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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:39:00 -
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If someone wants to pay $5000 for a t2 bpo, is that considered RMT if the transaction is made?
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Dalmont Delantee
Gallente
Fidelis Discordia
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:39:00 -
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I think you can answer the question yourself with that....
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:42:00 -
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This IS a violation of EULA and is considered a RMT. Don't do it.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Michelle Vega
pay $5000
Originally by: Michelle Vega
is that considered Real Money Trade
Herp.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Michelle Vega
$5000
Real Money
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for a t2 bpo
Trade
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is that considered RMT?
Sooooooooooà Maybe?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/09/2010 18:53:07
Just to play devils advocate, CCP would have no way of knowing you recieved real world funds outside of the game, they'd just see the BPO changing hands.
Unless of course you talk about it in game while the transaction is being made, or make a thread about it.
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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:52:00 -
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K thanks :)
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:57:00 -
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Who f'ing cares? Take the money and buy a new account if you get banned.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Who f'ing cares? Take the money and buy a new account if you get banned.
Hell buy 4 to 5 off the character market!
Indulge you deserve it!
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Pi'Ell
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:24:00 -
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Or sell a paper clip on ebay for $5000. Throw the T2 BPO in for free.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pi'Ell
Or sell a paper clip on ebay for $5000. Throw the T2 BPO in for free.
eBay started punishing people for using that "trick" years ago.
...Don't ask me where or when I heard that. Nothing to do with me personally, I've never used eBay in my life, not that I can recall anyway.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:53:00 -
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The only way this would be allowed is if the purchaser spent the $50000 buying game time cards/plex's and then trading them for the BPO in game as isk.
Otherwise if CCP found out both the buyer and seller would be banned.
Plus you would run the risk of being scammed any way if you did it out of game.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: shady trader
The only way this would be allowed is if the purchaser spent the $50000 buying game time cards/plex's and then trading them for the BPO in game as isk.
Otherwise if CCP found out both the buyer and seller would be banned.
Plus you would run the risk of being scammed any way if you did it out of game.
Ssssssssshhhh... I sense epic lolz incoming 
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:59:00 -
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that someone would pay 5K for a game item makes me want to go live in a cave.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
that someone would pay 5K for a game item makes me want to go live in a cave.
You should see what people pay for items in certain text MUDs.
You're probably thinking, "Orange Lagomorph is just shooting off at the mouth hoping for nerd cred."
Naw, man... man, naw. You could literally buy a Jaguar with the amount of RL dollars some people have spent. For text... these aren't even pixels we're talking about.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.25 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 25/09/2010 21:34:36
Edited by: Steve Thomas on 25/09/2010 21:33:38
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Pi'Ell
Or sell a paper clip on ebay for $5000. Throw the T2 BPO in for free.
eBay started punishing people for using that "trick" years ago.
...Don't ask me where or when I heard that. Nothing to do with me personally, I've never used eBay in my life, not that I can recall anyway.
a long time ago in a gameworld far far away a Game company named Verant asked Ebay to take down sales of accounts characters and in game gold, needless to say Ebay at the time said No...That annoyed Verants parent company just a little bit. . .
thats when you started to see all kinds of weirness pop up in Ebay listings,
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Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.25 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Michelle Vega
K thanks :)
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Unless of course you talk about it in game while the transaction is being made, or make a thread about it.
This guy really is the king of ignorance isn't he.
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.09.25 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
that someone would pay 5K for a game item makes me want to go live in a cave.
1) Buy t2 BPO with 5000$.
2) Use BPO to make ISK.
3) Sell BPO for additional ISK.
4) Sell ISK for more than 5000$
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Guffimur Rogidi
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Posted - 2010.09.25 22:32:00 -
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I understand that using real money is bad, but what if I use some WoW gold to buy a t2 BPO? WoW gold is not real money, so it can't be classed as RMT. Or is virtual money from games other than Eve transactions (VMFGOTET) also bad?
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: dtyk
1) Buy t2 BPO with 5000$.
2) Use BPO to make ISK.
3) Sell BPO for additional ISK.
4) Sell ISK for more than 5000$
I understand the possibility, but only an idiot would go through with such a transaction. Depending on who trades what to whom first, either the T2 BPO can be stolen by the potential buyer, or the $5,000 can be stolen by the seller. A third-party service (do these even exist for shady RMT deals?) could potentially steal one or both.
