Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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bca proposal
From: Numenor Balmenor
Sent: 2010.09.20 02:20
To: The Mittani,

Greetings Sir,

Black Core Alliance has reached a critical point in its development in terms of over-population and lack of strategic systems. We do our best to be as loyal as possible to the Deklien Coaliton in all ways, and work hard to maintain a strong presence in foriegn / domestic pvp.

To keep BCA stable, and growing we are in need of a few systems. The systems I have in mind that would greatly help BCA is E-FICO and 3QE. These systems are joined to BCA and would be the greatest asset to our alliance if acquired. We would be able to place jump bridges to 3QE which would allow us to cut-off any incoming hostile traffic into our triangle.

The issue of over-population has been a problem with BCA for a while, but not until recently has it become a urgent issue. We cannot grow without the aid of Goonswarm Federation and ask for support in our time of need. We have never asked for anything, and I will assure you that BCA will always be loyal to Deklein, because this is our home and we love it here.

Those two systems are the most critical portions that BCA needs. The topic of acquiring E3 / Lek are purely defensive to aid the Deklien Community with faster BCA response time and mobility. Of course all BCA jump bridges are availabel for use by any Deklien / NC member free of charge.

Also: BCA fully upgrades all of their systems with cyno jammers, etc. except for C7y, so capitals have a way to getting into BCA sov.

We would glady work around any logistical issue from Goonswarm Federation even if that means placing more jump bridges at your convience.

Nonetheless, BCA is trying to become a greater asset to the NC and the DC,
we've just reached our limits sadly. Thank you for your time, I appreciate everything you can do. Have a good day sir! o7

Respectfully
Numenor Balmenor
Executor of Black Core Alliance
CEO of Frontier Explorations Inc.


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Re: bca proposal
From: The Mittani
Sent: 2010.09.20 21:21
To: Numenor Balmenor,

I've consulted with Xttz. The reason we can't give you sov in the two systems you requested is that they have a significant money moon population (double R64s in each) and we need the beacons in those systems for both tower management and capital defense. That's strategic stuff and thus non-negotiable.

However, what I can do is extend BCA's rights into those systems and install any system upgrades you might want there. I can also grant you E3 or LEK, take your pick which you want. For upgrade installation it's easy to contact Xttz or any goonswarm diplomat to get in touch with our Logi types. We're happy to help your alliance get 'breathing room', but the fact is that you don't actually need the sov in those two systems to have that breathing room - you need rights to plex, upgrades, anoms, etc. That we can give you, happily.

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Bad News...
From: Numenor Balmenor
Sent: 2010.09.21 10:41
To: Fadedlurk, SKTLANDFILL, Townsaver80,

Hey Guys,

Well, it looks like my political endeavours have failed. We are not getting any more systems in Deklien ever again it seems. We have the ability to take E3 because it is realitively useless on the moon market. Here is The Mittani's response to my BCA proposal for E-FICO - 3QE.

*snip*

I am currently talking to Morus Mihi and Mostly Harmless about aquring new space. We will hopefully be acquiring more space where we can put a station. I will then split BCA forces most likely to each region. Goonswarm Federation will not be giving us more land in the future I can see, if they cannot sacrifice 2 systems that are very vital for us, then don't imagine others.

Well guys, there's the rump. BCA needs to make a decision soon on what to do. I do not want to be that alliance that is here becuase we live off of another's scraps.

Please send me your responses, it will give me something to think about, I can't believe all BCA has done for them to reject such an easy thing to make us happy, but it is EVE. long live BCA

Best,
Numenor Balmenor

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Originally by: illy velo

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This. Blows. I hope the member corps, loyal to the NC, that had no part in this political mess will be allowed to evacuate safely and soon.

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Originally by: illy velo

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This. Blows. I hope the member corps, loyal to the NC, that had no part in this political mess will be allowed to evacuate safely and soon.

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...Most of BCA are friends and wish to remain so, they will be granted the opportunity to continue to fight by our side to the best of our ability to accommodate this. I expect most will move to OWN or TNT and we will give our full encouragement and support in this.

Frontier Explorations Inc., NumenorÆs corp, will not be granted this courtesy and their assets will be locked in station until we are certain they will be unable to disturb our otherwise benevolent and peaceful station handover.

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Originally by: laks2

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Edited by: laks2 on 23/09/2010 16:30:03
did anybody expect anything different?

own and tnt should start packing their assets imo

the rzr-mm combo and their new goon buddies dont need the smaller entities atm to defend their turf. no atack in sight for the forseable future. so the nc heavyweights clean some space for themself. if they want you out they will find or construct an incident to get you out without looking to greedy.

rzr-mm and gooncombo have NO interest in the smaller alliances in the north getting powerful. they dominate the area completely and want to keep it that way. you should remember that every smaller entity in the north can be replaced within days by another alliance thats willing to lick the rzr and mm arses. you helped defend their space in the last war now u can go.

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Originally by: illy velo

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This. Blows. I hope the member corps, loyal to the NC, that had no part in this political mess will be allowed to evacuate safely and soon.

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Originally by: SavageBastard

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Now here's a man who knows his space politics. TEST you are next!

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Originally by: PipingHotCookies

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Originally by: SavageBastard

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Now here's a man who knows his space politics. TEST you are next!

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TEST is the only thing standing between you and the Guristas menace. It would be foolish to interrupt our great works in that campaign.

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Originally by: illy velo

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This. Blows. I hope the member corps, loyal to the NC, that had no part in this political mess will be allowed to evacuate safely and soon.

