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Joran Jagg	Posted - 2010.09.25 09:37:00 - [1] Hey, I'm currently skilling a Tengu but reading forums I have some doubts about its uses. First of all, let me tell you why exactly I want to fly one: I would like to do L4 missions with it and exploration first in high sec and then in low/0.0 when I start to get the hang of it. What attracts me is that it's very versatile. I can do exploration AND do the plexes with the same ship: no need to dock up and switch to a combat ship after scanning out an anomaly. Also, I've been flying a Raven for my L4 mission fix and to be honest it's pretty boring. Now, on to my doubts. On every CNR vs Tengu thread, everyone says that the T3 is subpar to the faction BS in terms of DPS, therefore in isk/h. Now I don't have T2 cruise missiles but have T2 heavies, so I'm not sure a CNR would be better for me. Then, about exploration. High sec is fine, but I get the feeling that going into low/null with a tengu is like hanging out with a big "SHOOT ME" sign on my back. Now I'm not afraid to loose a ship and have the cash to replace it right after, fit and everything, but why would I fly with a half-a-bil ship when I can do the same thing with a T2 covops frig + a BC or even a recon ship ? I really like the Tengu and would really like to fly it (and probably will), but first I would like to know how can I use it best and when would it be superior to other ships ?
Serigas	Posted - 2010.09.25 10:18:00 - [2] I enjoy spinning my tengu while in a station, and it looks really nice so in that respect it is superior to other spinning ships.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.09.25 10:46:00 - [3] Tengu can: - Run some L4 missions better (it's not superior on all but some of the frigate-cruiser heavy ones that require speed, it is much better). So it's great to have as a ship in your mission running arsenal, I use one with a Nightmare in Amarr space. - Be un-probeable if need be - Run all K-space exploration better than any other ship both in Covert and All-in-one fits, as well as straight up best tank and DPS combined - Run W-space sites better than the other T3 solo - Probably the best 0.0 belt ratter due to it's warp speed sub and agility - Make a great scout and blockade runner - One of the best solo PvP ships in the game (Rocket 2.0) imo - Comes in HAM and HML variants Might be more, all I can say is.. TENGU **** YEAH
Deathhawk Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:36:00 - [4] Originally by: TheMahdi Tengu can: - Run some L4 missions better (it's not superior on all but some of the frigate-cruiser heavy ones that require speed, it is much better). So it's great to have as a ship in your mission running arsenal, I use one with a Nightmare in Amarr space. - Be un-probeable if need be - Run all K-space exploration better than any other ship both in Covert and All-in-one fits, as well as straight up best tank and DPS combined - Run W-space sites better than the other T3 solo - Probably the best 0.0 belt ratter due to it's warp speed sub and agility - Make a great scout and blockade runner - One of the best solo PvP ships in the game (Rocket 2.0) imo - Comes in HAM and HML variants Might be more, all I can say is.. TENGU **** YEAH This is why i hate it!! (am training for it) Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist
Kidain Gallente Rule of Five	Posted - 2010.09.25 12:02:00 - [5] Are you serious? What CANT the Tengu do? It truly is an awesome ship I really wish I had either the ISK or the balls to PVP with it cause I am sure it would be super. AS far as the CNR vs Tengu debate just forget what the idiots say here. They are sad, spreadsheet worshipping nerds that are only satisfied with getting that 0.01% faster missioning ship. Mine tears though Level 4's so fast it makes my nose bleed. -------------------------------------- In an infinite universe, the one thing sentient life cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion. - Douglas Adams
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Kidain What CANT the Tengu do? ecm better than a rook/falcon the ecm sub is well sub-par and the log sub isnt as good on range as a scim/bask but other than that its a good ship
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:54:00 - [7] Originally by: demonfurbie Originally by: Kidain What CANT the Tengu do? ecm better than a rook/falcon the ecm sub is well sub-par and the log sub isnt as good on range as a scim/bask but other than that its a good ship But no one looks at the overview and sees "Rook" or "Basilisk" and makes you primary. A gang of all Tengu can have all the functionality (even if a little less effective) without letting everyone know you've got logi or ewar (or gang links for that matter).
knentil	Posted - 2010.09.25 18:10:00 - [8] Before I intentionally blowed up my tengu it was a high sec money making machine.. And looked sexy while doing it, thats what most use it for.
