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Razor Vision	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:45:00 - [1] Anyone familiar with this ship? With its price tag of 20 mill, is it worth it? My intention is to solely use it for tackling.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.01 22:00:00 - [2] Yes, it's a good ship, very fast, decent dps and makes a fairly good tackler, but it's better as an anti-tackler.
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.01 23:17:00 - [3] Its not really worth 20mill if you haven't a clue about it or how to fly it. It was quite fun (speed-wise) then the bonus got changed. That was OK(ish), wasn't a speed machine afterwards but was OK. AFs were a lot more expensive then. Its a fun ship if you've flown/lost a few. Its not really something you're going to fly as a default or fun frigate though. Its not really a memorable faction frigate so unless you're in FW and pulling them out of the LP shop then I'd say give it a miss. If you are in FW then fly a few and lose them. Then decide.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:33:00 - [4] I liked it before it got "boosted" but now I think it's pretty crap. It's short on grid and can't really fit a MSE and a mwd at the same time. It's ok with an AB setup but that's kinda crap imho. I wouldn't consider it's cost prohibitive, a jaguar isn't really much cheaper. And if you're in FW you could crank out dozen a day easily if you really wanted. It's core problem is it's just not that good. I think a jaguar is superior in every way. That's not to say all the navy frigates are bad, my default frigate hull is the slicer. The slicer is not the fastest, toughest or the most damaging frigate out there but it's got a balance of those features that makes it tough to beat. The dramiel is also pretty nice. It's what the firetail used to be and then some. It is cost prohibitive for many players however. They were stupidly popular, basically replacing all frigate hulls in game, for several months after the changes. But most people lost theirs eventually and simply couldn't afford to replace them. So it's balanced out due to economic reasons. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Abram Thrust Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.02 02:59:00 - [5] it's a fine ship on it's own, decent punch, very quick. it's kinda like a faster shield rifter, but with a web!. however, while it'll tear apart T1 frigs, and hold it's own against T2 ones. when you compare it to the other faction frigs.. it's less impressive.
Razor Vision	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:10:00 - [6] Thank you everyone for your replies, they have been very helpful. That's really too bad that they nerfed the Firetail. It's a great looking ship, in my opinion. But now I understand why no one ever talks about them in game and why I never see them. (I just recently started 0.0 warefare). Money wasn't an issue though so I guess I'll go with the Dramiel instead (even tho I was trying to avoid being a cookie cutter tackler). But the difference in powergrid will certainly be helpful.
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Machiavelli''s Nemesis on 02/10/2010 11:28:23 Originally by: King Rothgar I liked it before it got "boosted" but now I think it's pretty crap. It's short on grid and can't really fit a MSE and a mwd at the same time. Actually, you can fit MWD/MSE/scram/web in the mids without an MAPC, but you have to go with 150mm or 125mm ACs. It doesn't do a whole lot of DPS fit like that, but it still hits harder than any other MSE frig i can think of (dramiels excepted). [Republic Fleet Firetail, MSE Firetail] Gyrostabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty high slot] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I is what I generally use. I have tried to dual prop firetails before but it becomes a bit fiddly
Razor Vision	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Machiavelli's Nemesis Edited by: Razor Vision on 02/10/2010 11:48:50 [Republic Fleet Firetail] Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty high slot] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I ^ made an edit. With this fit compared to the one above it: Less Sig radius. More speed. More Shield.
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Razor Vision Originally by: Machiavelli's Nemesis Edited by: Razor Vision on 02/10/2010 11:48:50 [Republic Fleet Firetail] Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty high slot] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I ^ made an edit. With this fit compared to the one above it: Less Sig radius. More speed. More Shield. Confirming that dropping an overdrive for a PDS makes you faster O_o. Also the t2 MWD fits without an MAPC/PDU if you have AWU 4
Intigo Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.10.02 11:59:00 - [10] So many bad fits. Firetail is a poor mans Dramiel. Fit it like one. ___________________
Razor Vision	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Razor Vision on 02/10/2010 12:11:47 Originally by: Intigo So many bad fits. Firetail is a poor mans Dramiel. Fit it like one. yeah, good point. but still, it isn't as inexpensive as a rifter. so no need to go that far. also forgot, i prefer different rigs as well.. Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I EM and Kinetic have caused me more of an issue as a pvp frigate pilot than Thermal and Explosive. Also, Intigo, you wanna give a better Firetail fit since you're so pro? ^^ Would love to see the changes you would make.