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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What a bizarre statement. Deklein already belongs to GSF and TEST. Everybody else there is a tenant. We don't need to take all of Dek, we already own it. Once one of our tenants decided they didn't want to deal with us anymore the path forward was crystal clear.

Wait Numenor didn't tell you guys that you owned the space outright did he? If he did that then he's a bigger scam artist than I thought and we might have a place for him after all.

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Originally by: LrdDrkHlmt

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I'm confused, BCA asks for more space, you say no. They starts talking to other NC about being their pets and you start killing them.


I guess you guys aren't BFF's after all. I wonder which pet will be next...

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Originally by: krishna218

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ok i am going to tell you all know that when you all think num said oh were not going to help goons if they dont give more system and that were going with tcf to get even more system is BULL**** what really happend was num asked if we can 'RENT' understand 'RENT' a few systems as bca was geting kind of to big for were we was atm also goons said in september they will give us some systems we waited for september then guess what it went by no systems bca was get ****ing packed and we was going to rent some space to breath you know take a step but then words get changed round E.G like chine's whisper.

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Originally by: krishna218

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ok i am going to tell you all know that when you all think num said oh were not going to help goons if they dont give more system and that were going with tcf to get even more system is BULL**** what really happend was num asked if we can 'RENT' understand 'RENT' a few systems as bca was geting kind of to big for were we was atm also goons said in september they will give us some systems we waited for september then guess what it went by no systems bca was get ****ing packed and we was going to rent some space to breath you know take a step but then words get changed round E.G like chine's whisper.

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Originally by: LrdDrkHlmt

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I'm confused, BCA asks for more space, you say no. They starts talking to other NC about being their pets and you start killing them.


I guess you guys aren't BFF's after all. I wonder which pet will be next...

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Originally by: krishna218

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ok i am going to tell you all know that when you all think num said oh were not going to help goons if they dont give more system and that were going with tcf to get even more system is BULL**** what really happend was num asked if we can 'RENT' understand 'RENT' a few systems as bca was geting kind of to big for were we was atm also goons said in september they will give us some systems we waited for september then guess what it went by no systems bca was get ****ing packed and we was going to rent some space to breath you know take a step but then words get changed round E.G like chine's whisper.

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Originally by: krishna218

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ok i am going to tell you all know that when you all think num said oh were not going to help goons if they dont give more system and that were going with tcf to get even more system is BULL**** what really happend was num asked if we can 'RENT' understand 'RENT' a few systems as bca was geting kind of to big for were we was atm also goons said in september they will give us some systems we waited for september then guess what it went by no systems bca was get ****ing packed and we was going to rent some space to breath you know take a step but then words get changed round E.G like chine's whisper.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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Originally by: krishna218

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ok i am going to tell you all know that when you all think num said oh were not going to help goons if they dont give more system and that were going with tcf to get even more system is BULL**** what really happend was num asked if we can 'RENT' understand 'RENT' a few systems as bca was geting kind of to big for were we was atm also goons said in september they will give us some systems we waited for september then guess what it went by no systems bca was get ****ing packed and we was going to rent some space to breath you know take a step but then words get changed round E.G like chine's whisper.

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Unintelligible. Can I get a translation?

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Originally by: monoclekrishna218

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Heretofore there have been a number of misunderstandings about the situation at hand. The operant public belief in this situation follows that Black Core Alliance (BCA) is not interested in assisting Goonswarm Federation (Goonswarm) in matters of regional defense if the aforementioned party did not relinquish complete control of several star systems, but rather will seek assistance from Tau Ceti Federation in their new campaign. This is false. BCA instead approached Goonswarm as their rightful rentier in the eyes of God and Nature and sought the purchase of rights for further systems. This followed a statement by Goonswarm in September responding to BCA's unprecedented growth, that they would grant access to further systems - BCA vowed to persevere and rent space from other holders- but instead those scoundrels responded with only betrayal and deceit such as that present in Mr. E.G. Chine's Whisper (ed.: I have no ****ing clue.)

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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You won the forums today good sir.

+1 test (who is keeping score?)

::stars a slow clap::

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Originally by: LrdDrkHlmt

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I'm confused, BCA asks for more space, you say no. They starts talking to other NC about being their pets and you start killing them.

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Originally by: UVPhoenix2

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LOL, what an idiot.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Originally by: UVPhoenix2

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LOL, what an idiot.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Originally by: Katsu Henrikki

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BCA Rank and File:
Please hold while the diplos sort this mess out. ThereÆs blood in the water and the Test Sharks (pleaseignore) are frenzied.

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Originally by: lan mandrahg

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Well, now that DT isn't spanking the -entire- North any more, I guess they need to spank each other to maintain their low efficiency. Good luck BCA/Goons/TEST. I'm going to laugh when TJ's old statement about "MM/RZR will soon reset everyone except Majesta." kicks in.

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Originally by: SavageBastard

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Originally by: garfield26

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because Goons want all of Dek... nothing else is the reason in my opinion. the BS what they say is just cover.

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Now here's a man who knows his space politics. TEST you are next!

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Originally by: Kavi Cinmay

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Yea, krishna218 You should think twice about believing what Numenor tells you. Even some of the coms that have been pasted in alliance mail is fake.
For the Goons. Yes.... yes it's true. He faked some coms and put it in alliance mail. :P

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Originally by: SILVERGUN SUPERMAN

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Greetings,

Currently Black Core Alliance is being sieged by Goonswarm Federation & Test Alliance Please Ignore. Our Sovereignty will be lost and our station taken, but please stay calm during this transition. I am currently doing everything in my power to resolve this issue and allow BCA members a [blue status] for the evacuation of assets.

