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Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.24 05:37:00 - [1] I mean, it's very common in real life that you got umpteen Will Smiths, Dan Meyers or Laura Robsons. I admit, they look not as similar as New Edenists (maybe Incarna can help with that) and you got a way greater variety for ancestry/adresses. But in the end it always boils down to social insurance numbers, no? Don't we have unique char IDs which could make it work in the same way?
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.24 05:50:00 - [2] Because in MMORPGs, having multiple characters with the exact same name opens a huge can of worms. I can't recall any MMORPG that allows it.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.24 05:51:00 - [3] Umm... I am gonna let more insulting people handel this one! But think alt pretending to be you while we wait for them! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
NewGit Caldari Rusty Industries	Posted - 2010.09.24 06:03:00 - [4] Why would you even want the same name as someone else, unless you are trying to cash in on their fame or ruin their reputation ? And does anyone really want to see "John Smith" on their overview 500 times ? Imagine a large fleet battle: FC: all ships - Primary John Smith Squaddie: Which one ? FC: The one that's 24, wait, 22, no, 27. D@mn it, the one that's 31 kms away. Sh\|t, not that one, the other one ! Squaddie: But that is one of our John Smiths ! FC: OK, fine, primary the one idiot on the field that isn't named John Smith. Squaddie: But the only one not named John Smith is you ! FC: Exactly. I'm outa here ! Yes, the game could assign (maybe already does) unique IDs to each character, but the players don't see that. If suddenly there were 2 dozen Chribba's (or in his case, probably 2,000+) in the game, no one would know who is the real one, and who are the ones trying to run scams in His name. The less scrupulous players (of which there are plenty) would delight in creating suicide alts using names of other players, just to try and defame them and cause them grief. --------------* If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, mine it.
Zan Shiro	Posted - 2010.09.24 06:05:00 - [5] eve is a database with a game built on top of it basically. databases don't like redundancy in key fields. Its not very good for them. Your name is a key field in that database.
Dgast07	Posted - 2010.09.24 06:31:00 - [6] Oddly enough, all 4 of my chars i quad box are named DGast followed by some number
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 07:46:00 - [7] We shall start a Republic of Dave in Jita! Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Receg Varion Galactic OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.24 08:14:00 - [8] I shall create a steve army, we will rule Jita! ----- We all have a photographic memory, it's just some of us don't have film.
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.24 09:13:00 - [9] Because game mechanics require them to be unique. Like the 'calling primary' issue, what about issuing a contract or starting a convo. How would you know which 'John Smith' was the one you wanted to contract your Nyx to?
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.09.24 09:18:00 - [10] Pfft you all think so small. "hi, yes i can assist you with that just contract it to me. Correct sir thats chibba with two b's". Multiply that by about 1000 and the damn tears of anguish.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.24 09:23:00 - [11] Because, while I'm loath to quote CAD, this illustrates the problem perfectly ù imagine the same scene if you could have duplicate namesà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.09.24 09:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Tippia Because, while I'm loath to quote CAD, this illustrates the problem perfectly ù imagine the same scene if you could have duplicate namesà Now that was funny as hell and so true
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.24 09:37:00 - [13] Originally by: NewGit Why would you even want the same name as someone else, unless you are trying to cash in on their fame or ruin their reputation ? And does anyone really want to see "John Smith" on their overview 500 times ? Imagine a large fleet battle: FC: all ships - Primary John Smith Squaddie: Which one ? FC: The one that's 24, wait, 22, no, 27. D@mn it, the one that's 31 kms away. Sh\|t, not that one, the other one ! Squaddie: But that is one of our John Smiths ! FC: OK, fine, primary the one idiot on the field that isn't named John Smith. Squaddie: But the only one not named John Smith is you ! FC: Exactly. I'm outa here ! You know you can assign targets in fleets now? So need for calling primaries anymore.. just rclick them and select: "Broadcast Target"
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.09.24 09:55:00 - [14] I'm Chribba. No, I'm Chribba. I'm Chribba... and so is my wife.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Zan Shiro eve is a database with a game built on top of it basically. Databases don't like redundancy in key fields. Its not very good for them. Your name is a key field in that database. Are you sure? But hypothetically spoken, IDs would be unique enough for key-fields, wouldn't they? Works with banks and everything else in the world.. Originally by: Muul Udonii Because game mechanics require them to be unique. Like the 'calling primary' issue, what about issuing a contract or starting a convo. How would you know which 'John Smith' was the one you wanted to contract your Nyx to? Sure, just typing the name of a char won't be selective enough anymore then.. let's say you type in 'John Smith'.. then a List comes up with all John Smiths and their details like birth date/corp/alliance. And if the freaking UI would be able to remember your contacts better you wouldn't need to go through this every time. But I don't see this as a complete show stopper..
