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Devils Embrace
T-Cells
Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:24:00 -
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Did you mean for Giraffe to look like that or was it an accident?
Yours truly,
D.E
It's like they usually say about fantasy MMO's and men playing female characters: "If I'm going to spend alot of time watching this character, it might as well have a good looking ass". |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:48:00 -
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There are no accidents with God. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
500
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:51:00 -
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What do you mean? God itself is an accident. Considering gods are the fabrication of men. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
Sspectre
579
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:56:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:There are no accidents with God.
You mean s/he intended hangovers to exist?
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:05:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:What do you mean? God itself is an accident. Considering gods are the fabrication of men.
First, your argument is flawed because that would not make a god an accident, it would make them an artificial construct of the human imagination.
Second, the fabrication of the mind that God does not exist is the greatest self deceit ever sown by mankind.
Caellach Marellus wrote:You mean s/he intended hangovers to exist?
Yes, he did.
At the basest of levels it serves as a reminder that we are called to demonstrate self control and restraint lest we bring torment upon ourselves. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
Sspectre
579
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:13:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Yes, he did.
Anyone who could come up with such a barbaric and inhumane means of post depression releasing torture should be shunned from existence, not worshipped.
If I didn't know better, I'd start to think the Amarrian faith attracts those with masochistic tendancies.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
180
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:17:00 -
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I fear I smell a troll...
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:19:00 -
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The Amarrian God is no accident, but a skillfully crafted and brilliantly implemented instrument of social control. |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:55:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:The Amarrian God is no accident, but a skillfully crafted and brilliantly implemented instrument of social control.
Hardly. If this were the case we'd have abandoned the idea long ago as it serves to incite more rebellion, hatred and opposition toward our people than any level of social control.
Caellach Marellus wrote:Anyone who could come up with such a barbaric and inhumane means of post depression releasing torture should be shunned from existence, not worshipped.
Or you could just learn some self control and you wouldn't have to endure it. Learn self control over a minor inconvenience like a hangover, apply it to larger concepts in life and spare yourself a great deal of hardship in the future. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
Sspectre
579
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:08:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Or you could just learn some self control and you wouldn't have to endure it. Learn self control over a minor inconvenience like a hangover, apply it to larger concepts in life and spare yourself a great deal of hardship in the future.
Seeing certain events in life as minor inconveniences is insulting to their gravity. They're with you to be forever remembered, eating away at your thoughts as you relive them over and over again. When the only release comes with the temporary amnesia found at the bottom of several bottles of alcohol to the point you forget why you started drinking that night in the first place, you'll wake up the next morning with the most painful of headaches.
Then you ask yourself why you were drinking in the first place.
Then you remember.
Then the pain feels many many times worse.
So if you say hangovers are the part of someone's grand design and that design is without mistakes. Then it's a pretty ****** design, or they're a pretty ****** person. Either way, not a God I'd want to follow, either they're inept or sadistic beyond compassion.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:44:00 -
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I referred to a hangover as a mild inconvenience and suggested that you learn self control.
Secondly, burying your troubles in alcohol is not the most prudent of ways to approach them. I understand the desire to forget at times, but eventually you have to face them and doing so without drowning them in alcohol will allow healing to begin much sooner.
That you personally reject God's design doesn't make it any less God's design, he isn't seeking your approval. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:15:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Hardly. If this were the case we'd have abandoned the idea long ago as it serves to incite more rebellion, hatred and opposition toward our people than any level of social control.
What it's served to do is to assimilate a number of non-Amarr ethnicities into your culture in a very effective way. The Udorians, the Khanid, the Ealurians, the Ni-Kunni, a lot of Minmatar...the list goes on. Outsiders will have their misgivings, sure...but domestically, your religion seems to quell dissent to a much greater extent than fuel it.
I doubt your Empire would have been able to grow to the size it has if your God was such an inefficient instrument of social control as you seem to suggest. |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:19:00 -
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Yet the number of those opposed to the idea and concept of God remains significantly greater and, as has been proven recently, the opposition speaks quite strongly.