Our plan of action at the present moment is to peacefully give them our Sovereignty in Deklien. I am working with outside Northern Coaltion allies to help secure BCA a future in the North. We have always been loyal to both the Northern Coaltion and the Deklien Coalition without a doubt, and I'm postive others have noticed. We are not alone in this, we have nearby friends that are assisting in negociations to help ease the transfer.

My recommendation to you all is to please stay safe! Do not undock or try to dock, please stay where you are until I can resolve the issues. I am requesting 48 hours from all corporations for me to resolve this.

I apologize for any harm this causes on anyone during this transition and you have my word that BCA will continue to be alive and moving forward. So, instead of making this mail very long, and it being the ripe time of 4:20am, please have faith in me. FEI leadership is doing their best to get this in the past as quickly as possible.

I must also advise you all to please not communicate with anyone outside of Black Core Alliance, this is a very troubling time, and we need to stick together on this one, no matter what. Corporation CEO's you will be targeted and contacted i'm sure, please use your best judgement in any decisions you make, I just ask you once again have trust in BCA.

As for the future of our wonderful alliance, we are looking at Venal for the time being. Our close friends Tau Ceti Federation currently live there atm and have opened their doors to us. TCF have been our allies for over 2 years now, and they have always been our closest NC ally, so next to TCF I have chosen BCA will stand.


Nonetheless, we need to be strong. :) Everything will be okay. I want to consider this next period of BCA's future to be a new beginning, I'm very sorry this happened, but it did, and we must live with it and do the best we can. Thank you all who decide to stay with BCA through this tragic period. There will be many incentives for corporations that are going to be staying with us, that I will talk to each CEO individually later about as well.

P.S. We are currently testing our new Ventrillo Server which should be fully operations within 24 hours. Our Killboard and Forums will follow soon after. Thank you all again, long live BCA!

Respectfully,
Numenor Balmenor
Executor of Black Core Alliance
CEO of Frontier Explorations Inc.

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Originally by: Crias Taylor

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Edited by: Crias Taylor on 23/09/2010 20:00:38

Originally by: LrdDrkHlmt

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I'm confused, BCA asks for more space, you say no. They starts talking to other NC about being their pets and you start killing them.


I guess you guys aren't BFF's after all. I wonder which pet will be next...

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Go back and read the mails. Not only did reconize you needed more space we were going to give you more then you asked for. We couldn't give up the sov as we needed it. You didn't need sov to rat in what we offered. So not only were you going to get more space you also wouldn't have had a a bigger sov bill.

You would have gained money at our cost. That's just how bad this one ****** ****ed BCA.

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Originally by: Helixios

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Edited by: Helixios on 24/09/2010 03:46:57
I believe Treason was what our Sky Marshal committed when he leaked the supposed "order" before it even solidified and got to the rest of the alliance for delegation.

Slandering our executor's name while he's been away mostly due to IRL responsibilities has lead to outright rebellion and destruction of the alliance as a whole it seems. I've been around FEI since I started the game and I've entrusted everything I've contributed to this game to FEI and BCA- I know my leadership, and I know my friends in the alliance. It will take far more than traitors and subterfuge to change my mind on this matter.

Considering this thread is composed of about 98 percent or so of the people who are currently most likely sitting right outside the station, armed to kill, I'll keep this short and sweet.

I enjoyed my time in Deklein living and fighting with our friends and neighbors of the Northern Coalition. I liked, and still rather like, Goons and Test, and if I remember correctly they rather enjoyed the company of BCA as well.

At any rate, I figured I'd put forth my two cents as, being a member of FEI, I am screwed anyways.

... and thanks for all the fish.

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Originally by: Innominate

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Sounds to me like Numenor wanted moons, and was using the proposed expansion of BCA space as an excuse to make it happen. BCA was offered every right in the systems requested EXCEPT for sov and moon control, even as far as being offered goons installing any upgrades he wanted. What was repeated to the BCA alliance was fabricated, pretending that the offer made did not exist, all in order to try and leverage more.

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Originally by: Propotkin

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Originally by: Innominate

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Sounds to me like Numenor wanted moons, and was using the proposed expansion of BCA space as an excuse to make it happen. BCA was offered every right in the systems requested EXCEPT for sov and moon control, even as far as being offered goons installing any upgrades he wanted. What was repeated to the BCA alliance was fabricated, pretending that the offer made did not exist, all in order to try and leverage more.

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I don't know about anybody else but I didnt know about any offer or counter offers etc, I knew BCA asked for more space but we never heard of what the reply was DOH!

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Originally by: Propotkin

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Originally by: Innominate

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Sounds to me like Numenor wanted moons, and was using the proposed expansion of BCA space as an excuse to make it happen. BCA was offered every right in the systems requested EXCEPT for sov and moon control, even as far as being offered goons installing any upgrades he wanted. What was repeated to the BCA alliance was fabricated, pretending that the offer made did not exist, all in order to try and leverage more.

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I don't know about anybody else but I didnt know about any offer or counter offers etc, I knew BCA asked for more space but we never heard of what the reply was DOH!

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Originally by: Innominate

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Sounds to me like Numenor wanted moons, and was using the proposed expansion of BCA space as an excuse to make it happen.

To all of you BCA who haven't been trying to **** us, thank you for your assistance and I hope you won't cling to one ******ed power/isk hungry moron. Up until this point, BCA has been a fantastic ally, and it'd suck to lose all of you from one greedy moron's actions.

