I'll post some from Sisi tomorrow at work. I don't have sisi @ home and I'm not doing it now. Log into sisi and browse the market, showing all, to gallente destroyers and you will see 6 variants or so.

...but it's literally on Sisi now. Are we finally getting ship skinning?

Well, they can give different faction skins currently by creating more ship variants. Yet its still a far cry from custom skins, its not a proper method to distribute them.

I would like to see a small bonus... maybe an extra 5m3 drone bay, maybe a +5% to sensor strength... something little but fun for each variant. It would create a whole new sub-genera of fit possibilities.

Depends on how they plan to distribute them.
Pick and choose for a winter gift.
LP + ship + isk
Aur + ship

LP + ship + isk I think is the only one worthy enough for slightly different stats.

yeah aur for custom skins

lp and isk for faction ships...

aur lp and isk for custom skins of faction variants...

**** that noise. ISK or LP should be the only viable currency. AUR can go **** itself.

fair enough but if you want vanity skins you have to pay RL monies for it and the only way to do that is aur... get used to it...

Bullshit. AUR can stay the sole domain of Space Barbie. Don't mix stupid with spaceships.

barbie needs her doll house bro... and i wants it in pink?!

Maybe they'll let you paint your prison pink, eh?

no brosef i want my pink barbie space shuttle!

Bullshit. AUR can stay the sole domain of Space Barbie. Don't mix stupid with spaceships.

Do you want them to remove PLEX too? Pehaps you think they should remove subscriptions too.
How do expect them to pay for ****?

Hate to break it to you but AUR is the future and will soon replace PLEX.

Deal with it.

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Impossible to say how and even if anything like this will go down. We have almost nothing to go on here... I think it's going to be a relatively benign issue though, and I would bet these paint jobs will be available in a number of ways... missions, LP stores, aurum (maybe), and perhaps even plain old standings... who knows?

fair enough but if you want vanity skins you have to pay RL monies for it and the only way to do that is aur... get used to it...

Depends on how they plan to distribute them.
Pick and choose for a winter gift.
LP + ship + isk
Aur + ship

LP + ship + isk I think is the only one worthy enough for slightly different stats.

Depends on how they plan to distribute them.
Pick and choose for a winter gift.
LP + ship + isk
Aur + ship

LP + ship + isk I think is the only one worthy enough for slightly different stats.

yeah aur for custom skins

lp and isk for faction ships...

aur lp and isk for custom skins of faction variants...

**** that noise. ISK or LP should be the only viable currency. AUR can go **** itself.

It would be great for standings and lp. Then a lot of NPC corps would have more meaning than "what mods are in their LP, do they have clone services, how many combat lvl4 agents do they have" Some obscure NPC corps could have really stylish skins, but oops, they only have cargo lvl4s. Industrialists sell these nice painted ships they get from the LP store. Or miner corp lp etc.

fair enough but if you want vanity skins you have to pay RL monies for it and the only way to do that is aur... get used to it...

Bullshit. AUR can stay the sole domain of Space Barbie. Don't mix stupid with spaceships.

E: I get what you're asking for, but I highly doubt CCP will ever allow players to design pure vanity skins (outside of contests, maybe) for the simple fact that it increases the number of art assets in the game. So yeah, keep stupid out of spaceships.

Do you want them to remove PLEX too? Pehaps you think they should remove subscriptions too.
How do expect them to pay for ****?

Hate to break it to you but AUR is the future and will soon replace PLEX.

Deal with it.

You dock at an interbus station ... you get an interbus catalyst ...
You dock at a boundless creations station ... you get a boundless creations catalyst ...
etc etc.

uhm ... what about the simplest of all possibilities ?

You dock at an interbus station ... you get an interbus catalyst ...
You dock at a boundless creations station ... you get a boundless creations catalyst ...
etc etc.

No ?

No.



This.



No.

All that paying with Aurum means is that you can either pay with ISK or with Cash for the item, with more granularity that the shotgun approach that purchasing PLEX involves.

Anything else is mindless hysteria.

+50% Optimal Range bonus for the IZ Cati? For AUR?

And you seriously thought they'd abandoned trying to sneak in pay-to-win?

Such charmingly nai'ive optimism.

+50% Optimal Range bonus for the IZ Cati? For AUR?

And you seriously thought they'd abandoned trying to sneak in pay-to-win?

Such charmingly nai'ive optimism.

+50% Optimal Range bonus for the IZ Cati? For AUR?

And you seriously thought they'd abandoned trying to sneak in pay-to-win?

Such charmingly nai'ive optimism.

That's a normal bonus...

this post is not on topic. also, you are not allowed to discuss moderation on the forums.

Anything to do with AUR....ummm...No.

Just no.

ISK and/or LP, or nothing.

Raw Aur sure. That's why the Ishukone Scorpion never flew. Yet if they add the ability to trade in a player made ship + Aur, for a special painted ship with same stats. What is the problem? Specially if they continue to spread out away from Aur. Like the lp faction avatar clothing.

If they limit the Aur painted ships to "gold" colors yet let other corps paint jobs be sold as LP, or even rare bpc drops. Why not.

Would rather they simply allow you to trade ship+ISK or ship+LP for a new paintjob. Not at all interested in paying RL cash for in-game items when I already pay a subscription to play the game. Regardless of how harmless AUR might actually be, it's Yet Another Currency that we really don't need in the game. Plus, the current inability to trade AUR for anything else means it can pretty much "go outside and play hide and go **** yourself."

