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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:28:00 -
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For those of you that love civ style gameplay but are a bit less than wowed by the current iteration then this might be of some interest to you.
The modding potential is simply staggering and has already used up far moar of my limited game time than I can afford.. 
Quite frankly this will be one of those games that never gets removed from your hard drive once the modding community gets in full swing.
Hell I'm already making some new city improvement tweaks and some tweaks to the tactical battle system that should make it a bit less predictable.
Bottom line is that the released game is fairly average even with the obvious love put into it but man oh man once us modders transform it the sky is the limit.
Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.03 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Originally by: Zeba For those of you that love civ style gameplay but are a bit less than wowed by the current iteration then this might be of some interest to you.
I was looking forward to it, but decided to wait a couple months / patches given the numerous reports of a buggy and incomplete release, even by the developer's own admission. How much has this new 1.09 version improved things?
Not really enough if you are looking for an instant gratification experiance with the game. Hence my stressing the uber moddibility of the game and the promise of a massively expanded game on every front once us modders get into full swing.
If you liked master of magic then by all means get the game and use the modding tools to make your own gameplay changes to suit your style. Otherwise then yeah sitting on the fence for a month or so will probably get you a cheaper deal with mucho additional playability and immersion for the short wait.
Stardock is a first rate game company and has always had the buisiness model of releasing a game at around 90% then going the distance with additional patches to flesh out the game to AAA+ status. Sins of a Solar empire was the same way. Playable but limited retail relsease but after about 6 months of patching its now the premier action oriented 4x rts game out there especially with all the top quality game enhancing mods.
Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.04 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire As for Elemental link above. Lol. Elemental is just hilariously bad and it doesnt even compare to ye olde colonization in terms of fun or AI of opponent players... And as LONG time MOM player, no if you liked MOM do not get Elemental. Get Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic instead..
The stupendous moddibiltiy will see you eat your words good sir. As I stated before Stardock always releases games at about 90% and then using player feedback and mooching off user made mods ideas eventualy turns it into AAA+ material. But hey if you are on the fence just keep sitting as I guaruntee it will eventually be the premier turn based fantasy rpg 4x multiplayer game out there bar none. Again Sins was a fairly mediocre 4x action game before us modders got it up to snuff and Elemental will be the same.
Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.04 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Another Stardock fanboi? I can swear you cant even state your own opinion on game without tripping over one of them.
And sarcasm aside.
I doubt it. Sure modders might play with it a little but bad game + mods will be still inferior to good game + mods. And good games? Just say civ5 or even posted earlier Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic. It might become better but at the very moment i wouldnt even reccomend this game to my sworn enemies - it is that bad (and getting reviews around 5.0 in age when most sites give 7-10 means game is really crap - ofc thats not only review opinion as i played it too).
Well I am sooooo sorry that you can't get on the user improved bandwagon that Stardock has implimented. Quite frankly you cannot buy what the general public can supply you as far as invoations to the game are concerned. So did Sins start as a superiour game on launch? Yes. Yes it did. And by a large margin too as the space bases 4x game segment is not a really competative game area so any competition to draw comparisons to are rather lacking. But what Elemental is lacking is not polish or even a fundimental solidity to the game itself but that personal touch that only modders can supply.
If the eve devs ever grew a set of real balls and let us players have a direct hand in development via mods than eve would never ever ever ever ever ever ever drop off the list of the number one scifi mmo on the scene.
Period.
Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire If by "personal touch" you mean rewriting base concepts of the game, sure it does lack that "touch". Fact is that the game looks crippled compared to 15 year old production (at least the boxed version). What will mods do? I dunno and really dont care. If i were to judge games by "ifs" and "shoulds" then i guess Duke Nukem Forever would have been top1 game ever yer for last 15 games. Unfortunately reality check means you judge what you have. And what i have is steaming pile of crap (coz i really havent seen worse 4x fantasy games in last few years).
Sorry for your lack of flexibility. Granted I accept that some people expect a 110% finished and polished game on launch but tbh the itnernats age has made game publishing very much a fan oriented event. So by all means lap up mw2 and its non player friendly deployment and let us true gamers have a personal hand in what will most likely be a belated game of the year title with some good old fashioned ground level support.
Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.04 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Deva Blackfire If by "personal touch" you mean rewriting base concepts of the game, sure it does lack that "touch". Fact is that the game looks crippled compared to 15 year old production (at least the boxed version). What will mods do? I dunno and really dont care. If i were to judge games by "ifs" and "shoulds" then i guess Duke Nukem Forever would have been top1 game ever yer for last 15 games. Unfortunately reality check means you judge what you have. And what i have is steaming pile of crap (coz i really havent seen worse 4x fantasy games in last few years).
Sorry for your lack of flexibility. Granted I accept that some people expect a 110% finished and polished game on launch but tbh the itnernats age has made game publishing very much a fan oriented event. So by all means lap up mw2 and its non player friendly deployment and let us true gamers have a personal hand in what will most likely be a belated game of the year title with some good old fashioned ground level support.
Hahaha little fanboi got mad. Guess they ARE exactly same everywhere. Sorry ill leave MW2 to activision fanboys, and elemental to stardock fanboys as you. I prefer to play GOOD games, you know, the ones "they dont make anymore". So im back to playing YET another game of MOM (will be like 15th over last month), something you will prolly never manage to do (oh yes you can pray and wait for mods which prolly will never happen anyways) Feel free to go back to crippled games, "tru gamers" dont hand out money for every junk created because they have to suck up to one company or another :) *slurp*
Hehe. I bought Mom on launch and suffered through the crippling bugs till they sent me a patch disk in the mail to address the major game killing and game unbalancing bugs..
I still play mom and always will as elemental simply uses a few of the game concepts from it and is not in any manner even a spiritual successor to the game.
Modding however will eventually bring it to mom levels and beyond as quite a few of us currently chewing through the code are mom fanatics. 
Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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