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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You guys that do not seem to understand 'the goon mind' is that EVE is a critical thinking game. You know? The idea of critical thinking?

When you can not put puzzles together, you get ****d. BCA was offered 'land' and moron that turns around and says no systems were offered, is a COMPLETE LIE! See this is critical thinking... when you say, "BCA needs to rethink their participation in the war on with Evoke", because of a hissy fit for not getting the systems BCA wanted.

Also, yes, being Goonz sc**** eaters is a TERRIBLE way to think of yourself. Goonz have been through more in EVE than BCA ever has, has a BIG cap fleet and loads of guns and ships. And to think, oh this is a BAD thing, when in fact the Goons would have gladly protected BCA space at the same time Goons space.

As, soon as you stop thinking CRITICAL and say ******ed things, this ****es the Goons off and so like Parana they all at once eat you alive. Not because you are prey, but simply because you are STUPID in your diplomatic ways.

Goons are not chaotic, they are just critical thinkers and HATE stupidity.

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Edited by: Dy Morphin on 24/09/2010 19:50:32
You guys that do not seem to understand 'the goon mind' is that EVE is a critical thinking game. You know? The idea of critical thinking?

When you can not put puzzles together, you get ****d. BCA was offered 'land' and moron that turns around and says no systems were offered, is a COMPLETE LIE! See this is critical thinking... when you say, "BCA needs to rethink their participation in the war on with Evoke", because of a hissy fit for not getting the systems BCA wanted.

Also, yes, being Goonz sc**** eaters is a TERRIBLE way to think of yourself. Goonz have been through more in EVE than BCA ever has, has a BIG cap fleet and loads of guns and ships. And to think, oh this is a BAD thing, when in fact the Goons would have gladly protected BCA space at the same time Goons space.

As, soon as you stop thinking CRITICAL and say ******ed things, this ****es the Goons off and so like Parana they all at once eat you alive. Not because you are prey, but simply because you are STUPID in your diplomatic ways.

Goons are not chaotic, they are just critical thinkers and HATE stupidity.

BTW, Num told us in TS that he was NOT good at playing EVE. but was good at corp and diplo stuff. It is my belief that no Diplo or alliance leader need even apply if they are not military commander types. The ability to know that at anytime, if you do not know you have the man power and collective constructs to rally the troops in defense for war, you better watch EVERY SINGLE REMARK YOU MAKE.

After all, is this what a diplo is all about? WORDS? It is like a sniper being able to pull a trigger on the 50 cal but not taking the time to aim properly. You are bound to hit something else and fuk urself and all those you speak for in the process.

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Goons are not chaotic, they are just critical thinkers and HATE stupidity.

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Edited by: Dy Morphin on 24/09/2010 19:50:32
You guys that do not seem to understand 'the goon mind' is that EVE is a critical thinking game. You know? The idea of critical thinking?

When you can not put puzzles together, you get ****d. BCA was offered 'land' and moron that turns around and says no systems were offered, is a COMPLETE LIE! See this is critical thinking... when you say, "BCA needs to rethink their participation in the war on with Evoke", because of a hissy fit for not getting the systems BCA wanted.

Also, yes, being Goonz sc**** eaters is a TERRIBLE way to think of yourself. Goonz have been through more in EVE than BCA ever has, has a BIG cap fleet and loads of guns and ships. And to think, oh this is a BAD thing, when in fact the Goons would have gladly protected BCA space at the same time Goons space.

As, soon as you stop thinking CRITICAL and say ******ed things, this ****es the Goons off and so like Parana they all at once eat you alive. Not because you are prey, but simply because you are STUPID in your diplomatic ways.

Goons are not chaotic, they are just critical thinkers and HATE stupidity.

BTW, Num told us in TS that he was NOT good at playing EVE. but was good at corp and diplo stuff. It is my belief that no Diplo or alliance leader need even apply if they are not military commander types. The ability to know that at anytime, if you do not know you have the man power and collective constructs to rally the troops in defense for war, you better watch EVERY SINGLE REMARK YOU MAKE.

After all, is this what a diplo is all about? WORDS? It is like a sniper being able to pull a trigger on the 50 cal but not taking the time to aim properly. You are bound to hit something else and fuk urself and all those you speak for in the process.

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Originally by: Nabur Varkort

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BCA was a bloody good alliance. We had internal trust issues with Numenor for a long while and there were many CEOs who wanted him to step down. Some of us even told him to his face he was screwing it up and his response was to log off.

Townsaver, Fadedlurk, Sktlandfill, Thor Granger AND the guys in JSR1 worked their asses off to get BCA where it was. Sadly these kind of things will be overshadowed by the idiocy of one player.

The BCA members fleeted up, defended Dek, defended our own space and worked bloody hard for what we had. I'm proud to have been a part of BCA as it was.

We had the (sometimes grudging) respect of both reds and blues so I'm having a hard time understanding why Numenor felt the need to lie to us, take money for his own uses, and single handedly cause the failscape of BCA.

The guy is an idiot.

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Originally by: Sandro Munari

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So JSR1 how is Test working out....OH! nevermind.

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Originally by: UbaH

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Originally by: Sandro Munari

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So JSR1 how is Test working out....OH! nevermind.

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lolwut?

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Originally by: Dr Cheeto

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Originally by: UbaH

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Originally by: Sandro Munari

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So JSR1 how is Test working out....OH! nevermind.

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lolwut?

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Hey, why'd you guys go? We're cuter than goons!