Then you never would get the Aur supplied colors. Just because you wouldn't use the method does not mean it's not valid. Then people who bought the Aur painted ships could in turn put it on market for isk. Then you could buy it anyway.
AUR is in the game to suck surplus plex out of the system. Yet its currently a lousy system to do so since there is nothing worthwhile in the NeX store. Vanity ships would work a lot better than pants.
This proposition is also under the idea Aur wouldn't be the only method to obtaining special colors. Only Specific colors not obtainable elsewhere.

Then you never would get the Aur supplied colors. Just because you wouldn't use the method does not mean it's not valid. Then people who bought the Aur painted ships could in turn put it on market for isk. Then you could buy it anyway.
AUR is in the game to suck surplus plex out of the system. Yet its currently a lousy system to do so since there is nothing worthwhile in the NeX store. Vanity ships would work a lot better than pants.
This proposition is also under the idea Aur wouldn't be the only method to obtaining special colors. Only Specific colors not obtainable elsewhere.

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Rationally you make a lot of sense, but until there is a direct AUR <-> ISK conversion the danger of pay to win is persistent because AUR is outside of the game on one side or the other. Conversion in the form of clothing or whatever doesn't really cut it. Once you have that conversion AUR doesn't even need to exist, so we might as well just get rid of it. Hence my aversion to anything related to AUR in the slightest.

One all the more so, because I don't feel that CCP has earned the right to "double-dip" my RL wallet, to put it very charitably.

I don't know how much more succinctly I can put it. Its Vanity.

CCP pretty much learned is lesson. Just look at the ishukone scorpion. They abandoned the idea because it bypassed player industrialists When the players objected, CCP abandoned the idea tell it could be sensibly offered with a proper trade. As NeX was shortsightedly (debatable) designed to only accept Aur trade.

This is true, but in EVE ships get destroyed all the time. So would your vanity ships be like your vanity clothing? If so, that'd be pretty ****** up.
This could be yet another issue with the colors. Why not let player industrialists profit from the new schemes? You take yet another manufacture avenue away from players which deprives them of that sort of entertainment.

I don't know how much more succinctly I can put it. Its Vanity. There is nothing there to force the double-dip.
CCP pretty much learned is lesson. Just look at the ishukone scorpion (exactly the same as a normal scorpion). They abandoned the idea because it bypassed player industrialists When the players objected, CCP abandoned the idea tell it could be sensibly offered with a proper trade. As NeX was shortsightedly (debatable) designed to only accept Aur trade.

If they introduce faction variants of each ship then that's good. Market clutter.. who cares?

I would prefer to see paintjobs as a seperate process you can apply later, but it doesn't matter.

I actually like AURUM. It's not "pay to win" if you can buy it with ISK. If ship skins are purely aesthetic then they should only be available for AUR. Funny how the ones who complain are the ones who can't afford it...

I d buy AUR anytime so i can purchase some paintjobs for my ships. I really dont see anything wrong there.

No, the only tricky part is how to involve player industry in the process, either via selling BPC's for the paint jobs or some other mechanic.

CSM: Can the new systems (such as V3) make it easy for players to color their own ships?

Art: It would be possible to do this, but a decision has to be made about how much freedom is appropriate, and then mechanisms have to be added to the game to support whatever decision is made.

CCP Huskarl: I would prefer to limit the possible variations, just as when you buy a car you choose from several pre-defined paint schemes.

Seleene/Two step: Are you leaning towards a few CCP-defined schemes, or providing players with several limited palettes (main color, highlight, etc.) to choose from.

CCP Huskarl: More towards the latter.

CCP Mannbj+¦rn: I tend towards the former, because it's not just the color that you have to worry about, but the material (and how it interacts with the lighting). There are just too many knobs that would have to fiddle with.

Two step: I would expose the knobs and let interested players tweak them and then sell their color schemes.

In response to a question from Two step, CCP Mannbj+¦rn noted that updating T3 ships to V3 models will be easier than updating the T1 and T2 ships.

Seleene: Is this (coloring ships) still envisioned as a microtransaction thing?

CCP Unifex: We haven't made those decisions, but my feeling is that if (Art) spends a lot of time making a custom scheme, that would be an Aurum thing. But other paint schemes might be rare drops, or available in an LP store. I think there needs to be a blend, and just doing one will **** off one or more of the stakeholders. The same goes for clothing; there may be a rare "Field Marshall" jacket only available as a drop

Two step approved of this approach. Getting back to ship skins, he commented that while he understands CCP's concerns about the look of the game ("no pink ships"), EVE is a sandbox game and it would be nice to be able to be a professional ship skin designer.

CCP Huskarl appreciated this point of view, but noted there would have to be limits. There was a short discussion of possible ways to achieve the goal.

Seleene raised the issue of corporate/alliance skins and color schemes.

Two step suggested it would be nice for industrialists to be able to produce custom ships with variations in both attributes and color schemes, so that the ships could be branded.

CCP Unifex: Nice dream.

Seleene: Talk to Stoffer (CCP Soundwave) and see how far you get.

Excerpt from the CSM meeting may-june

but until there is a direct AUR <-> ISK conversion the danger of pay to win is persistent because AUR is outside of the game on one side or the other.

As would many people. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Even if you could not get them initially any other way that spending cash (which blatantly won't happen), they would STILL end up available to everyone in game for ISK when people resell them on the open market.

Winter is coming!