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Rone Corbusier
Gallente The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:22:00 -
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I was thinking of using something like this because my active shield skills are really bad at the moment. Obviously the HG crystal, blue pill and faction xl-shield booster version of this ship can do wonderful things but on a budget I was toying with a passive fit.
This is for high and low sec solo and not necessarily expecting to survive.
Thoughts.
1. A hurricane is probably better in this configuration but this has the benefit of looking less intimidating. The price difference isn't really significant.
2. Damage rig could be an anti-thermal rig and an LSE could be swapped for an invuln which overheated gives a better tank for a limited duration.
3. Dual neuts and an AML instead of single neut and heavies? At least works vs frigs in range but I don't like the idea so much.
4. Losing the DC for another Gyro (and probably putting in the anti-therm rig.
[Cyclone, neu] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x3
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:25:00 -
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DO NOT PASSIVE TANK A CYCLONE
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |

Static Scream
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:53:00 -
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I like it. it will probably die to any tier 2 battlecruiser, but since your in a cyclone maybe a lot of cruisers will be willing to engage.
I would toy with and invuln field in the mid slot, and use the gain in powergrid to switch the acr rig to core defense field extender rig, overall ehp might be a winner especially as you mentioned with overload.
Btw passive tank is a tank that uses shield recharge rate and resists to mitigate incoming damage. What your fit is, and what you are asking for is a buffer tank.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:56:00 -
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Buffer =/= Passive
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones DO NOT PASSIVE TANK A CYCLONE
Werd 2 tha muthar..
Use the ships bonuses. If you want to passive tank a minnie bc then fly a cane ffs..  ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Cipher Jones DO NOT PASSIVE TANK A CYCLONE
Werd 2 tha muthar..
Use the ships bonuses. If you want to passive tank a minnie bc then fly a cane ffs.. 
These two people are wrong. Buffer tanked cyclones are flat better than buffer tanked Hurricanes.
-Liang |

Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Cipher Jones DO NOT PASSIVE TANK A CYCLONE
Werd 2 tha muthar..
Use the ships bonuses. If you want to passive tank a minnie bc then fly a cane ffs.. 
These two people are wrong. Buffer tanked cyclones are flat better than buffer tanked Hurricanes.
-Liang
Just to mirror Intigo damn my soul but: Stop Poasting..  |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Just to mirror Intigo damn my soul but: Stop Poasting.. 
Honestly, the only reason you should ever active tank a Cyclone is if you've got blue pills and a HG crystal set. So back atcha, esstupido.
-Liang |

Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Just to mirror Intigo damn my soul but: Stop Poasting.. 
Honestly, the only reason you should ever active tank a Cyclone is if you've got blue pills and a HG crystal set. So back atcha, esstupido.
-Liang
Catches the shiat ball and tosses it back.
Why is the hell would you EVER fly a cyclone unless you are epic hg crystal blue pill bait?  ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Why is the hell would you EVER fly a cyclone unless you are epic hg crystal blue pill bait? 
Because its better at shield buffer tanking than the Hurricane, maybe? 
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Why is the hell would you EVER fly a cyclone unless you are epic hg crystal blue pill bait? 
Because its better at shield buffer tanking than the Hurricane, maybe? 
-Liang
So is a Drake. Your point? ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/09/2010 05:59:45
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So is a Drake. Your point?
That anyone saying you shouldn't buffer tank a Cyclone is wrong. 
-Liang
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Use the ships bonuses. If you want to passive tank a minnie bc then fly a cane ffs..
Awesome job suggesting a ship thats worse at the task there... -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So is a Drake. Your point?
That anyone saying you shouldn't buffer tank a Cyclone is wrong. 
-Liang
So why would you buffer tnak a cyclone past some eft stat whooring nonsense? ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So why would you buffer tnak a cyclone past some eft stat whooring nonsense?
Mmaaaayyyybbbeeeee its because a buffer tanked Cyclone is a better ship than a buffer tanked Hurricane......
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So why would you buffer tnak a cyclone past some eft stat whooring nonsense?
Mmaaaayyyybbbeeeee its because a buffer tanked Cyclone is a better ship than a buffer tanked Hurricane......
-Liang
[Citation Needed] ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So why would you buffer tnak a cyclone past some eft stat whooring nonsense?
Mmaaaayyyybbbeeeee its because a buffer tanked Cyclone is a better ship than a buffer tanked Hurricane......
-Liang
[Citation Needed]
Beyond this, I point to the fact that it has 5 mids and naturally more shield HP than a Hurricane. You have the choice of using those for more HP or for more tackle. Either way, its better at it than the Hurricane.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So why would you buffer tnak a cyclone past some eft stat whooring nonsense?
Mmaaaayyyybbbeeeee its because a buffer tanked Cyclone is a better ship than a buffer tanked Hurricane......
-Liang
[Citation Needed]
Beyond this, I point to the fact that it has 5 mids and naturally more shield HP than a Hurricane. You have the choice of using those for more HP or for more tackle. Either way, its better at it than the Hurricane.