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Originally by: Fadedlurk

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Bottom line is BCA had some sweet systems and it took very little for goons to find a reason to kick us out, then give BCA corps/members a place to stay while telling them that Num has been cheating them. It is clear they wanted the systems and BCA members just not BCA the alliance in those systems.

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Originally by: RareSpoons

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It seem's abit odd how goon drones know so much....or.....do they? O.o

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Originally by: RareSpoons

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It seem's abit odd how goon drones know so much....or.....do they? O.o

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Originally by: Fadedlurk

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I have been reading alot of the forums on how Num had lied to people stole funds and screwed over BCA. I will tell that is just not the case.
While I did not always see eye to eye with him Num always had the best interest of BCA in mind. Time and time again I'm reading that Num was ordering BCA to stop supporting goons in their efforts, but I fail to see any mail sent to the alliance or to goons saying this. Only a convo between himself and his Head diplo/pvp director about what BCA's .... blah

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications?

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Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications?

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Well now, here I can only defer to our esteemed chief diplomat when he stated: "As stated individual member corps in BCA need to contact me or any of our diplos ASAP. Don't panic, don't firesale your stuff, just relax and we'll work this out. "

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Originally by: Ackbarre

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Originally by: RareSpoons

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It seem's abit odd how goon drones know so much....or.....do they? O.o

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Our leadership might keep certain things a secret. But they don't lie to us.

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Ackbarre

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Originally by: RareSpoons

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It seem's abit odd how goon drones know so much....or.....do they? O.o

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Our leadership might keep certain things a secret. But they don't lie to us.

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Um, look how dumb you are?

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Blah Blah...Propaganda... Blah Blah...
But, what gets me about the good guys in BCA leadership (Towwns, Landfill and FadedLurk)...

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Originally by: Helixios

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Blah Blah...Propaganda... Blah Blah...
But, what gets me about the good guys in BCA leadership (Towwns, Landfill and FadedLurk)...

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Yeah, that's pretty much when I stopped listening. If you think SktLandfill's one of the good guys in this, then you probably just need to stop posting here.

You and yours were in this alliance for... what, 2 months? Num hasn't even been around all that much, and yet you claim to know him? Nah. What you know of Numenor Balmenor is what certain people have told you, and to be honest... You don't know him at all if you believe some of the things that have been said here.

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Originally by: Helixios

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Blah Blah...Propaganda... Blah Blah...
But, what gets me about the good guys in BCA leadership (Towwns, Landfill and FadedLurk)...

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Yeah, that's pretty much when I stopped listening. If you think SktLandfill's one of the good guys in this, then you probably just need to stop posting here.

You and yours were in this alliance for... what, 2 months? Num hasn't even been around all that much, and yet you claim to know him? Nah. What you know of Numenor Balmenor is what certain people have told you, and to be honest... You don't know him at all if you believe some of the things that have been said here.

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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Cuz we all make mistakes...right? Maybe Mittani would say F.O., you blew it! I can't look like a softy in front of my Goons! (This is extremely simplified, but you get the point.)

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Originally by: Dy Morphin

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:words:

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Originally by: The Mittani

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a lot of 'what mittens thinks' posts itt, kind of odd/creepy

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Originally by: Amarrian Cynicism

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While this all plays out, I'll just make one point. Station spinning sucks.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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If you are a former BCA corp (or existing one) who needs help getting reestablished in Deklein or in some friendly onward alliance your point of contact is "Tector" one of our diplomats. He'll make sure you're taken care of.

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Originally by: Ackbarre

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Originally by: RareSpoons

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It seem's abit odd how goon drones know so much....or.....do they? O.o

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Our leadership might keep certain things a secret. But they don't lie to us.

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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Edited by: DaiTengu on 28/09/2010 05:48:05

Originally by: Amarrian Cynicism

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While this all plays out, I'll just make one point. Station spinning sucks.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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If you are a former BCA corp (or existing one) who needs help getting reestablished in Deklein or in some friendly onward alliance your point of contact is "Tector" one of our diplomats. He'll make sure you're taken care of.

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not emptyquotin' this.


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Originally by: Ackbarre

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Originally by: RareSpoons

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It seem's abit odd how goon drones know so much....or.....do they? O.o

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Our leadership might keep certain things a secret. But they don't lie to us.

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This is bull****... You give me enough good, single malt scotch and I'll give you a year's worth of Illuminati logs.

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Originally by: Pistolero Quevedo

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Edited by: Pistolero Quevedo on 28/09/2010 05:56:41
Edited by: Pistolero Quevedo on 28/09/2010 05:52:15
I'm a complete and total f*ckhead.

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Originally by: Artemis97

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How about a special reserve bottle of 21 year old Lagavulin?

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Originally by: Viribus

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Originally by: Artemis97

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How about a special reserve bottle of 21 year old Lagavulin?

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You rich bastards, all I have is the 12 year old.

I can also pitch in a half-finished bottle of 18 year old Ardbeg.

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Originally by: Pistolero Quevedo

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- Mark Hadden dropping Republic Fleet Warp disruptors more often that any Officer Spawns. He was BCA favorite Officer Spawn. He did kicked some butts thou.

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Originally by: Helixios

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Love you, too, Arty.

Pretty heated reply for things that pretty generally held true.

We'll see in a month or so what becomes of the (formerly) BCA triangle. It'd be a total waste NOT to take advantage of it, if you ask me. I mean... You did go through all the trouble of kicking us out, might as well make use of it.