I never stated it was an inefficient form of social control, I indicated that it is quite a bit more than simply a construct of social control. You may continue to argue the point if you wish, you will not convince me and I will not convince you. |
Mardon Hashur
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:26:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:I doubt your Empire would have been able to grow to the size it has if your God was such an inefficient instrument of social control as you seem to suggest.
The reason the Holy Amarr Empire has grown to size it has is because of the will of God. The reason of the stagnation in its growth is for the same reason as its growth: the will of God. And for the reason of social control is that our citizens are true to the church and its teachings.
Sincerly
Mardon Hashur |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:35:00 -
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I, for my part, never said there was anything simple about the scheme. You'll notice my use of the words "skillfully" and "brilliantly", above. And the responses so far don't seem to refute my interpretation at all. The Jita locals would do well to take a few pointers from the Amarrian Empire.
As an aside, it is rare and somewhat amusing to see people get so defensive over a compliment. |
Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
168
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:47:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:I, for my part, never said there was anything simple about the scheme. You'll notice my use of the words "skillfully" and "brilliantly", above. And the responses so far don't seem to refute my interpretation at all. The Jita locals would do well to take a few pointers from the Amarrian Empire.
Ms. Katla, I'd agree with you entirely if I actually thought the Empire higher-ups typically believed themselves to be running any kind of scam. I agree that it runs beautifully, and I agree that some people down the line of history may have found it a useful method of control and encouraged it for that reason, but I actually think most Amarrian leaders have historically believed their own propaganda.
... Which is as it should be if you want stability. Genuine belief in your own product cuts down on the dangers inherent in getting your conversations overheard or message account hacked. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2012.08.01 03:05:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Ms. Katla, I'd agree with you entirely if I actually thought the Empire higher-ups typically believed themselves to be running any kind of scam. I agree that it runs beautifully, and I agree that some people down the line of history may have found it a useful method of control and encouraged it for that reason, but I actually think most Amarrian leaders have historically believed their own propaganda.
That is probably true. And it only makes it more efficient, as you suggest. Sincerely believing in something which directly benefits you only serves to increase the sustainability of that scheme. In that sense, comparing it to Jita scams (even if favorably) is perhaps a bit unfair. That said, it's perfectly plausible that a number of those people, too, genuinely believe they are doing the universe a favor by "preying on the stupid and the greedy". |
Hoshisuuvi
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
54
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Posted - 2012.08.01 03:26:00 -
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A man asks a meaningless question.
On the street... you keep on walking.
On the IGS... this is a perfect opportunity to debate history, morality, and the fabric of the universe with everyone nearby! |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2012.08.01 03:47:00 -
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Hoshisuuvi wrote:A man asks a meaningless question.
On the street... you keep on walking.
On the IGS... this is a perfect opportunity to debate history, morality, and the fabric of the universe with everyone nearby!
Of course it is.
If we're going to derail an IGS discussion, why not pick a meaningless one? Would you prefer it if we stuck to just derailing topics of actual interest?
Really, there's no pleasing people. |
Gwen Ikiryo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:56:00 -
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If you don't mind me saying, it seems a bit odd to criticize the Amarrian faith for being a method of control, since that's what the vast majority of organized (or even occasionally un-organized) religions... Well, are. That is, a means to impart a collective morality, law and culture to a society, and to encourage subservience from the uneducated.
I don't think this is usually by anyones design, though. There's probably nobody at any point in time muttering about how their "pulling the whool over those fools eyes", wether they actually are or not.
From an athiest standpoint, this is mostly just a happy coincidence. An individual or group of individuals project his/their values into the community, and, via charisma or some other method, they thrive and spread. It all happens nautrally.
And, from an theist one, well, Gods will is literal truth. And, well, everyone is merely following it.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
15
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:25:00 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:If you don't mind me saying, it seems a bit odd to criticize the Amarrian faith for being a method of control, since that's what the vast majority of organized (or even occasionally un-organized) religions... Well, are. That is, a means to impart a collective morality, law and culture to a society, and to encourage subservience from the uneducated.
Of course other religions are instruments of social control, too. What I'm saying is that the Amarrian religion does a better job of it than most of its rivals do. The perhaps most significant example of this is that God's existence is confirmed by Amarrian legislation. This essentially means that whenever and for as long as you are within the jurisdiction of Amarrian law, the Amarrian God actually does exist.