There are so many different ways these scenarios could happen.
If you're going to buy a T2 BPO, buy it with $5,000 worth of PLEX/ISK/GTC the legit way, then let the seller do as he pleases with the ISK (whatever that might be). No risk for you, no risk for him, until the moment you try to do something shady with your ISK, I suppose.
Then again, I don't understand ISK sellers at all. If I had $50,000 worth of ISK in EVE, I'd just be happy I never had to worry about ISK in EVE ever again. Some people must be pretty desperate and/or poor.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.26 00:49:00 -
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.26 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 26/09/2010 01:20:02
I wonder if the op goes to the police department and asks:
If I give 150 bucks to a prostitute for certain acts, is it an illegal transaction?
I mean holy crap, I have seen some daft questions in my time, but this one nearly takes the prize.
This has to be a troll.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.26 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/09/2010 04:04:48
Originally by: dtyk
1) Buy t2 BPO with 5000$.
2) Use BPO to make ISK.
3) Sell BPO for additional ISK.
4) Sell ISK for more than 5000$
Ok, let's do the math then...
The most expensive T2 BPO at the moment (if the seller is not a bloody collector trying to gouge you to no end, so assuming a relatively "fair" trade) would be a HULK BPO, for somewhere in the vicinity of 80 bil ISK.
It takes somewhere up to around 4 years to make that amount of money back, by the way. Ok, say 3 years at best.
80 bil ISK would be translated via the "official" channel right about now from about 115 GTCs -> 230 PLEX (give or take a few), so around 4000$.
Hmm... methinks the guy above might borderline have a point. But just borderline.
You know, since the first point can already happen without breaking the EULA.
The problem would be into actually turning those ISK back into RL cash. You won't get such good "exchange rates" unless you find an idiot to purchase it "as is" for cash and you'd have a high probability of getting banned, thus nullifying your "investment" and turning it into a net loss.
So... wait 3 years to make those ISK back and hope T2 BPO value hasn't deteriorated too much, also hope ISK//PLEX rates haven't deteriorated too much either to destroy your paltry potential profit, hope you don't get banned trying to sell it and also... well, you know what, that's already a bit too many "hopes" for any reasonable person's taste, no need to keep going. Chances are very big you'd be facing a net loss either way.
Might as well just use the money to bet on sports or play in a casino, you'd probably have better odds of actually seeing any cash back from it, and much faster.
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:25:00 -
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This is RMT for sure, and if you ever get caught (/me waving the Veritaserum Potion in hand), you will see how we follow the EULA like our Bible.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Jericho
This is RMT for sure, and if you ever get caught (/me waving the Veritaserum Potion in hand), you will see how we follow the EULA like our Bible.
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Lexa HeIIfury
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:47:00 -
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For $5000 who gives a ****.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:01:00 -
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Take the $5000 - don't give the T2 bpo.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Take the $5000 - don't give the T2 bpo.
Then it is not RMT
Oh, yeah, don't break any gaming rules, break real-life laws instead !
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de v
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Naw, man... man, naw. You could literally buy a Jaguar with the amount of RL dollars some people have spent. For text... these aren't even pixels we're talking about.
Actually, text is also displayed using pixels.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: de v
Actually, text is also displayed using pixels.
Well, if you want to get technical, we're also just a collection of spatial pixels (particles)
And also, money in the bank is not even pixels.
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Electrobagel
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Electrobagel on 26/09/2010 08:02:45
Originally by: Akita T
Oh, yeah, don't break any gaming rules, break real-life laws instead !
That got me thinking about how this would actually play out in a US court of law. The case would probably be civil and not criminal; I can't find what criminal law would be broken. So, imagine the buyer suing the selling for fraud. The judge reviews the case and sees that BOTH parties are violating a legally binding contract (EULA). I think the judgment would be that the $$ be returned to the buyer since it should not have changed hands for the intended purpose in the first place and CCP would be notified by the court of the EULA violation.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Lokrano
I wonder if the op goes to the police department and asks:
If I give 150 bucks to a prostitute for certain acts, is it an illegal transaction?
I mean holy crap, I have seen some daft questions in my time, but this one nearly takes the prize.
This has to be a troll.
6/10 for stereotyping Yanks as ignorant cultural idiots, -1 for not getting any real bites.
Nothing wrong with asking the Police about the legality of something.