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Originally by: Pistolero Quevedo

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Edited by: Pistolero Quevedo on 28/09/2010 05:56:41
Edited by: Pistolero Quevedo on 28/09/2010 05:52:15


..... Bottom Line, we are Wealthy alliance, lots of 1 dude many toons going on, and our main ISK making was Ratting a busting our butts mining....... Lot's of "i got a maze escalation need some helpooo" going on......... One of my daily happy times was listening at guys getting caugh in Faction Battleships or expensive stuff, laughting they couldn't care less since they still got 20B more on their wallets..............

....... So, it's just matter of a few months to rent a new home......So, as soon as we fully settle, we start pew pewing for the glory of the NC.

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Originally by: De'Nab

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Can I be the 1st person from Defi4nt to join this? Guess so.
Firstly, I'd just like to point out that I'm not bitter about Defi4nt getting booted from Deklein. This is just a game and s**t happens. You just move on and ply your trade elsewhere.
But just a few things I'd like to say to all involved in our removal.
To BCA.....Looks like there is such a thing as karma & you guys are seriously reaping it just now. Ain't that a bi**h?
To TNT & OWN.....start packing your bags cos you're no longer needed by Goons/Test and will be next.

Wonder how long it will be before Goons & Test start hitting each other?

Just some musings from a humble miner.

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Originally by: Wille Waaranen

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Edited by: Wille Waaranen on 28/09/2010 14:59:02
We really should have somekind of betting whos next... i actually thinked that own would be first... but maybe they take out those that are "deep" in deklein, so maybe tnt is next...

Let the betting start?

ps. it is only game, dont take it so hard... BFF

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Originally by: De'Nab

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Can I be the 1st person from Defi4nt to join this? Guess so.
Firstly, I'd just like to point out that I'm not bitter about Defi4nt getting booted from Deklein. This is just a game and s**t happens. You just move on and ply your trade elsewhere.
But just a few things I'd like to say to all involved in our removal.
To BCA.....Looks like there is such a thing as karma & you guys are seriously reaping it just now. Ain't that a bi**h?
To TNT & OWN.....start packing your bags cos you're no longer needed by Goons/Test and will be next.

Wonder how long it will be before Goons & Test start hitting each other?

Just some musings from a humble miner.

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Originally by: Wille Waaranen

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Edited by: Wille Waaranen on 28/09/2010 14:59:02
We really should have somekind of betting whos next... i actually thinked that own would be first... but maybe they take out those that are "deep" in deklein, so maybe tnt is next...

Let the betting start?

ps. it is only game, dont take it so hard... BFF

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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This is bull****... You give me enough good, single malt scotch and I'll give you a year's worth of Illuminati logs.

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Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications?

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Well now, here I can only defer to our esteemed chief diplomat when he stated: "As stated individual member corps in BCA need to contact me or any of our diplos ASAP. Don't panic, don't firesale your stuff, just relax and we'll work this out. "

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Originally by: Numbers01

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Edited by: Numbers01 on 28/09/2010 22:42:25

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications?

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Well now, here I can only defer to our esteemed chief diplomat when he stated: "As stated individual member corps in BCA need to contact me or any of our diplos ASAP. Don't panic, don't firesale your stuff, just relax and we'll work this out. "

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Well, I see that his diplomatic ways worked...BCA as an Alliance left Dek. The only ones to stay were the traitors that wanted power for themselves. Even those that didn't want to stay in BCA AND were not traitorous are leaving Dek completely. If you ask me, this is a sure sign that maybe goons screwed the pooch. Goons actually accepting this is yet to be told. As far as not supporting Goons with Evoke, Im pretty sure that it voted not to continue the war by other major alliances in Dek i.e. TNT, OWN. Where is the swift hammer for them? Perhaps Goons picked on lil ole' BCA cause they acted like a 5 year child that was just threated to have his toy taken away from them. Go on with your bad self goons. I look foward to seeing you on the other side. At least I knew Evoke was the enemy...gotta give them a bit of respect for that. Goons...sorry that you live by a lonely existance. (me, myself and I) Brings up a fond memory of Finding Nemo "Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine"

P.s. Landfill...Im coming for you ;)

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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Test ALli or Dreddit is horribad and if not for there catchy name would not have the 1500 Newb members the NC needs to use as meat shields.

I miss the days of 500 Newbs in Maut area, no literally 500 Trial alts attacking and being slaughtered by the bushell...Oh wait it was only like 5 months ago.

Im sorry to BCA but honestly Goons has never nor will ever be known for having "E-Honor" so why would you expect it?

Also its true MM and Razor dont want there small bit<h alliances to have power and one dy start asking for more space or infringne on there ISK Printing presses, it should be clear by now that NC is just 3 Alli`s who control the rest and promise them "FUll Tier 1" membership if they stay faithful to the cause, LOL it a Giant pyramid scheme that for some reason still works.

There are some very talented NC Pilots but as a whole they use Meatshields and bring there super caps from the Moons that you smaller Alli`s hold space for.

BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space.

NC runs off the fact that small ALli`s hope to become bigger and one day great but it wont happen, Test will never ever be MM or Razor. So give up that fantasy. NC works from top to Bottom, MM Razor didnt want to fight goons and possibly have others like PL etc join the fight because they would lose, so they gave them full Membership, now they 3 have pets, then MH, ME, RAGE, now Test are all masters of there domains but still take orders from the Top but they run there little pets, Demon Hunters, Fidelis Con, Space Monkeys etc. 1/2 those wil lbe wiped out or absorbed like looney toons and in 1 year they will be eligible to get pets of there own.

