What I say is, to return that which is of God back to God's light, the Empire can not and I beseech must not use force - and in turn force the hands of the heathens. My Brothers and their allies will return that force three-fold and burn God's creation to the ground. Of this I am sure.

Is it not however so convenient then that few Amarr voice that the Federation should be Reclaimed, when such a move would be a delayed form of suicide? Ah, but God will prevent the Empire from being annihilated for as long as it takes to accomplish their divine objective.

Is it not so convenient that the Amarr can dismiss every single argument about Reclaiming with the fact that it is to save our eternal souls? Ah, but heathens are slain in droves without accepting God, because of precisely how the Empire strives to fulfill it's birthright of conquest. That seems... damning.

Unsurprisingly, my own belief is that the Empire acts in detriment to the entire cluster as it practices currently. But not only would I argue that, I would argue that it's actions are detrimental to itself in fulfilling the path given to the Amarr by God. What do you think of that?

Different logic is not required, if you climb down from heavenly metaphysics to mundane physics.
Timeless entities would be frozen systems without any kind of evolution or motion.
And invariant of any given system with respect to time is called an 'energy'.

Yet you don't provide One. Single. Proof of absence of this God. This makes you believe in absence of God.

My point is, you have efficiently called yourself a bonker.

And im pretty sure the catholic religion was created as an excuse to kill pagans......or something.......might have been giraffes......

So what was the evidence you're not some kind of deep-cover Gallente fifth columnist, again?

Likewise, people see a universe and ask, "Why is this here? Why are we here?" I can say that I do not know. Or that it is unexplainable. The Amarrian looks at this and says "I do know!" When asked, this Amarrian would then say, "This universe was made by God through unknowable means and for an unknowable purpose." Nevermind that this explanation explains nothing, but ask instead "What made God?" and they must respond with, "He was always there." Essentially, they admit ignorance.

So their argument adds no solutions but only more questions. They compound an unknowable universe, which we can at least understand parts of, if not the origin, with an unknowable God who acts not with randomness but with unknowable purpose.

It may not be inexplicable, it may even be rational, but it is no more rational and no more understandable than how one comes to be convinced of a godless universe.

Dearest Lady Hanaya;

I spoke poorly, which is no surprise. I'm frankly more surprised that I'm cogent at all. The only thing I meant to say is that logic systems which allow for "timeless" entities require a different logical intuition than we possess. This would make discussion of such a timeless entity extremely difficult. It was only an aside.

I am no scientist, but as I understand it, time as we perceive it isn't what time actually is, much like color isn't the property of an object but our interpretation of light that reflects off it.

When we call God timeless, some might mean literally 'without time' but I was taught that God's relationship to time was outside of human experience/understanding.

I am no scientist, but as I understand it, time as we perceive it isn't what time actually is, much like color isn't the property of an object but our interpretation of light that reflects off it.

When we call God timeless, some might mean literally 'without time' but I was taught that God's relationship to time was outside of human experience/understanding.

Ah Devil. Still making contentful posts i see..

If we take several assumptions about God:
* God exists (as like now, in present time),
* God is active (affects current events),
and
* God is almighty,
then you can make a mind experiment. Call for God to show Himself to you. You can say it out loud, or just think about it, since God is almighty, He will hear you along of millions of others calling to Him at the same time.
But God won't show to you. This means God doesn't WILL you to know about His existence, but rather wants you to believe or not believe.
If God is almighty and doesn't WILL you to know about Him, then whatever experiment you will conduct to find existence or absence of God, you will have no results.

Thus proving or refuting existence of God is both theoretically and practically impossible.

What absurd you are talking about, is, actually, can easily be probed both theoretically and practically by performing some experiments or digging for data. But before I take your claims seriously and will let you make experiments on me, why won't you present any evidences yourself, that you are, actually, Jev North and not a gallentean maneater spaceslug with long purple tentacles, who ate poor girl and is using her skin as a disguise. And that you don't want to lure and eat me too.

God def exists, whatever the "scientists" or evolutionists believe something always had to make whatever made our universe. Now come the always popular "who came first the chicken or the egg?"

Now lets hear it.....

Neither. God came first and then creation followed.