Fact: Prostitution is legal in most of the civilised world including, most of Western Europe, most of Central & South American, most Asian countries, most of Australian and get this, legal in more countries in North American (Canada, Mexico, most of the Caribbean) than it is illegal (Pretty much just the USA).
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Kizahhan
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Posted - 2010.09.26 09:14:00 -
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What BPO is it?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.26 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kizahhan
What BPO is it?
A hypothetical one. Or a pack of several. Or whatever.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.09.26 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Electrobagel
Edited by: Electrobagel on 26/09/2010 08:02:45
Originally by: Akita T
Oh, yeah, don't break any gaming rules, break real-life laws instead !
That got me thinking about how this would actually play out in a US court of law. The case would probably be civil and not criminal; I can't find what criminal law would be broken. So, imagine the buyer suing the selling for fraud. The judge reviews the case and sees that BOTH parties are violating a legally binding contract (EULA). I think the judgment would be that the $$ be returned to the buyer since it should not have changed hands for the intended purpose in the first place and CCP would be notified by the court of the EULA violation.
Correction, the EULA isn't a legally binding contract.
It might be in Iceland but in most civilized countries it wouldn't be. And before you chirp in with your lacking legal opinion, if MS can have their EULA nullified in the state of New York, I highly doubt a piddly little gaming company's is going to hold up anywhere worth a lick.
Regardless, CCP can do what ever they want in their virtual world. In fact, they should just simplify the 'EULA' to just say that.
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.26 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ruhige Schmerz on 26/09/2010 10:59:30
Originally by: Zelda Wei
Originally by: Mal Lokrano
I wonder if the op goes to the police department and asks:
If I give 150 bucks to a prostitute for certain acts, is it an illegal transaction?
I mean holy crap, I have seen some daft questions in my time, but this one nearly takes the prize.
This has to be a troll.
6/10 for stereotyping Yanks as ignorant cultural idiots, -1 for not getting any real bites.
Nothing wrong with asking the Police about the legality of something.
Fact: Prostitution is legal in most of the civilised world including, most of Western Europe, most of Central & South American, most Asian countries, most of Australian and get this, legal in more countries in North American (Canada, Mexico, most of the Caribbean) than it is illegal (Pretty much just the USA).
ETA: Some places it's legal to 'sell' but illegal to 'buy', even in precious Western Europe. See Scandinavia etc.
You're kidding, right?
Illegal in most of the Caribbean, not legal. Only legal in Cuba and Dominican Republic, illegal everywhere else down there.
Illegal in ALL of Asia except India, Kazakhstan, and Bangladesh.
Yes we all want it legal, but vast exaggerations and misinformation don't help your anti-yank cause any.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.26 11:07:00 -
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lol @ people paying for sex
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz
Originally by: Zelda Wei
Fact: Prostitution is legal in most of the civilised world including, most of Western Europe, most of Central & South American, most Asian countries, most of Australian and get this, legal in more countries in North American (Canada, Mexico, most of the Caribbean) than it is illegal (Pretty much just the USA).
ETA: Some places it's legal to 'sell' but illegal to 'buy', even in precious Western Europe. See Scandinavia etc.
You're kidding, right?
Illegal in most of the Caribbean, not legal. Only legal in Cuba and Dominican Republic, illegal everywhere else down there.
Illegal in ALL of Asia except India, Kazakhstan, and Bangladesh.
Get a room, you twoà
Btw, you both need to separate the issue of individual and organized prostitution (brothels), and the issue of formal and actual legality ù what the law says and how it is applied are different matters.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.09.26 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
lol @ people paying for sex
Your paying for it too m8, just not directly.
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
lol @ people paying for sex
Your paying for it too m8, just not directly.
Yeah but the diamond ring, gold ring, presents, putting up with PMS and her desires, antics, controlling don't count because... he... pays more with his soul than his wallet
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TheSlaveMaster
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: TheSlaveMaster on 26/09/2010 14:21:14
Originally by: Michelle Vega
If someone wants to pay $5000 for a t2 bpo, is that considered RMT if the transaction is made?
lmao you aren't a smart guy are you?
why not just ask "If someone wanna kill a guy, does that mean some want the guy killed?" btw. who the **** would pay 5000$ for an ingame item? sounds like you got contact with some professional RM traders
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 26/09/2010 15:28:53
Originally by: Guffimur Rogidi
I understand that using real money is bad, but what if I use some WoW gold to buy a t2 BPO? WoW gold is not real money, so it can't be classed as RMT. Or is virtual money from games other than Eve transactions (VMFGOTET) also bad?