Can you say Bernie Madoff its the same damn scam except the top alli`s are always gonna stay and instead of paying them , Pets have to hold space the the "big 3" dont want but not the Moons. Smart its what the Romans did. But 1 Day the Huns/Goths will unite ad push em out.

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Originally by: Airborne Ninja

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This thread is terrible.

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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This is bull****... You give me enough good, single malt scotch and I'll give you a year's worth of Illuminati logs.

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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This is bull****... You give me enough good, single malt scotch and I'll give you a year's worth of Illuminati logs.

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This made me lol.

Kinda funny how fast the thread went from semi-coherent debating to flaming.

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Originally by: Numbers01

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Edited by: Numbers01 on 28/09/2010 22:42:25

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications?

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Well now, here I can only defer to our esteemed chief diplomat when he stated: "As stated individual member corps in BCA need to contact me or any of our diplos ASAP. Don't panic, don't firesale your stuff, just relax and we'll work this out. "

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Well, I see that his diplomatic ways worked...BCA as an Alliance left Dek. The only ones to stay were the traitors that wanted power for themselves. Even those that didn't want to stay in BCA AND were not traitorous are leaving Dek completely. If you ask me, this is a sure sign that maybe goons screwed the pooch. Goons actually accepting this is yet to be told. As far as not supporting Goons with Evoke, Im pretty sure that it voted not to continue the war by other major alliances in Dek i.e. TNT, OWN. Where is the swift hammer for them? Perhaps Goons picked on lil ole' BCA cause they acted like a 5 year child that was just threated to have his toy taken away from them. Go on with your bad self goons. I look foward to seeing you on the other side. At least I knew Evoke was the enemy...gotta give them a bit of respect for that. Goons...sorry that you live by a lonely existance. (me, myself and I) Brings up a fond memory of Finding Nemo "Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine"

P.s. Landfill...Im coming for you ;)

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Originally by: Purrp Ledone

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Originally by: Numbers01

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Edited by: Numbers01 on 28/09/2010 22:42:25

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas

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Originally by: Neo Berry

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If everyone seems to agree with this, why was the entire alliance targeted for Num's ramifications?

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Well now, here I can only defer to our esteemed chief diplomat when he stated: "As stated individual member corps in BCA need to contact me or any of our diplos ASAP. Don't panic, don't firesale your stuff, just relax and we'll work this out. "

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Well, I see that his diplomatic ways worked...BCA as an Alliance left Dek. The only ones to stay were the traitors that wanted power for themselves. Even those that didn't want to stay in BCA AND were not traitorous are leaving Dek completely. If you ask me, this is a sure sign that maybe goons screwed the pooch. Goons actually accepting this is yet to be told. As far as not supporting Goons with Evoke, Im pretty sure that it voted not to continue the war by other major alliances in Dek i.e. TNT, OWN. Where is the swift hammer for them? Perhaps Goons picked on lil ole' BCA cause they acted like a 5 year child that was just threated to have his toy taken away from them. Go on with your bad self goons. I look foward to seeing you on the other side. At least I knew Evoke was the enemy...gotta give them a bit of respect for that. Goons...sorry that you live by a lonely existance. (me, myself and I) Brings up a fond memory of Finding Nemo "Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine"

P.s. Landfill...Im coming for you ;)

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Can someone translate this for me?

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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(Some mouthpoop)

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Originally by: PipingHotCookies

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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(Some mouthpoop)

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Cripes. I thought I was a horrible poster.

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Originally by: Mark Hadden

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Originally by: Pistolero Quevedo

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- Mark Hadden dropping Republic Fleet Warp disruptors more often that any Officer Spawns. He was BCA favorite Officer Spawn. He did kicked some butts thou.

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how many people shared that poor one disruptor (if it dropped at all)??
:-D :-D :-D

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Originally by: Numbers01

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Well, I see that his diplomatic ways worked...BCA as an Alliance left Dek. The only ones to stay were the traitors that wanted power for themselves. Even those that didn't want to stay in BCA AND were not traitorous are leaving Dek completely. If you ask me, this is a sure sign that maybe goons screwed the pooch. Goons actually accepting this is yet to be told. As far as not supporting Goons with Evoke, Im pretty sure that it voted not to continue the war by other major alliances in Dek i.e. TNT, OWN. Where is the swift hammer for them? Perhaps Goons picked on lil ole' BCA cause they acted like a 5 year child that was just threated to have his toy taken away from them. Go on with your bad self goons. I look foward to seeing you on the other side. At least I knew Evoke was the enemy...gotta give them a bit of respect for that. Goons...sorry that you live by a lonely existance. (me, myself and I) Brings up a fond memory of Finding Nemo "Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine"

P.s. Landfill...Im coming for you ;)

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Originally by: Altaica Amur

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I have a fairly challenging time picking sides in this because on one hand BCA are a good group of guys and I don't know enough goons personally to feel good or bad about it. On the other hand I do know that Numanor is dumb enough to do this, probably dumber then you even think if all you know of him is described in this thread. My best guess/conclusion is that Numanor's dumbness got him and his alliance into trouble and Goon/TEST looked out for number one and made sure that trouble stuck to him.

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That said I don't think Goon/TEST are injured parties in any way here, probably right but in no way negatively impacted on the scale that BCA is, largely it's BCA paying for having dumb leadership.

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I'd say TnT and OWN shouldn't have anything to worry about so long as they don't have leadership that dumb

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but with the pattern developing for small alliances renting in Dek.... well it wouldn't be a bad thing to have your heavy gear packed.

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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Test ALli or Dreddit is horribad and if not for there catchy name would not have the 1500 Newb members the NC needs to use as meat shields.