-Liang
And a Drake is better than both ships combined for a passive shield tank. But again wtf has that to do with its general usefulness? Are fights decided by how much 1 vs 1 tank a ship has now as last time I checked even an uber tanked Drake dies horribly to a couple of ships. So again why would you undock in a Cyclone at all unless you are epic hg crystal blue pill bait? ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor And a Drake is better than both ships combined for a passive shield tank.
You bring a Drake and I'll bring a Hurricane+Cyclone. Lets see who wins that. 
Quote: But again wtf has that to do with its general usefulness? Are fights decided by how much 1 vs 1 tank a ship has now as last time I checked even an uber tanked Drake dies horribly to a couple of ships.
I'm not suggesting uber tanking your Cyclone, you dimwit.
Quote: So again why would you undock in a Cyclone shield buffer tanked Minmatar BC at all unless you are epic hg crystal blue pill bait?
Hey, I fixed your posting to be a bit more consistent with itself. My my don't you sound stupid now.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:28:00 -
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Kekeke.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor And a Drake is better than both ships combined for a passive shield tank.
You bring a Drake and I'll bring a Hurricane+Cyclone. Lets see who wins that. 
Way to miss the point jenius. 
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor But again wtf has that to do with its general usefulness? Are fights decided by how much 1 vs 1 tank a ship has now as last time I checked even an uber tanked Drake dies horribly to a couple of ships.
I'm not suggesting uber tanking your Cyclone, you dimwit.
So what exactly are you suggesting? That you fly a buffer tanked cyclone instead of a buffer tanked hurricane? Again, [Certification Needed]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So again why would you undock in a Cyclone shield buffer tanked Minmatar BC at all unless you are epic hg crystal blue pill bait?
Hey, I fixed your posting to be a bit more consistent with itself. My my don't you sound stupid now.
-Liang
Are you seriously suggesting that a pilot should undock in an active shield tanked hurricane?  ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Way to miss the point jenius. 
You gotta have one for me to miss it you know.
Quote: So what exactly are you suggesting? That you fly a buffer tanked cyclone instead of a buffer tanked hurricane? Again, [Certification Needed]
FYP
Quote: Are you seriously suggesting that a pilot should undock in an active shield tanked hurricane? 
Of course not. I was saying that the Cyclone is better at shield tanking (both buffer and active), and if someone shouldn't undock a Cyclone buffer fit, they definitely shouldn't undock a Hurricane that way either. Do try to keep up, dearie.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:42:00 -
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Glutton for punishment tonite eh?
kk..
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Way to miss the point jenius. 
You gotta have one for me to miss it you know.
Hey! You are the one suggesting that someone should fly a buffer tanked cyclone instead of a buffer tanked cane! 
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor So what exactly are you suggesting? That you fly a buffer tanked cyclone instead of a buffer tanked hurricane? Again, [Certification Needed]
FYP
Thats like saying that I fixed something by stomping it into pieces and scattering them to the four cardinal directions.  
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Are you seriously suggesting that a pilot should undock in an active shield tanked hurricane? 
Of course not. I was saying that the Cyclone is better at shield tanking (both buffer and active), and if someone shouldn't undock a Cyclone buffer fit, they definitely shouldn't undock a Hurricane that way either. Do try to keep up, dearie.
-Liang
  wat is this i dont even    ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Glutton for punishment tonite eh?
Self descriptive, eh?
Quote: Hey! You are the one suggesting that someone should fly a buffer tanked cyclone instead of a buffer tanked cane! 
Yeah, because its better at it.
Quote: Thats like saying that I fixed something by stomping it into pieces and scattering them to the four cardinal directions.  
Well, you're right. Your post was a bit too broken to properly fix. But maybe its better that way.
Quote:
  wat is this i dont even   
That's called "logic". I know, you've never heard of it. Don't worry, they introduce it in first grade.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 06:53:00 -
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Fumble!
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Glutton for punishment tonite eh?
Self descriptive, eh?
Seriously mate..
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Hey! You are the one suggesting that someone should fly a buffer tanked cyclone instead of a buffer tanked cane! 
Yeah, because its better at it.
Why is that? Taken in the context of a general pvp roam of course.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Thats like saying that I fixed something by stomping it into pieces and scattering them to the four cardinal directions.  
Well, you're right. Your post was a bit too broken to properly fix. But maybe its better that way.
Again, wat is this i dont even.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
  wat is this i dont even   
That's called "logic". I know, you've never heard of it. Don't worry, they introduce it in first grade.
-Liang
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/09/2010 07:17:31
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Why is that? Taken in the context of a general pvp roam of course.
Its not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be:
Benefits to using a Hurricane: The option of fitting TEs or Nanos Benefits to using a Cyclone: The option of fitting more tackle (a web) or more tank (second LSE/Invuln)
Whether you want the second invuln or the web to me depends on whether or not you have a scim in gang.
