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Cybarite Gallente YARRRDIES Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.29 07:54:00 - [151] Originally by: Purrp Ledone Originally by: Numbers01 Edited by: Numbers01 on 28/09/2010 22:42:25 Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Neo Berry If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications? Well now, here I can only defer to our esteemed chief diplomat when he stated: "As stated individual member corps in BCA need to contact me or any of our diplos ASAP. Don't panic, don't firesale your stuff, just relax and we'll work this out. " Well, I see that his diplomatic ways worked...BCA as an Alliance left Dek. The only ones to stay were the traitors that wanted power for themselves. Even those that didn't want to stay in BCA AND were not traitorous are leaving Dek completely. If you ask me, this is a sure sign that maybe goons screwed the pooch. Goons actually accepting this is yet to be told. As far as not supporting Goons with Evoke, Im pretty sure that it voted not to continue the war by other major alliances in Dek i.e. TNT, OWN. Where is the swift hammer for them? Perhaps Goons picked on lil ole' BCA cause they acted like a 5 year child that was just threated to have his toy taken away from them. Go on with your bad self goons. I look foward to seeing you on the other side. At least I knew Evoke was the enemy...gotta give them a bit of respect for that. Goons...sorry that you live by a lonely existance. (me, myself and I) Brings up a fond memory of Finding Nemo "Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine" P.s. Landfill...Im coming for you ;) Can someone translate this for me? It boils down to "I have no idea how small I am and how little I matter" I love seeing ships explode and knowing that someone somewhere is screaming at their computer
PipingHotCookies Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.29 08:09:00 - [152] Originally by: Kail Storm (Some mouthpoop) Cripes. I thought I was a horrible poster.
Kail Storm Caldari Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.29 08:26:00 - [153] Originally by: PipingHotCookies Originally by: Kail Storm (Some mouthpoop) Cripes. I thought I was a horrible poster. You still are dont worry. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Pistolero Quevedo Gallente Frontier Explorations Inc. Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.29 11:01:00 - [154] Originally by: Mark Hadden Originally by: Pistolero Quevedo - Mark Hadden dropping Republic Fleet Warp disruptors more often that any Officer Spawns. He was BCA favorite Officer Spawn. He did kicked some butts thou. how many people shared that poor one disruptor (if it dropped at all)?? :-D :-D :-D You're really good at ur Purifier Mark, trigger happy biache, i'll give you that. I have to tell you man the first time they finally got you when i saw your kill mail i said to the dudes "He sure pimps his ride". I mean 250M Purifier that's really funny man, effective, but still funny. Cheers!!!!!
Vile rat Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.29 12:08:00 - [155] Originally by: Numbers01 Well, I see that his diplomatic ways worked...BCA as an Alliance left Dek. The only ones to stay were the traitors that wanted power for themselves. Even those that didn't want to stay in BCA AND were not traitorous are leaving Dek completely. If you ask me, this is a sure sign that maybe goons screwed the pooch. Goons actually accepting this is yet to be told. As far as not supporting Goons with Evoke, Im pretty sure that it voted not to continue the war by other major alliances in Dek i.e. TNT, OWN. Where is the swift hammer for them? Perhaps Goons picked on lil ole' BCA cause they acted like a 5 year child that was just threated to have his toy taken away from them. Go on with your bad self goons. I look foward to seeing you on the other side. At least I knew Evoke was the enemy...gotta give them a bit of respect for that. Goons...sorry that you live by a lonely existance. (me, myself and I) Brings up a fond memory of Finding Nemo "Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine" P.s. Landfill...Im coming for you ;) All this backseat diplomatin' goin on. Fun fact: When we first contacted TNT when moving to Dek we were greeted with "We hate you". They are still in Deklein. We made an effort to reach out and now that's been changed to "We kinda hate you". Also both TNT and OWN have more resources in Deklein than BCA did and both will remain in Deklein. I don't know how better to answer your flailing responses than with the simple truth on this one. There is no grand plan to kick anybody out, there was no incident fabricated in order to get that awesome station with fantastic truesec that we absolutely had to have for our collection (when we took 85- it completed my bingo scoresheet but I swear that was just tangential). If anybody has a real question, I'd be happy to answer it. If you are a BCA corp who hasn't been contacted then please contact "Tector" directly in game. He's been making an effort to reach out and make sure you guys land on your feet.
