's the harm with each race have a 5 low-slot level 5 skill industrial ship available to them?
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Black 1
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/01/2005 02:25:25
Well from a roleplay perspective, why would an Amarrian slave trader who wants to move the greatest amount of cargo he can ever train for a Gallente ship?
From a normal gameplay perspective, what's the harm with each race have a 5 low-slot level 5 skill industrial ship available to them?
The Bestower is like the 2nd or 3rd best indy out there and its a lvl 1 indy. and in normal Gameplay persective why train lvl 5 gallente indys for 1 low slot.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:29:00 -
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The bestower is the 3rd best.
And that extra low slot gives you 27.33% (or so) more cargo.
Which is rather significant when considering the only function for these ships is to move cargo.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.01 02:43:00 -
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Stinkfinger is right, why should any race have any sort of advantage?
I want my megathron to have 6 Missile launcher slots!
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.01.01 03:02:00 -
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So... can anybody possibly enlighten me on the tech 2 industrial ships by any chance? :)
I'm curious now! What are their stats?
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2005.01.01 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Stinkfinger is right
Yes I am, thanks.
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Janos Audron
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Posted - 2005.01.01 03:47:00 -
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gallente excel in things like trading, so would need the better indy...
along a storyline perspective if they excel at it, then that would mean there was a demand, so a company would take up creating the design, whereas the others don't have that need, so no company would profit from designing a better indy.
as for y should ur race suffer by comparison, u made ur choice of race at the start, and get ur advantages in the other areas.
as for that extra low slot giving u that extra 27.44% cargo, that is also at the cost and perhaps risk of using a very expensive (aswell as the already expensive ones u have on) cargo expander...
now considering ur willing to spend all this money/time to get these expanders, surely ur choice should have been made earlier on of going for gallente indy instead.
and as ppl have said, it doesn't take too long to get the other indies, so if u then went entirely for the iteron V, it wouldn't b an extreme addition to the time that those who already went for iteron V have done.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.01.01 03:51:00 -
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The bestower is lovely because you can fly it almost immediately. With the iteron V you have to take into account just how slow and cumbersome it is. It's possible that a smaller ship could even move cargo faster and efficiently due to their speed. Certainly this counts more for asteroid belt operations and survivability than it does for station to station trips.
C'est la vie.
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