Oh btw does the new fitting with ammo stuff also take into account scripts? Loading fuel like Isotopes and Strong would be AWESOME though :D

Great changes

Quick question.

Does using these new features require a new fitting be made?


T3 fitting from older saved fittings fails has that gotten fixed.

Awesome change!

Has the "fit to a certain slot" requirement been removed too? Otherwise I see rigs being deleted becuase they're 3-2-1 instead of 2-3-1 for instance.

Oh, and the error message you get when moving a gun from slot 1 -> 2 stating you have no slots left.. while its actually just a move?

Awesome changes! Love them. :D

Can we include scripts too? like the one for the sensor boosters or the tracking comps? Sometimes when we need to share a fit in chat, we have to say what scripts we're using. I think that info should be there somewhere.

Awesome! One minor nit can we get a space between the quantity and the x?

10,000 x Void S

instead of

10,000x Void S

Most excellent news regarding cargo-based charges being saved w/the fitting. That is a truly useful addition to EVE's fitting functionality. Thank you.

Let's be clear: CCP is restoring functionality that it removed. The ability to automatically fit up rigs with all of the warning bells was previously available to pilots until it was removed in a patch w/in the past year or so.

I'm noticing a severe lack of:
Graphs
Hello Kitty
Graphs on Hello Kitty paper.


Other than that, great blog

Thanks Punkturis, we usually fit up around 500 thrashers at a time to have ready to hand out to our pilots on a daily basis, I popped on sisi a while ago and could fit up about 20 thrashers per minute, it will make our lives a lot easier.

Do not ask for to much she is working on the Un. Inventory now let her work

Give me a "Buy it now!" option and I'll mail you a copy of my ticket to fanfest? (omg, my wife is gonna kill me....)

-Liang

I meant that I'd obtain said ticket and mail you a copy as proof. ;-)

-Liang

FWIW, the customers are right, Rigs were once fitted with fits.

See complaints at the introduction of the feature, and the stealth removal:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1206798
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1453526-0/page/1

Any word if gun groups are also saved? (TBH I forget if they are currently on TQ or Sisi )

Unless that's been stealth-added recently no they aren't, it's the main reason I next to never load saved fits when I want to just swap launchers/hards, if I have to redo the groups by hand I find it easier to just do the whole lot that way, would be awesome if they did get saved tho.

edit: gah ninjad by punktaris!

Any word on when you are removing the absolutely annoying 100 Saved fittings limit?

I hit that AGES ago and I have to delete a fitting every time I have a new one to add to my database, it is ANNOYING.

I don't really care if it's not saved server side, just let me save as many fittings as I want to locally.

((can you send mails with a link to fitting? havent tried..))

Is this awesome?

[ ] Yes
[ ] **** Yes

P.S. Don't forget Tracking Computer and Sensor Booster scripts, and Probe Launcher's Scanner Probes

Jesus Punkturis, going to be blowing up some POS towers with that catalyst fit? Sooo much ammo lol

Love the changes though.

As some others have said, and I'll likely repost into the F&I discussion section, is it possible to get information on said fit in a more information window? Much like how the current fitting window has the expansion arrow that shows more stats, bringing that onto a saved fit that might show relevant information with your skills and such would be downright ******* awesome.

As a second idea to that, having a market section that shows the current price of the modules in your region/total price of the fit in your region and the option to buy all the modules on said fit, with a single click (or two..) would save people a lot of time and hassle. I understand you can save it to the quick bar and get the items that way, but you still have to click each module, find the right price, right place, click buy now, confirm, repeat for EVERY module type.

I'm lazy, and if I think the price is reasonable, why not just hit buy now and have it do it for me? All ready to go.

More time pew'ing, less time clicking and assembling things to pew.

This news makes me a little sad, but it's not really unexpected. Thanks anyway. :)

-Liang

This blog is full of win!!!

Any chance we could be allowed to fit ships without actually sitting in them? And subsequently, allow fitting ships we can't fly or with modules we can't use? (Obviously you wouldn't be able to board or undock those ships.)

Great changes in this one.