Interstate LoveSong Caldari Stone Temple Pilotz	Posted - 2010.09.29 16:40:00 - [156] Killing mark hadden was better than ratting. One good mark hadden kill per week was all the isk I needed.
Altaica Amur Gallente The Elliance	Posted - 2010.09.29 19:53:00 - [157] I have a fairly challenging time picking sides in this because on one hand BCA are a good group of guys and I don't know enough goons personally to feel good or bad about it. On the other hand I do know that Numanor is dumb enough to do this, probably dumber then you even think if all you know of him is described in this thread. My best guess/conclusion is that Numanor's dumbness got him and his alliance into trouble and Goon/TEST looked out for number one and made sure that trouble stuck to him. That said I don't think Goon/TEST are injured parties in any way here, probably right but in no way negatively impacted on the scale that BCA is, largely it's BCA paying for having dumb leadership. I'd say TnT and OWN shouldn't have anything to worry about so long as they don't have leadership that dumb but with the pattern developing for small alliances renting in Dek.... well it wouldn't be a bad thing to have your heavy gear packed.
Vile rat Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.29 20:09:00 - [158] Originally by: Altaica Amur I have a fairly challenging time picking sides in this because on one hand BCA are a good group of guys and I don't know enough goons personally to feel good or bad about it. On the other hand I do know that Numanor is dumb enough to do this, probably dumber then you even think if all you know of him is described in this thread. My best guess/conclusion is that Numanor's dumbness got him and his alliance into trouble and Goon/TEST looked out for number one and made sure that trouble stuck to him. Confirmed. Quote: That said I don't think Goon/TEST are injured parties in any way here, probably right but in no way negatively impacted on the scale that BCA is, largely it's BCA paying for having dumb leadership. Not finding a lot to disagree with here. Quote: I'd say TnT and OWN shouldn't have anything to worry about so long as they don't have leadership that dumb And they don't. Quote: but with the pattern developing for small alliances renting in Dek.... well it wouldn't be a bad thing to have your heavy gear packed. I don't see how a one time occurance equals a pattern but ok.
Rastino Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.29 20:23:00 - [159] Originally by: Kail Storm Test ALli or Dreddit is horribad and if not for there catchy name would not have the 1500 Newb members the NC needs to use as meat shields. I miss the days of 500 Newbs in Maut area, no literally 500 Trial alts attacking and being slaughtered by the bushell...Oh wait it was only like 5 months ago. Im sorry to BCA but honestly Goons has never nor will ever be known for having "E-Honor" so why would you expect it? Also its true MM and Razor dont want there small bit<h alliances to have power and one dy start asking for more space or infringne on there ISK Printing presses, it should be clear by now that NC is just 3 Alli`s who control the rest and promise them "FUll Tier 1" membership if they stay faithful to the cause, LOL it a Giant pyramid scheme that for some reason still works. There are some very talented NC Pilots but as a whole they use Meatshields and bring there super caps from the Moons that you smaller Alli`s hold space for. BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space. NC runs off the fact that small ALli`s hope to become bigger and one day great but it wont happen, Test will never ever be MM or Razor. So give up that fantasy. NC works from top to Bottom, MM Razor didnt want to fight goons and possibly have others like PL etc join the fight because they would lose, so they gave them full Membership, now they 3 have pets, then MH, ME, RAGE, now Test are all masters of there domains but still take orders from the Top but they run there little pets, Demon Hunters, Fidelis Con, Space Monkeys etc. 1/2 those wil lbe wiped out or absorbed like looney toons and in 1 year they will be eligible to get pets of there own. Can you say Bernie Madoff its the same damn scam except the top alli`s are always gonna stay and instead of paying them , Pets have to hold space the the "big 3" dont want but not the Moons. Smart its what the Romans did. But 1 Day the Huns/Goths will unite ad push em out. U sound mad bro. Did someone forget to invite you to the prom?