I miss the days of 500 Newbs in Maut area, no literally 500 Trial alts attacking and being slaughtered by the bushell...Oh wait it was only like 5 months ago.

Im sorry to BCA but honestly Goons has never nor will ever be known for having "E-Honor" so why would you expect it?

Also its true MM and Razor dont want there small bit<h alliances to have power and one dy start asking for more space or infringne on there ISK Printing presses, it should be clear by now that NC is just 3 Alli`s who control the rest and promise them "FUll Tier 1" membership if they stay faithful to the cause, LOL it a Giant pyramid scheme that for some reason still works.

There are some very talented NC Pilots but as a whole they use Meatshields and bring there super caps from the Moons that you smaller Alli`s hold space for.

BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space.

NC runs off the fact that small ALli`s hope to become bigger and one day great but it wont happen, Test will never ever be MM or Razor. So give up that fantasy. NC works from top to Bottom, MM Razor didnt want to fight goons and possibly have others like PL etc join the fight because they would lose, so they gave them full Membership, now they 3 have pets, then MH, ME, RAGE, now Test are all masters of there domains but still take orders from the Top but they run there little pets, Demon Hunters, Fidelis Con, Space Monkeys etc. 1/2 those wil lbe wiped out or absorbed like looney toons and in 1 year they will be eligible to get pets of there own.

Can you say Bernie Madoff its the same damn scam except the top alli`s are always gonna stay and instead of paying them , Pets have to hold space the the "big 3" dont want but not the Moons. Smart its what the Romans did. But 1 Day the Huns/Goths will unite ad push em out.

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I don't see how a one time occurance equals a pattern but ok.

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Originally by: Rastino

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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Test ALli or Dreddit is horribad and if not for there catchy name would not have the 1500 Newb members the NC needs to use as meat shields.

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U sound mad bro. Did someone forget to invite you to the prom?

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Originally by: Murauke

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Who cares we all know deklien is cursed, I mean every alliance that has occupied it has at some point enploded...

I give it 10 months until deklien is in someone elses hands.

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Originally by: Delc

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Originally by: De'Nab

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You sound bitter bro.

Its not our fault you forgot to pay your rent to TCF and then acted like a bunch of children that didnÆt get their lollypop.

When the call came for you to get the boot I cracked open the champagne and smiled. I for one thought that TCF had given you way to rope thankfully you where stupid enough to hang yourself with that rope.

By the way how is empire life working out for you?

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lets hope you don't... you have some of the best assets in the game - i know this becuase of the "head banging" against the wall with TCF i had 8 months back..It was the main reason I left Defy at the time - we saw the relationship with TCF was becoming sour, We had enough good people willing to work hard to expand the alliance but we were constained despite feeling we deserved more. (The cloud ring campaign was something we shouldn't had done but hey - we tried)

My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap.

And I believe that is where it started to go sour. All I will say is Defi4nt and BCA tried to become a force but in my opinion the leaders and the overloads let the habitants down. I know its business but those who work together and create a "marriage" type partnership are the ones that survive, in that I mean a Win-Win situation where both parties win. Relationships that create a Win-Loss situation are not true partnerships and the so called "looser" will in the end create a no-going back situation like Num and Goons and Redia and DA did.

At times the NC Nap train is just like watching a good Soap, it may be napped - but there is enough political BS to keep the most unpolitical of people entertained.

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Originally by: Altaica Amur

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lets hope you don't... you have some of the best assets in the game - i know this becuase of the "head banging" against the wall with TCF i had 8 months back..It was the main reason I left Defy at the time - we saw the relationship with TCF was becoming sour, We had enough good people willing to work hard to expand the alliance but we were constained despite feeling we deserved more. (The cloud ring campaign was something we shouldn't had done but hey - we tried)

My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap.

And I believe that is where it started to go sour. All I will say is Defi4nt and BCA tried to become a force but in my opinion the leaders and the overloads let the habitants down. I know its business but those who work together and create a "marriage" type partnership are the ones that survive, in that I mean a Win-Win situation where both parties win. Relationships that create a Win-Loss situation are not true partnerships and the so called "looser" will in the end create a no-going back situation like Num and Goons and Redia and DA did.

At times the NC Nap train is just like watching a good Soap, it may be napped - but there is enough political BS to keep the most unpolitical of people entertained.

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Just... stop, there are many reasons why Defy is no longer in Dek and you listed none of them just BS defending a leadership that screwed it up for themselves and their alliance. Just as an example, the number of people in defy was never representative of it's actual online people or even more so their online and in fleet. During the CR campaign they were lucky to get a 30 man fleet going, I know because I was often one of those 30.

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My opinion is you guys should be in deklien becuase of the pure size you guys have grown too. TCF in my opinion didnt deserve Deklien because they couldn't occupy half of it and didn't have the numbers. This is what frustrated me. At one point Defy was 1600 occupying 5 systems and TCF was 1800 occupying most of deklien other than BCA, Own and then TNT. In the 5 systems we Occupied the only decent asset we had was a Neo moon that DA wouldn't allow us to cap.

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space.

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Originally by: Imigo Montoya

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Originally by: Kail Storm

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BCA dont pull a WI and get betrayed by NC and then go suckle back to them, Wildly lost Gem to Solar and Atlas and now that they took it back has let rage and there new pets have it even though they bled for that space.

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Betrayed? Huh? I think your version of history is a little bit warped. I love it how people do that.

The simple fact is that the NC is still around after how long now? Love it or hate it, it works.

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