One problem that I would love to see solved happens when fitting a T3 (Strategic Cruiser). Sometimes the fit will fail to actually place any modules on the ship. The subsystems always seem to get mounted but nothing else. Any fix for this would be great.

Great change and nice dev blog, thanks


And about saving things in cargo... couldn't we have ANY items in cargo saved as well ? Pretty please with a cherry on the top ?

That would help a lot to :
- add the backup fit in the hold (like the combat fit of your carrier, or an extra tackle module for your hurricane)
- refill an industrial before the daily trips to production planets (which takes some time and is a pain in the current sitiuation)
- add the pax amarria, exotic dancers & other diverse voodoo dolls (mandatory in any pvp ship)
- create fittings with containers (that give additionnal room for cap charges)
- and more !


from the Sisi feedback thread :


We're merely pointing you at (hopefully goods) ideas


ooooohhhh c'mon, why not ? It seems so easy to implement

Nice picture, but... no chart?

Punkturis, you've been away too long

Mmmmkay

Well thank you for your answer

Nanite repair paste - will that be saved and fitted into the cargohold?

Even if not, thank you so much for these changes. Fitting up hundreds of destroyers for even my small corp in factional warfare is such a PITA now.

Nice!
One question/suggestion though. Are charges loaded into modules (ammo, scripts, ponies) saved to the fitting? Granted it's probably not what you want if you are fitting a ship for contract but it is nice to have for the fit-and-go-gank crowd.

is it possible to just..... tag scripts as charges?

Nice changes, but could you please also add combat boosters (exile drop etc) as a charge? It'll be so frustrating to still have to add them (and nanite paste for that matter) after fitting each ship

Love these changes, thanks.
Any idea if we'll get them with the next patch?

No we aren't, because jumping to conclusion is more fun!

Nanite paste works!

is nobody reading my comments here before posting?

Very Nice. I love the changes.

If I may, one more feature I have always wanted since the fitting manager came out, "Buy this fitting" button. When clicked it would go to the market, in the station you are currently in, and quote you a total cost for all available modules and the hull. It would make note of any unavailable modules and present the user with an accept quote and cancel purchase buttons. if accepted, the tool would verify all modules are still availible, then subtract the quoted amount from the players wallet, and buy all the parts for the player. From here the parts could be 1)dropped in the hanger or 2)Auto fitted to the hull !!! CCP could even charge a small .5% fee or something for the buying service and it would still be used.

that dev blog is approved as a good one. good nice changes making things easier, go on watch Olympics ;) Island got any medals so far?

Is this still working? When I originally looked it said it was no longer supported; and 5gb is a lot of bandwidth to spend for something which may not work.

Will said fuel be able to be placed in a fuel bay if present by default, or will it be placed in the cargo bay?

Would it be possible to have this some time in the future SoonGäó, or is it not technically possible? I have a feeling many people would really like it if you managed to add this.

Now seems a good time to bump the thread for a reply to Post 54

If the changes were supposed to help people who mass fit ships then why do we still need to have maxed-out combat skills for all 4 races to do it? While your changes are good, and thanks a lot for the work you have done, this solution does not seem to actually cure the problem that you set out to fix.

Items we don't have the skill to fit cause a popup and the item remains in our hangar. With a simple change these items could be placed in the hold of the ship in question. If the hold fills up THEN you should pop up a message and leave the item in the hangar - this cures the problem you set out to fix.

Normally I'd check this myself, but I'm at work right now and the thought just occurred to me. If we have a fitting saved with, say, 5000 charges in the cargohold, but only 4000 in our hanger and we try to fit the ship, will it place 4000 in the cargohold (and maybe pop up a warning), or will it just fail and not load anything?

I just tested it. It fits what it can, then gives the "not all items fitted" message.

To CCP: Although "Fit" does fit charges, "Strip" does not remove them.

Please also add nanite pastes to the list of items being saved. Usually many PVP fits include these, it'd also save a lot of time.

thanks.

Please also add nanite pastes to the list of items being saved. Usually many PVP fits include these, it'd also save a lot of time.

thanks.