Joran Jagg	Posted - 2010.09.26 08:47:00 - [9] Right, thanks for the answers. I have two more questions: - Should I fit a Large or a Medium Shield Booster ? Gist or Pith ? A-B or C type depends on my isks/availability I guess ? - What are the DOs and DONTs when fitting a T3 cruiser ? Like should I put an interdiction nullifier with a covops ? Is Adaptive Shielding better than Aplification Node ? And so on...
cianide pro	Posted - 2010.09.26 11:28:00 - [10] Edited by: cianide pro on 26/09/2010 11:29:12 Originally by: Joran Jagg Right, thanks for the answers. I have two more questions: - Should I fit a Large or a Medium Shield Booster ? Gist or Pith ? A-B or C type depends on my isks/availability I guess ? - What are the DOs and DONTs when fitting a T3 cruiser ? Like should I put an interdiction nullifier with a covops ? Is Adaptive Shielding better than Aplification Node ? And so on... I fly 2 setups: 6 heavy launchers and med shield booster, permarun all. Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher,Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher,Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher,Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher,Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher,Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher,Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst or a heavy tank 5 heavy ( or heavy assaults ) launchers large sb, permarun all. Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile or Heavy Missile launchers II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile or Heavy Missile launchers II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile or Heavy Missile launchers II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile or Heavy Missile launchers II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile or Heavy Missile launchers II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2010.09.26 11:46:00 - [11] I've used this in low-sec for escalations and plexes. DPS is on the low side, but you can get through camps with the cloak, and is unprobable while you're running the plex. This is probably good up through a 4/10-6/10 type plexes or escalations. You can make an argument that the shield rigs are not a good idea, given they increase the sig radius, but it still hits the <1.08 mark. Its not pimped out, but functional. Obviously if you want to throw some isk at it for faction mods, you can squeeze some more performance out of it--maybe replace the shield rigs with more missile mods. I don't care if I'm not cap stable... [Tengu, Unprobable] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Gravimetric Backup Array II 10MN Afterburner II Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Joran Jagg	Posted - 2010.09.27 09:22:00 - [12] And what about Gist vs Pith vs CN/Guristas shield boosters ? I find Pith SB ridiculously overpriced.
cianide pro	Posted - 2010.09.27 09:40:00 - [13] Yes but the Pith's are very good. With my above mentioned setups I can boost round the 332hp each 3 sec on the c-med and on the large b I can do round the 585hp each 3.2 sec. This repping and with a speed of 661m/s and a sig of 150m you can run missions without worring who you agro :)
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.09.27 11:36:00 - [14] Edited by: AstarothPrime on 27/09/2010 11:37:17 Originally by: Joran Jagg I really like the Tengu and would really like to fly it (and probably will), but first I would like to know how can I use it best and when would it be superior to other ships ? It all comes down to this: T1 ships are single bonused, regarding their main branch (eg. caracal draws bonuses from caldari cruisers, drake from battlecruisers) T2 ships are double bonused (eg. nighthawk draws bonuses from battlecruisers and command ships skills) T3 ships are 5x bonused, each subsystem with their own situation selectable bonuses See the advantage? Every ship is balanced to be effective against certain enemies and weak against others. T3 is only ship that can take on ALL enemies, ofc fited with proper subsystems which u can carry with you in cargo if u need to. Yea it costs, but IMO very worth training. Regards I.