This is actually a very good question. What would be the policy on that, ignoring the fact that it is terribly unsecure for the involved parties? (Well, unless Chribba decides to make a W*W trial alt.)
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:51:00 -
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Where would I stand if the prostitute operated a machine that pleasured me but didn't use her own hands?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
that someone would pay 5K for a game item makes me want to go live in a cave.
You should see what people pay for items in certain text MUDs.
You're probably thinking, "Orange Lagomorph is just shooting off at the mouth hoping for nerd cred."
Naw, man... man, naw. You could literally buy a Jaguar with the amount of RL dollars some people have spent. For text... these aren't even pixels we're talking about.
The stupidity of that comment is legendary.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Guffimur Rogidi
I understand that using real money is bad, but what if I use some WoW gold to buy a t2 BPO? WoW gold is not real money, so it can't be classed as RMT. Or is virtual money from games other than Eve transactions (VMFGOTET) also bad?
This is actually a very good question. What would be the policy on that, ignoring the fact that it is terribly unsecure for the involved parties? (Well, unless Chribba decides to make a W*W trial alt.)
The whole RMT rule is that you're not allowed to exchange in-game items or money for out-of-game stuff.
WoW gold is out-of-game stuff.
So that falls under the same rule as any old RMT: it's a no-no.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei
legal in more countries in North American (Canada, Mexico, most of the Caribbean) than it is illegal (Pretty much just the USA).
Prostitution is illegal in some parts of the United States and legal in others. I live in a state where gambling or prostitution are legal and a state income tax is not. I think there was a HBO reality TV series set in a US brothel.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 26/09/2010 17:13:20
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Guffimur Rogidi
I understand that using real money is bad, but what if I use some WoW gold to buy a t2 BPO? WoW gold is not real money, so it can't be classed as RMT. Or is virtual money from games other than Eve transactions (VMFGOTET) also bad?
This is actually a very good question. What would be the policy on that, ignoring the fact that it is terribly unsecure for the involved parties? (Well, unless Chribba decides to make a W*W trial alt.)
The whole RMT rule is that you're not allowed to exchange in-game items or money for out-of-game stuff.
WoW gold is out-of-game stuff.
So that falls under the same rule as any old RMT: it's a no-no.
EULA, article 7.5:
Quote:
You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
Ban policy:
Quote:
4. ILLEGAL TRANSFER OF GAME ITEMS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player is found to be:
a. Selling in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue.
b. Advertising the sale of EVE in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site by using the in-game chat channels, through our forums or by any other venue.
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however. warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Buys in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue.
You're most probably right, but I guess there is no real formal basis for it in CCP's policies.
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zxza
Caldari
Shits 'n Giggles
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:46:00 -
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I offer $5001 buyout.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
You're most probably right, but I guess there is no real formal basis for it in CCP's policies.
There's the terms of service: Originally by: ToS
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
àand the EULAà Originally by: EULA
7 B. Selling Items and Objects
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
There's plenty of formal basis for it in the CCP's policies. WoW gold does not exist in the game, so it is therefore an out-of-game item or service. As such, you're not allowed to trade in-game stuff for it any more than you're allowed to trade in-game stuff for $$$.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Electrobagel
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Posted - 2010.09.26 18:33:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Correction, the EULA isn't a legally binding contract.
It might be in Iceland but in most civilized countries it wouldn't be. And before you chirp in with your lacking legal opinion, if MS can have their EULA nullified in the state of New York, I highly doubt a piddly little gaming company's is going to hold up anywhere worth a lick.
Regardless, CCP can do what ever they want in their virtual world. In fact, they should just simplify the 'EULA' to just say that.
Interesting. I neglected the whole international variable. I wonder what status the EULA really has then in that regard, maybe there is some precedent? Food for thought, thanks for the reply.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.27 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 27/09/2010 00:10:04
Originally by: Zelda Wei
Originally by: Mal Lokrano
I wonder if the op goes to the police department and asks:
If I give 150 bucks to a prostitute for certain acts, is it an illegal transaction?
I mean holy crap, I have seen some daft questions in my time, but this one nearly takes the prize.
This has to be a troll.