Great idea but might be over reaching But as Erlendur sayed on twitter lets start up a new thread on the features forum for all theses fitting ideas that cant be changed by next week.

Ya, can we do this?!

There have been surprisingly many suggestions for this addition (without any replies from CCP Punkturis at all, I'm not sure what has become of her...). I'll mention this to her tomorrow, let's see what she can conjure up!

(here be trolls...)

In the same vein of "unusual consumables", are scripts *IN CARGO* (as distinct from scripts in fitted modules) also saved/fitted?

MDD

"Erlendur" being that CCP Explorer dude...

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You realy need to change your twitter handle so people know who you are. cant say Explorer becouse they can not search for your tweet. Having Explorer in your by line does not count

@CCP Puncturis
Because I'm a secret fan of yours (to the point of "in love with you", doctor says it's a phase I'm going through and it will pass) and I really would like you to respond to my post personally...
Can you make fittings save the included cargo and nanite repair paste?

Do I hear lols?

To the point that I was thinking of compiling a special EVEMon version for Puncturis with 'Hello Kitty' skin.

[Btw, if it's not yet already known around CCP, I'm the lead dev of].

Wow so many devs on a thread :) its really cool, keep up this great work

how about my mini suggestion(lost on page 8 or something), from a 2002 beta tester :) i would really LUV search to work again, we are so close to great zen state on teh ui

Prime

Great changes!

Can we get combat boosters to save too for the extra lazy folk (like me) ? Cheers.

Well then curse you for making me click more than once!

No wait...just kidding, you rock.

punkturis THANK YOU!

your my fav dev you always make all the awsome changes that make eve more fun

This change has Hulkageddon Buff written all over it. Next, we'll be able to right click on a stack of Catalysts and fit them all with one click.

First of all welcome back Punkturis! Hope it was a good vacation.

Second thing, some suggestions for a future patch:

1) Ability to store the position of the modules shown on the screen.

This would help twofold:

Swapping ships or sharing fittings would both be removed the bothersome "now I have to re-assign all the modules HUD buttons again so that the AB / MWD comes first, then shield booster, then hardeners...
Expecially for grouped weapons this usually involves re-dragging all the turrets / missile launchers to the left, since they appear every other icon, with one HUD icon greyed and usually ending up behind the overview window (so we have to un-pin it, move / resize it just to grab the icon and drag it in position.

2) When dragging and dropping a fit onto the market hotbar (A GREAT THING! <3 ), could you also place the ship hull in the list? Nothing more embarassing than buying the full Orca fittings and then discover you forgot the Orca itself!

3) When dropping a fitted ship (i.e. from the ships hangar in station or at POS) on the market hotbar, only the hull gets in there.
Now, showing just the hull makes sense when dropping 1 or more repackaged ships.
But in case of fitted ships what about copying the same behavior of the fitting window and so create a folder with said hull and all the various modules etc, like if you dropped a saved fitting? The code to do it looks basically similar.

4) You gave us the nice ability to drag and drop show info / links pilot names into the "Name" edit box of the private item swap contracts. Could you please also make it possible to drag and drop the finished / active contracts price into a new contract?

Workflow:

I open a completed contract (I sell hundreds of BPC contracts), start a new contract, drag the big red big price from the completed contract into the empty price box of the new contract.


5) Manufacturing window: you know when we get to the "Accept quote?" window we get a table with the list of stuff.
It'd be really nice if we could drag the item names into a chat.

I.e. if I need Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plates, I'd love to be able to drag such name on a chat and ask for it and similar.

Another great feature would be:

Right click on "Accept quote?" window => Copy to clipboard

We got it for other table windows, it'd help nicely to do it for materials, so if we miss just 10 of this and 20 of that we can later paste the names and quantities on the market window.

OR

if you feel masochistic, add a right click menu next to each item: "Buy missing quantity" that would directly open a buy window for that item, with the quantity already typed in.

i'm a programmer

You can do that, just drag the fitting to the quickbar. CCP Karkur did it a few months back. (Don't want to give CCP Punky all the creditz)

2) When dragging and dropping a fit onto the market hotbar (A GREAT THING! <3 ), could you also place the ship hull in the list? Nothing more embarassing than buying the full Orca fittings and then discover you forgot the Orca itself!