FlightGlobal	Posted - 2010.09.27 12:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Joran Jagg Hey, I'm currently skilling a Tengu but reading forums I have some doubts about its uses. First of all, let me tell you why exactly I want to fly one: I would like to do L4 missions with it and exploration first in high sec and then in low/0.0 when I start to get the hang of it. What attracts me is that it's very versatile. I can do exploration AND do the plexes with the same ship: no need to dock up and switch to a combat ship after scanning out an anomaly. Also, I've been flying a Raven for my L4 mission fix and to be honest it's pretty boring. Now, on to my doubts. On every CNR vs Tengu thread, everyone says that the T3 is subpar to the faction BS in terms of DPS, therefore in isk/h. Now I don't have T2 cruise missiles but have T2 heavies, so I'm not sure a CNR would be better for me. Then, about exploration. High sec is fine, but I get the feeling that going into low/null with a tengu is like hanging out with a big "SHOOT ME" sign on my back. Now I'm not afraid to loose a ship and have the cash to replace it right after, fit and everything, but why would I fly with a half-a-bil ship when I can do the same thing with a T2 covops frig + a BC or even a recon ship ? I really like the Tengu and would really like to fly it (and probably will), but first I would like to know how can I use it best and when would it be superior to other ships ? Ok i know this point is touted far to often but ill say it here to be sure - dont fly it if you cant afford the 500mil to 1bn - 1.5bn it will cost you to spec it. On the other hand tengus are an amazing ship type - i have been flying (and sadly lossing them) for months now. I use them as scouts, probers fleet and small gang ship. In the PvE depaertment yes there are some draw backs -but its all about balance - which is why i love the tengu. You can fine tune it and accept it for waht it does/does not do. The good thing is if u use EFT you can spec a tengu with suggested fits and see how it stacks up against a t2/faction ship. May base view (only using the tengu for pvp) is that you will get an excellent 'jack of all trades' for PvE that while it wont do everything the best (vs ship a or ship b etc), it will do everything very well and some things better than ship a b or c etc. In short- no hte tengu is not a master of all (no ship is) but it will do all you ask of it in PvE and probably a few extra things you might not be able to squeese onto its counter parts. With regard to flying it well, to get the most from it, expect to have tengu skills L4/5 all subsystems L5 and all core skills (ie engineering/electrics and millse skills) maxed - but his wont matter in that they would also affect your ability to fly any other ship in the same way. DO fit (for PvE only) T2 mods, faction mods and all other stuff. The more you invest into your ship in PvE the more it rewards you (but this is the same of all ships). With regard to flying it - expect to be everyones favourite toy. You will be the first thing greifers reds and WT's will want to find so if you dont have a cloak then get docked up if u sense trouble. Finally I will end on my two main points: 1) Dont fly it if you cant afford the loss/gain ratio. 2) It will do everything well but not everything best. No ship is best, all have set backs and draw backs, its just a question if whether you want to spend 500-1500mil on a ship that does a lot of things well (probablty more than any other one ship) Intead of going for a slightly less good t2 or faction ship and spending much less. - All personal taste and sunject to your win/loss ratio and eve experience. ENJOY THE TENGU ITS A GREAT SHIP. Plus when you get bored of PvE u can use it for other things - dont forget that the subsystems can be swapped out without loss and replaced at will and medium T1 rigs are only 1-5 mil in jita so its no big loss to strip them out!
Georn VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.27 12:48:00 - [16] Tengu is a nice ship for lvl 4. Fast to train, does reasonable dps, good tank, nice speed and agility. Sure.. Machariel, Golem, CNR, etc will do the job faster most of the time.. but what are a few minutes when you can zapp around in a cruiser hull. Only drawback I found.. it eats Ammo like Candy .. and shooting frigs with Missiles instead of sending Drones just feels wrong somehow. ____________ nerf metagaming, boost fun
Limdood	Posted - 2010.09.27 13:32:00 - [17] the people that say CNRs are faster than a tengu are just lazy. These are the people who go and fit heavy missile launchers on a Tengu for missions. If you're going to fly a ship with a damage, RoF, and missile range bonus, don't you think that fitting a missile type that already goes beyond the obscene targeting range of the ship is a bit of a waste? Especially considering 80% of missions have all or most of their spawns at 40km or closer? Fit HAMs, do 900 dps while travelling 625m/s+ and laugh at the CNR pilots who thought they could run missions faster.