6/10 for stereotyping Yanks as ignorant cultural idiots, -1 for not getting any real bites.
Nothing wrong with asking the Police about the legality of something.
Fact: Prostitution is legal in most of the civilised world including, most of Western Europe, most of Central & South American, most Asian countries, most of Australian and get this, legal in more countries in North American (Canada, Mexico, most of the Caribbean) than it is illegal (Pretty much just the USA).
I was moreso targeting the fact that the op asked on the official forum if something was rmt, when in every sense of the word it is rmt (thus he doesn't seem to understand the concept of what rmt is in the first place or is a troll). The Eve foums are read by Devs/Gms (i.e. the police of eve in a way).
So my comparison was an illegal act where I live (although it isn't illegal in Las Vegas supposedly), and the idea of someone going to a police station and asking if an illegal act, is an illegal act. I don't know about you, but if I were do go to my police station and ask them this question they would laugh their butts off.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 01:06:00 -
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If you ever pay real money directly to anyone other than Crowd Control Productions (or a licensed GTC vendor) for any tangible advantage within the game (ISK, items, characters), it's considered RMT.
How dumb or nanve would you have to be to not know this, even without reading the EULA? Who's actually even read the EULA, anyway? All MMO EULAs say the same thing: "We can do whatever we want anytime we want, and ban you from everything forever whenever we feel like it. You have no rights beyond what we decide to give you, The End."
Don't need a wall of text to send that message.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Hell's Librarians
Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.09.27 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Pi'Ell
Or sell a paper clip on ebay for $5000. Throw the T2 BPO in for free.
eBay started punishing people for using that "trick" years ago.
...Don't ask me where or when I heard that. Nothing to do with me personally, I've never used eBay in my life, not that I can recall anyway.
Hmmmm...no fewer than 15 such sales on first page of ebay "eve online" search.
Blocking eBay char sales? Yer doin' it wrong.
KB
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:22:00 -
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I'll give you $3,000 for it. Chribba can hold the cash.
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.09.27 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Jericho
This is RMT for sure, and if you ever get caught (/me waving the Veritaserum Potion in hand), you will see how we follow the EULA like our Bible.
For OP; Selling highly rare Occlumency potion for just 2000 $ extra. That way you can fool Jericho AND get to keep your 5000/T2 BPO....That must be worth 2 grand no? Ohh wait, make that 3500$ with the euro / dollar conversion rate atm...
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Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Lokrano
Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 26/09/2010 01:20:02
I wonder if the op goes to the police department and asks:
If I give 150 bucks to a prostitute for certain acts, is it an illegal transaction?
I mean holy crap, I have seen some daft questions in my time, but this one nearly takes the prize.
This has to be a troll.
You can pay a prostitute whatever they ask, its legal here
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Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
EULA, article 7.5:
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You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
Wallet alts are against EULA?
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lilol' me
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Posted - 2010.09.27 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Jericho
This is RMT for sure, and if you ever get caught (/me waving the Veritaserum Potion in hand), you will see how we follow the EULA like our Bible.
Unless your one of the main russian alliances where CCP freely and knowingly allows RMT.
so moral of story is move to Russia CCP Eula doesn't extend to their neighbours..
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.09.27 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber
Wallet alts are against EULA?
Ofcourse not if you do not intend to SELL that wallet account with a full wallet / items.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: clixoras
Originally by: Noun Verber
Wallet alts are against EULA?
Ofcourse not if you do not intend to SELL that wallet account with a full wallet / items.
The quote doesn't mention intention, and besides how would you prove intent?
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber
The quote doesn't mention intention, and besides how would you prove intent?
This isn't a court of law, thankfully. If CCP thinks you're loading a character down with assets to sweeten the deal, they'll bring the hammer down.
I'm not entirely sure why they'd care about ISK, though, because... well, you'd basically be paying ISK for ISK. Wallet totals don't really matter.
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Cyrus Doul
Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Jericho
This is RMT for sure, and if you ever get caught (/me waving the Veritaserum Potion in hand), you will see how we follow the EULA like our Bible.
If you followed the EULA like your Bible PL wouldn't be here among other things. Yay selective religion times!
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.02 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
lol @ people paying for sex
Your paying for it too m8, just not directly.
Yeah but the diamond ring, gold ring, presents, putting up with PMS and her desires, antics, controlling don't count because... he... pays more with his soul than his wallet
Wai...
Bugger.
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