Norian Lonark Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:14:00 - [16] Why would anyone want this all it would add is more confusion and hassel, you wouldnt even be able to talk to someone without checking there char ids first, this really is a case of trying to fix something that isnt broke.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:35:00 - [17] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 24/09/2010 10:39:16 Originally by: Norian Lonark Why would anyone want this. All it would add is more confusion and hassle. You wouldn't even be able to talk to someone without checking there char ids first. This really is a case of trying to fix something that isn't broke. Just trying to think ahead.. CCP just patched the API and drilled some stuff in there from 32bit to 64bit, because the old IDs run out of capacity. When will the names for chars reach this point? >>> The Noob #3: The random name generator Afaik CCP never deleted chars.. not even Trials. So any trial has got the possibility to remove 3 names from all the possible choices. And everyone who played but stopped keeps his chars too.. if he comes back later he still has got his chars. Now some will come and say - recycle them. Where do you draw the line? For instance, if you came back after 1-2-3 years break and all your chars are named: <race>Citizen####### and some dude is running around with your name. How would you find that?
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Tres Farmer When will the names for chars reach this point? >>> The Noob #3: The random name generator Afaik CCP never deleted chars.. not even Trials. So any trial has got the possibility to remove 3 names from all the possible choices. And everyone who played but stopped keeps his chars too.. if he comes back later he still has got his chars. I never had an issue with naming new chars. Be more creative. Originally by: Tres Farmer Now some will come and say - recycle them. Where do you draw the line? For instance, if you came back after 1-2-3 years break and all your chars are named: <race>Citizen####### and some dude is running around with your name. How would you find that? IIRC the EULA guarantees 6 months. That's where CCP could draw the line if they feel like it. Sure some people might get upset if CCP would ever wipe old accounts, but the same amount of people will be happy to get the name they wanted.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.24 12:10:00 - [19] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 24/09/2010 12:12:06 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Tres Farmer When will the names for chars reach this point? >>> The Noob #3: The random name generator Afaik CCP never deleted chars.. not even Trials. So any trial has got the possibility to remove 3 names from all the possible choices. And everyone who played but stopped keeps his chars too.. if he comes back later he still has got his chars. I never had an issue with naming new chars. Be more creative. Originally by: Tres Farmer Now some will come and say - recycle them. Where do you draw the line? For instance, if you came back after 1-2-3 years break and all your chars are named: <race>Citizen####### and some dude is running around with your name. How would you find that? IIRC the EULA guarantees 6 months. That's where CCP could draw the line if they feel like it. Sure some people might get upset if CCP would ever wipe old accounts, but the same amount of people will be happy to get the name they wanted. Well.. for starters, they don't get the name they wanted.. not in 100% of the cases.. otherwise you wouldn't have told me above that I should be more creative, no? We now got 380,000 accounts with a possible 1,140,000 different characters. What happens when Incarna hits? Or Dust? I'm pretty sure I don't want to see Chribba_XIV and N1ka D3ka1a342 or XxxTres FarmerxxX, wouldn't you? I'd rather have CCP sat down for a mere 10 minutes and think of something to avoid this clutter..