3) When dropping a fitted ship (i.e. from the ships hangar in station or at POS) on the market hotbar, only the hull gets in there.
Now, showing just the hull makes sense when dropping 1 or more repackaged ships.
But in case of fitted ships what about copying the same behavior of the fitting window and so create a folder with said hull and all the various modules etc, like if you dropped a saved fitting? The code to do it looks basically similar.

4) You gave us the nice ability to drag and drop show info / links pilot names into the "Name" edit box of the private item swap contracts. Could you please also make it possible to drag and drop the finished / active contracts price into a new contract?

5) Manufacturing window: you know when we get to the "Accept quote?" window we get a table with the list of stuff.
It'd be really nice if we could drag the item names into a chat.

I.e. if I need Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plates, I'd love to be able to drag such name on a chat and ask for it and similar.

Another great feature would be:
Right click on "Accept quote?" window => Copy to clipboard

We got it for other table windows, it'd help nicely to do it for materials, so if we miss just 10 of this and 20 of that we can later paste the names and quantities on the market window.

I'm usually against the idea of batch buy and sales, what if the buy window came up with a table combining the functionality of a bunch of buy windows . Is multiple simultaneous buy windows a technical problem?

This is fantastic. Thank you very much!

But why? oh why would you limit it to charges?
That seems like a rather pointless, arbitrary limitation.

We will still have to manually load extra modules, fuel, drugs...

Why not simply save and load everything from all the cargo bays?

Some people might not realize the impact of this change, but for me, and the CFC this is a big one. The ability to mass fit ships is critical to bloc level warfare in the current EVE. Before, this was an exercise in torture, basically being set on fire after beaten half to dealth.

This has removed the being lite on fire part! Thank you for these changes, you have improved the life of many a mentor, and logistics person in null.

Punkturis, best dev!

Two thumbs up.

A triumph among dev blogs

I'm Andski, Goonswarm's newbie director, and as I tweeted to Punkturis, this change simply owns. We hand out prefitted frigates to newbies, and putting ammo into them one-by-one is tedious and this new functionality is as big a sigh of relief as the removal of the session change timer.

Thanks!

I'm Andski, Goonswarm's newbie director, and as I tweeted to Punkturis, this change simply owns. We hand out prefitted frigates to newbies, and putting ammo into them one-by-one is tedious and this new functionality is as big a sigh of relief as the removal of the session change timer.

If you guys could fix the ghost stack bug again that would be pretty sweet. It got fixed in the initial session change patch, then was broken again a patch later. It's something to do with fast session changes, as if I am in the groove and fitting fast, I cant trigger it every 10 ships or so, forcing me to relog or undock/redock to fix.

CCP Punkturis,

As you know you're my favorite dev.

Your work in EVE is always appreciated and this is a perfect example that you listen and understand what players need.


Since you're literally the coolest person @ CCP with concerns to the UI and it's development I have two questions for you:

1. With all the mining barge changes coming up, why don't miners have a nifty way to monitor how much people have mined in a fleet yet? (hint).

2. This is something you may or may not be able to answer. However, why doesn't CCP develop an API for players to hook into to customize the UI ourselves? It's been a very good thing in other mmos as their ui developers have a much broader development team since it uses it's community.


That is all, thank you for your work.

A step in the right direction, but as has been said...

until fitting managers can put drugs and rigs and optional modules in the hold then this really is only a step.

Especially rigs! You dont want to mass fit rigs to 50 ships only to be forced to move home a week after and have to repackage all those ships

Stick the rigs in the cargo hold and the player can install them.

EDIT:

Maybe when you click the 'FIT' button it asks you if you want to install the rigs on the ship or put them in the hold!.. thats a win win

I cant believe you still havent fixed fitting t3s from saved fittings, its bugged like hell!

Punkturis, will you marry me? :)

Yes they made a change and I keep checking sisi to see if the older ones work. No luck so far.

Done. Can you fix the fitting screen Damage control cannot move bug BR 138953?

On Sisi if you want some more feed back for another hour.