Altaica Amur Gallente The Elliance	Posted - 2010.09.29 21:20:00 - [160] Quote: I don't see how a one time occurance equals a pattern but ok. It wouldn't but BCA was preceded in this pattern of fail by Defy who had epically stupid leadership

Sroasa Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.30 01:03:00 - [161] Originally by: Rastino Originally by: Kail Storm Test ALli or Dreddit is horribad and if not for there catchy name would not have the 1500 Newb members the NC needs to use as meat shields. U sound mad bro. Did someone forget to invite you to the prom? Shhh. He knows our secret! BTW "... and if not for their catchy name ..."
De'Nab Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.09.30 11:15:00 - [162] You sound bitter bro. Its not our fault you forgot to pay your rent to TCF and then acted like a bunch of children that didnÆt get their lollypop. When the call came for you to get the boot I cracked open the champagne and smiled. I for one thought that TCF had given you way to rope thankfully you where stupid enough to hang yourself with that rope. By the way how is empire life working out for you? Bitter? Me? Not at all. As I said, Eve is just a game, a distraction from RL. Couple of points though; 1.Defi4nt had already paid tcf in full 2. Where did you go to school? Your parents should ask for the money back as your grammar is appalling. 3. Empire life is lovely thanks. It's where I go to deliver mins after a hard day's wormhole mining. The pvp players in alliance are still in nullsec though, in case you were wondering :)
Delc Caldari DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.30 12:23:00 - [163] -----------------INTEL ONLY------------------ [center]
Murauke Caldari EvE Rookie Collective EvE Rookie Collective Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.30 12:24:00 - [164] Who cares we all know deklien is cursed, I mean every alliance that has occupied it has at some point enploded... I give it 10 months until deklien is in someone elses hands.
Kalunmaar Amarr SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.30 13:00:00 - [165] Originally by: Murauke Who cares we all know deklien is cursed, I mean every alliance that has occupied it has at some point enploded... I give it 10 months until deklien is in someone elses hands. knowing Goons, this will probably be sooner.
Murauke Caldari EvE Rookie Collective EvE Rookie Collective Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:01:00 - [166] Edited by: Murauke on 30/09/2010 14:08:46 lets hope you don't... you have some of the best assets in the game - i know this becuase of the "head banging" against the wall with TCF i had 8 months back..It was the main reason I left Defy at the time - we saw the relationship with TCF was becoming sour, We had enough good people willing to work hard to expand the alliance but we were constained despite feeling we deserved more. (The cloud ring campaign was something we shouldn't had done but hey - we tried) My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap. And I believe that is where it started to go sour. All I will say is Defi4nt and BCA tried to become a force but in my opinion the leaders and the overloads let the habitants down. I know its business but those who work together and create a "marriage" type partnership are the ones that survive, in that I mean a Win-Win situation where both parties win. Relationships that create a Win-Loss situation are not true partnerships and the so called "looser" will in the end create a no-going back situation like Num and Goons and Redia and DA did. At times the NC Nap train is just like watching a good Soap, it may be napped - but there is enough political BS to keep the most unpolitical of people entertained.
Rick Rothsar Minmatar Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.30 15:05:00 - [167] Originally by: Delc -----------------INTEL ONLY------------------
Rastino Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.09.30 15:15:00 - [168] Originally by: De'Nab You sound bitter bro. Its not our fault you forgot to pay your rent to TCF and then acted like a bunch of children that didnÆt get their lollypop. When the call came for you to get the boot I cracked open the champagne and smiled. I for one thought that TCF had given you way to rope thankfully you where stupid enough to hang yourself with that rope. By the way how is empire life working out for you? Bitter? Me? Not at all. As I said, Eve is just a game, a distraction from RL. Couple of points though; 1.Defi4nt had already paid tcf in full 2. Where did you go to school? Your parents should ask for the money back as your grammar is appalling. 3. Empire life is lovely thanks. It's where I go to deliver mins after a hard day's wormhole mining. The pvp players in alliance are still in nullsec though, in case you were wondering :) You make me LOL 1. No you didnÆt pat TCF that was why you where reset 2. Yes my gramma sucks English is not my first language 3. PVP in Defi4nt. I find that hard to believe. U mad bro?