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.09.24 12:57:00 - [20] Worse Idea EVER. This isn't real life, its a game. You are just adding more hassle to anything involving other players as you'd have to check everything before making any trades. Adding hassle for no real benefit is BAD, there are billions of possible letter combinations that can be used to make up names, we are nowhere near approaching a critical level where this would be even considered let alone nessicary. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Tres Farmer You know you can assign targets in fleets now without calling names? ..just rclick them and select: "Broadcast Target" What ? Its much easier to just call a name thought isnt it ?
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Tres Farmer Well.. for starters, they don't get the name they wanted.. not in 100% of the cases.. otherwise you wouldn't have told me above that I should be more creative, no? For any person sad losing a char name to someone else, there will be a person happy to have gotten that name. That's pretty much a 100% happy vs. sad ratio. Originally by: Tres Farmer We now got 380,000 accounts with a possible 1,140,000 different characters. What happens when Incarna hits? Or Dust? I'm not saying this could not become a problem at some point in the future. I just don't think it's much of an issue right now. CCP has more pressing issues at hand. Originally by: Tres Farmer I'm pretty sure I don't want to see Chribba_XIV and N1ka D3ka1a342 or XxxTres FarmerxxX, wouldn't you? I'd mildly pity them for naming their chars like that. But that's about it.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:28:00 - [23] think of all these SirMolle characters that would have been created by witty Goons
De'Veldrin Minmatar CareBears on Fire The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Tres Farmer I'm pretty sure I don't want to see Chribba_XIV and N1ka D3ka1a342 or XxxTres FarmerxxX, wouldn't you? If you haven't seen names like this in the game already, you're not looking hard enough. Every time I see someone with numbers replacing letters in their name, I die a little inside. --Vel
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:06:00 - [25] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Tres Farmer I'm pretty sure I don't want to see Chribba_XIV and N1ka D3ka1a342 or XxxTres FarmerxxX, wouldn't you? If you haven't seen names like this in the game already, you're not looking hard enough. Every time I see someone with numbers replacing letters in their name, I die a little inside. This. Syn Callibri Director Fleet Ops, 21st Eridani Lighthorse Keeper of the Blood Pact
Jonn Smyth	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:08:00 - [26] Edited by: Jonn Smyth on 24/09/2010 14:08:49 Originally by: NewGit And does anyone really want to see "John Smith" on their overview 500 times ? Imagine a large fleet battle: FC: all ships - Primary John Smith Squaddie: Which one ? FC: The one that's 24, wait, 22, no, 27. D@mn it, the one that's 31 kms away. Sh\|t, not that one, the other one ! Squaddie: But that is one of our John Smiths ! FC: OK, fine, primary the one idiot on the field that isn't named John Smith. Squaddie: But the only one not named John Smith is you ! FC: Exactly. I'm outa here ! New merc corp, The Johns, now recruting. Please contact me in game for more details.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Dgast07 Oddly enough, all 4 of my chars i quad box are named DGast followed by some number That is indeed odd. Any idea how that came to pass? Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.24 16:40:00 - [28] The database would explode if you tried to sent an evemail to two or more characters that have the same name. How will the game know who you meant? ------
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 17:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 24/09/2010 17:41:12 TL;DR Lead paint is not candy, MMMMMM******KAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY? Nice censor. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.24 17:41:00 - [30] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 24/09/2010 17:43:40 Originally by: Guilliman R The database would explode if you tried to sent an evemail to two or more characters that have the same name. How will the game know who you meant? People have different birthdates/starter-non-player-corps/player-corps/alliances.. You already got some unique stats: Guilliman R Gallente, Jin-Mei First registered with: Federal Navy Academy Registration Date: 22/04/2007 09:49 Current registered with: Northstar Cabal Maybe we can get some kind of address? How does the address of the HQ of your current corp sound? HQ Northstar Cabal Office 23A Block B-342 Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant Just a matter of getting this data used in a way so we don't get mad/freak out. Especially roleplayers should like this.

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