-Liang
Ed: And its worth noting that if you fit the web, the option of having fit TEs or Nanos suddenly becomes meaningless. And that web? Its kinda important when you're solo.  -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Its not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be:
Benefits to using a Hurricane: The option of fitting TEs or Nanos Benefits to using a Cyclone: The option of fitting more tackle (a web) or more tank (second LSE/Invuln)
Whether you want the second invuln or the web to me depends on whether or not you have a scim in gang.
-Liang
Ed: And its worth noting that if you fit the web, the option of having fit TEs or Nanos suddenly becomes meaningless. And that web? Its kinda important when you're solo. 
Then explain why I never see cyclones except when they are hg crystal blue pill baiting gank magnets? Could you please share this awesome cyclone fit that is better than a hurricane for general pew pew goodness? ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/09/2010 07:36:35
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Then explain why I never see cyclones except when they are hg crystal blue pill baiting gank magnets?
Two things: 1) People are stupid and get indoctrinated by people claiming the Hurricane is always better. 2) Where in hell do you see these magic HG Crystal Blue Pill bait ships other than your EFT window?
Quote: Could you please share this awesome cyclone fit that is better than a hurricane for general pew pew goodness?
[Cyclone, Buffer Gank Cyclone] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x4
-Liang
Ed: As with most Minnie ships, you can vary the high slots quite a bit. I posted this one specifically because its the "template" from which the others are built. Vary in neuts or gang mods to fit preferences. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/09/2010 07:36:35
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Then explain why I never see cyclones except when they are hg crystal blue pill baiting gank magnets?
Two things: 1) People are stupid and get indoctrinated by people claiming the Hurricane is always better. 2) Where in hell do you see these magic HG Crystal Blue Pill bait ships other than your EFT window?
1) People tend to use what works best hence the rareity of cyclones on the general pvp battlefield. Sorry if your eft whooring doesn't mesh with eve's fake reality. 2) My point exactly. You don't even see cyclones with the epic hg crystal blue pill bait fits let alone on a general pvp roam.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Could you please share this awesome cyclone fit that is better than a hurricane for general pew pew goodness?
[Cyclone, Buffer Gank Cyclone] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Fulmination Assault Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x4
-Liang
Ed: As with most Minnie ships, you can vary the high slots quite a bit. I posted this one specifically because its the "template" from which the others are built. Vary in neuts or gang mods to fit preferences.
This is better than a cane how?  ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
1) People tend to use what works best hence the rareity of cyclones on the general pvp battlefield. Sorry if your eft whooring doesn't mesh with eve's fake reality.
WTF are you talking about? I've been using Cyclones in PVP for a really long time, and they are better than Hurricanes in many ways.
Quote:
2) My point exactly. You don't even see cyclones with the epic hg crystal blue pill bait fits let alone on a general pvp roam.
Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you just sunk 2 bil into your clone and should fly a Sleip. Nope. Not at all. 
Quote: This is better than a cane how? 
You see that web? Yeah that one? It makes a difference, noob. Replace it with another Invuln and you're suddenly tanking a lot more than any Hurricane. Bringing a Hurricane when you got shield reps in gang is ****ing stupid.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
1) People tend to use what works best hence the rareity of cyclones on the general pvp battlefield. Sorry if your eft whooring doesn't mesh with eve's fake reality.
WTF are you talking about? I've been using Cyclones in PVP for a really long time, and they are better than Hurricanes in many ways.
And you have yet to name even one instance past general factless trolling. 
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
2) My point exactly. You don't even see cyclones with the epic hg crystal blue pill bait fits let alone on a general pvp roam.
Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you just sunk 2 bil into your clone and should fly a Sleip. Nope. Not at all. 
Exactly again. Why whould you even bother with a cyclone with a hg crystal set when the uber superiour sleip is available?
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor This is better than a cane how? 
You see that web? Yeah that one? It makes a difference, noob. Replace it with another Invuln and you're suddenly tanking a lot more than any Hurricane. Bringing a Hurricane when you got shield reps in gang is ****ing stupid.
-Liang
Ummm yeah, a 52% web on a ship with enough tracking to kill even frigates without a web if the pilot has even a smidgen of skill. Also if you are bringing a buffer cyclone on a roam that includes a scimi then you are doing it so wrong its just criminal.  ZOMG!!! |

Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/09/2010 08:13:32
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor And you have yet to name even one instance past general factless trolling. 
WTF?
Quote: Exactly again. Why whould you even bother with a cyclone with a hg crystal set when the uber superiour sleip is available?
I wouldn't. Which is why I buffer tank mine. 
Quote: Ummm yeah, a 52% web on a ship with enough tracking to kill even frigates without a web if the pilot has even a smidgen of skill. Also if you are bringing a buffer cyclone on a roam that includes a scimi then you are doing it so wrong its just criminal. 
Dude get a ****ing clue and go learn to play Eve. I've already told you why it works - both in EFT and more importantly in game. You're just being a ****ing ******ed troll, and I honestly have better things to spend my time on.
Have a fantastic night.
-Liang
Ed: BTW, webs have more uses than shooting frigs.  -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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