Few if any rival religions can make the same boast. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1048
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Posted - 2012.08.01 07:16:00 -
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Why did God give the giraffe such a long neck?
Because otherwise there would be an enormous empty gap between its shoulders and its head.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
69
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:14:00 -
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..well, crap. That actually made me smile. |
Devils Embrace
T-Cells
Moar Tears
38
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Posted - 2012.08.01 11:28:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I fear I smell a troll...
No troll here, i ask God a question everynight before i sleep, it brings me great enlightenment
It's like they usually say about fantasy MMO's and men playing female characters: "If I'm going to spend alot of time watching this character, it might as well have a good looking ass". |
Toros Culzean
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.01 12:29:00 -
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What did your slaves think of it? Did you bother to ask? Do they believe in God? These are questions we want to know...
Cardinal Lieutenant, Amarr Militia
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
339
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:42:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Azdan Amith wrote:Yes, he did. Anyone who could come up with such a barbaric and inhumane means of post depression releasing torture should be shunned from existence, not worshipped. If I didn't know better, I'd start to think the Amarrian faith attracts those with masochistic tendancies.
Ethanol causes dehydration, causing headaches and lethargy. After deconstruction from enzymes' work, the ethanal product proves to be at least dozen times more toxic than in its original form. It also hampers liver's ability to compensate for a loss of glucose in blood, thus, in the brain. Implies loss of concentration, fatigue, bad mood, etc. And it also creates toxic enzymes in the bloodstream itself.
From what I read, coffee is a way to increase one's own sensibility to it and to answer to your question, the mechanisms leading to hangovers probably exist to avoid body poisoning and ethilic comas.The more sensible to alcohol, the less the chances to become alcoholic.
Azdan Amith wrote:
Hardly. If this were the case we'd have abandoned the idea long ago as it serves to incite more rebellion, hatred and opposition toward our people than any level of social control.
This assertion is only true if the social control in question proves ineffective. But as you explained further above, I agree with you. There was something more.
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ms. Katla, I'd agree with you entirely if I actually thought the Empire higher-ups typically believed themselves to be running any kind of scam. I agree that it runs beautifully, and I agree that some people down the line of history may have found it a useful method of control and encouraged it for that reason, but I actually think most Amarrian leaders have historically believed their own propaganda.
... Which is as it should be if you want stability. Genuine belief in your own product cuts down on the dangers inherent in getting your conversations overheard or message account hacked.
I am not even so sure that most of them are the zealots that they seem to be... They remain men with power. Like capsuleers, with power, a subject you are familiar with, if I am not mistaken. Or, at least, I found your thought on the matter quite brilliant. |
Ava Starfire
Skadi's Call
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
369
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:17:00 -
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Farel, for God's sake, get a hobby. Or a pet. Or a boyfriend. Or anything else. Sheesh. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
339
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:51:00 -
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Why do you say that ... ? |
Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
263
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Posted - 2012.08.01 22:31:00 -
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I too am unsure as to why Ava responded as she did.
I appreciated your response to Mr. Marellus statement.
Caellach Marellus wrote:Anyone who could come up with such a barbaric and inhumane means of post depression releasing torture should be shunned from existence, not worshipped.
Shockingly, when you consume large amounts of a toxic liquid, you feel bad afterwards. This is not God being mean; it's you being stupid.
although my eyes were open
they might have just as well've been closed
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
Sspectre
581
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:18:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Shockingly, when you consume large amounts of a toxic liquid, you feel bad afterwards. This is not God being mean; it's you being stupid.
Stupid would be if it's not worth the trade off that you get from several hours of ignorance induced bliss to all the crap that goes on around out, and a good night's sleep.
It's just an unnecessary addition when you wake up back in the cold reality of things. If everything was designed and nothing happens by accident, then that's God being mean. Space is **** enough without waking up to face it with a thudding headache.
Of course, we're being hypothetical from my point of view, as I'm no closer to believing the existence of a divine being than I am closer to getting a good night's sleep without the use of alcohol.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
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