xenodia Gallente DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE	Posted - 2010.09.27 14:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Joran Jagg Right, thanks for the answers. I have two more questions: - Should I fit a Large or a Medium Shield Booster ? Gist or Pith ? A-B or C type depends on my isks/availability I guess ? - What are the DOs and DONTs when fitting a T3 cruiser ? Like should I put an interdiction nullifier with a covops ? Is Adaptive Shielding better than Aplification Node ? And so on... I use cap stable dual small Gistii setup on mine. Depends if youre talking pvp or pve though I guess. Interdiction nullifier sub mostly sucks. It nerfs your align time to the point that if you do run into a bubble camp, youre probably better off without it. This signature space for rent
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.09.27 14:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Limdood Especially considering 80% of missions have all or most of their spawns at 40km or closer? 80%? Quote: Fit HAMs, do 900 dps while travelling 625m/s+ and laugh at the CNR pilots who thought they could run missions faster. Because Heavy and Cruise missiles travel at 8,000m/s+ instead of 625m/s+. HAMs are the Heavy Drones of missiles; the DPS is real pretty, but the travel time is so slooooow that it can significantly cut into DPS. Plus the Tengu's DPS is reduced against non-kinetic weak targets, the CNR can carry and use three sentry drones, etc.. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Limdood the people that say CNRs are faster than a tengu are just lazy. These are the people who go and fit heavy missile launchers on a Tengu for missions. If you're going to fly a ship with a damage, RoF, and missile range bonus, don't you think that fitting a missile type that already goes beyond the obscene targeting range of the ship is a bit of a waste? Especially considering 80% of missions have all or most of their spawns at 40km or closer? Fit HAMs, do 900 dps while travelling 625m/s+ and laugh at the CNR pilots who thought they could run missions faster. Pretty much every mission where a HAM Tengu will out perform an HML Tengu or CNR is a mission where the Golem will out perform everything. So, there's not much use for a HAM Tengu in an elite mission runner's toolbox. Still, the Tengu is awesome. It can pretty much do everything (all kinds of PvP, exploration, etc) at an elite level, and is easily the quickest way for a new pilot to get exceptional mission ship, because it's so easy to train for.

Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:06:00 - [21] I personally fly a single small pith-a type shield booster setup, HML. The Tengu is an excellent mission ship, but it really shines for 0.0 exploration. It can fit a sisters probe launcher (with a cov-ops like scanning bonus), 6 HML, 3 BCUs AND fit a tank sustainable tank that can take anything short of a 10/10 plex. Most ships struggle to fit one of the above, the Tengu does them all without having to refit. That's eating your cake and having it too. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Ceti Lomax Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:06:00 - [22] Tengu is probably the best alround ship in EVE. It does so many thing so well. I think it's biggest weekness is it's lack of shield buffer, and its dependance on active tanking. Neutralizers (eg. Blood Raiders and Suicide Gankers) can make you really nervous in this ship.
Zeta Function	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Ceti Lomax Tengu is probably the best alround ship in EVE. It does so many thing so well. I think it's biggest weekness is it's lack of shield buffer, and its dependance on active tanking. Neutralizers (eg. Blood Raiders and Suicide Gankers) can make you really nervous in this ship. lies [Tengu, t2 buffer] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers t2 fit, 170k EHP. still does considerable DPS. (out-does the drake by a slight bit, and has the dps tank-drake lacks) although tbh id faction fit it... after its a ~500mil hull.
Absolom Hues Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:46:00 - [24] Edited by: Absolom Hues on 27/09/2010 18:54:28 Originally by: Ceti Lomax Tengu is probably the best alround ship in EVE. It does so many thing so well. I think it's biggest weekness is it's lack of shield buffer, and its dependance on active tanking. Neutralizers (eg. Blood Raiders and Suicide Gankers) can make you really nervous in this ship. Lack of shield buffer? The one listed below has a pretty good buffer. It is listed with HAM's but it can also use Heavy's. In a mission, use a good afterburner and substitute the disruptor for a target painter. This ship has an excess of 235K of EHP. [Tengu, Buffer Tank & HAM] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Pith A-Type Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
Absolom Hues Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.09.27 19:05:00 - [25] Edited by: Absolom Hues on 27/09/2010 19:08:48 Originally by: Zeta Function ...EDIT: PvE ofc, PvP fit see the post below me Ya... I noticed that I posted my PvP fit, so edited in the comment about changing the modules out for PVE fit. IMHO a TENGU should always use an afterburner in PVE, this ship will speed tank most of the damage and with such a large buffer, not need a shield booster. Wormhole fits will require a shield booster. _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."


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