Altaica Amur Gallente The Elliance	Posted - 2010.09.30 17:01:00 - [169] Quote: lets hope you don't... you have some of the best assets in the game - i know this becuase of the "head banging" against the wall with TCF i had 8 months back..It was the main reason I left Defy at the time - we saw the relationship with TCF was becoming sour, We had enough good people willing to work hard to expand the alliance but we were constained despite feeling we deserved more. (The cloud ring campaign was something we shouldn't had done but hey - we tried) My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap. And I believe that is where it started to go sour. All I will say is Defi4nt and BCA tried to become a force but in my opinion the leaders and the overloads let the habitants down. I know its business but those who work together and create a "marriage" type partnership are the ones that survive, in that I mean a Win-Win situation where both parties win. Relationships that create a Win-Loss situation are not true partnerships and the so called "looser" will in the end create a no-going back situation like Num and Goons and Redia and DA did. At times the NC Nap train is just like watching a good Soap, it may be napped - but there is enough political BS to keep the most unpolitical of people entertained. Just... stop, there are many reasons why Defy is no longer in Dek and you listed none of them just BS defending a leadership that screwed it up for themselves and their alliance. Just as an example, the number of people in defy was never representative of it's actual online people or even more so their online and in fleet. During the CR campaign they were lucky to get a 30 man fleet going, I know because I was often one of those 30.
Lord Zim Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.30 17:23:00 - [170] What I remember the best from my 3-4 weeks in defi4nt was, threats of popping and podding of people who flew around in industrials when there were some reds reported somewhere in the intel channels. It was literally the worst 3-4 weeks I've ever spent in Eve, even including the initial few weeks I spent as a complete and lonely newbie, and redia/ms kypp did absolutely nothing to alleviate this, and it sounds like they didn't really improve all that much after I left either. I was giggling with glee when I heard they were getting tossed out of deklein.

Murauke Caldari EvE Rookie Collective EvE Rookie Collective Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.30 21:15:00 - [171] Originally by: Altaica Amur Quote: lets hope you don't... you have some of the best assets in the game - i know this becuase of the "head banging" against the wall with TCF i had 8 months back..It was the main reason I left Defy at the time - we saw the relationship with TCF was becoming sour, We had enough good people willing to work hard to expand the alliance but we were constained despite feeling we deserved more. (The cloud ring campaign was something we shouldn't had done but hey - we tried) My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap. And I believe that is where it started to go sour. All I will say is Defi4nt and BCA tried to become a force but in my opinion the leaders and the overloads let the habitants down. I know its business but those who work together and create a "marriage" type partnership are the ones that survive, in that I mean a Win-Win situation where both parties win. Relationships that create a Win-Loss situation are not true partnerships and the so called "looser" will in the end create a no-going back situation like Num and Goons and Redia and DA did. At times the NC Nap train is just like watching a good Soap, it may be napped - but there is enough political BS to keep the most unpolitical of people entertained. Just... stop, there are many reasons why Defy is no longer in Dek and you listed none of them just BS defending a leadership that screwed it up for themselves and their alliance. Just as an example, the number of people in defy was never representative of it's actual online people or even more so their online and in fleet. During the CR campaign they were lucky to get a 30 man fleet going, I know because I was often one of those 30. jesus man are you thick and stupid read the post again i do blame the leadership...
Altaica Amur Gallente The Elliance	Posted - 2010.09.30 23:11:00 - [172] Awfully strange way of doing it :p Quote: My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap.
Imigo Montoya Gallente Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.10.01 00:53:00 - [173] Originally by: Kail Storm BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space. Betrayed? Huh? I think your version of history is a little bit warped. I love it how people do that. The simple fact is that the NC is still around after how long now? Love it or hate it, it works.
Pirokobo Caldari Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.10.01 03:34:00 - [174] So, just to recap... Defy was evicted for a very simple reason. Non-payment. There's really no simpler way to put it, they owed the TCF money and they refused to pay. BCA was dismantled because Numenor played chicken with Goonswarm's directorate. Which ranks somewhere up there with bow hunting grizzly bears in terms of "things you could try but probably shouldn't".
Kail Storm Caldari Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.02 16:31:00 - [175] Originally by: Imigo Montoya Originally by: Kail Storm BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space. Betrayed? Huh? I think your version of history is a little bit warped. I love it how people do that. The simple fact is that the NC is still around after how long now? Love it or hate it, it works. It does work, in fact it gives me hope, we should now all sing WE ARE THE WORLD Had to do it I am one of those that hates it but it does work very well for what its purpose is. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me


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