Intigo Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:19:00 - [12] [Republic Fleet Firetail, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S [empty high slot] 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Rigs to taste. Dual prop beats all those trashy fits you have posted. There are so many things wrong with your fits but it's too much effort to tell you what. ___________________
Malaus Kahn Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:38:00 - [13] I am curious, how does it compare to a Imperial Navy Slicer, for that matter all the races faction frigs - are they all comparable, or do they each have a special strength? Which are people's favorite?
Intigo Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.10.02 12:55:00 - [14] Firetail and Slicer are vastly different ships. All of the navy frigates are really good. Slicer: A more awesome pre-locus-nerf Crusader with ~20k Scorch and 5 lows. Navy Comet: Taranis on crack. Nothing else needs to be siad. Firetail: A bad Dramiel but a great frigate. Rifter +1 mid, I guess. Hookbill: Is already decent - will be amazing after the rocket boost. ___________________
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.10.02 17:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Intigo [Republic Fleet Firetail, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S [empty high slot] 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Rigs to taste. Dual prop beats all those trashy fits you have posted. There are so many things wrong with your fits but it's too much effort to tell you what. Heheh, I may be bad at PvP but that's almost the exact fit I tried for my first firetail. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2010.10.03 00:21:00 - [16] +
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.10.04 12:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Intigo Firetail and Slicer are vastly different ships. All of the navy frigates are really good. Slicer: A more awesome pre-locus-nerf Crusader with ~20k Scorch and 5 lows. Navy Comet: Taranis on crack. Nothing else needs to be siad. Firetail: A bad Dramiel but a great frigate. Rifter +1 mid, I guess. Hookbill: Is already decent - will be amazing after the rocket boost. What rocket boost?
Mercie Orion	Posted - 2010.10.04 12:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: Intigo Firetail and Slicer are vastly different ships. All of the navy frigates are really good. Slicer: A more awesome pre-locus-nerf Crusader with ~20k Scorch and 5 lows. Navy Comet: Taranis on crack. Nothing else needs to be siad. Firetail: A bad Dramiel but a great frigate. Rifter +1 mid, I guess. Hookbill: Is already decent - will be amazing after the rocket boost. What rocket boost? They are releasing a proposed "rocket fix" on sisi ( Or already have?) for testing. It gives rockets an increase to overall damage by increasing alpha damage but also making longer cycles for rocket launchers, so the total dps increase is said to be like 14%? Also they are increasing the explosion velocity so that they will do more damage to fast moving targets, which will REALLY increase their effectiveness against frig sized hulls by being able to actually apply more of their raw dps.
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.10.04 13:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Mercie Orion Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: Intigo Firetail and Slicer are vastly different ships. All of the navy frigates are really good. Slicer: A more awesome pre-locus-nerf Crusader with ~20k Scorch and 5 lows. Navy Comet: Taranis on crack. Nothing else needs to be siad. Firetail: A bad Dramiel but a great frigate. Rifter +1 mid, I guess. Hookbill: Is already decent - will be amazing after the rocket boost. What rocket boost? They are releasing a proposed "rocket fix" on sisi ( Or already have?) for testing. It gives rockets an increase to overall damage by increasing alpha damage but also making longer cycles for rocket launchers, so the total dps increase is said to be like 14%? Also they are increasing the explosion velocity so that they will do more damage to fast moving targets, which will REALLY increase their effectiveness against frig sized hulls by being able to actually apply more of their raw dps. Sounds good Much needed buff.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:19:00 - [20] Armor Buffer. Nuff said. ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.10.13 12:15:00 - [21] Think of it as a 4-midslot Rifter. In fact, fly and lose a bunch of Rifters and you'll be well on the way to 'pwning' in the Firetail. If you want tackle then use a Stiletto, cheaper and a whole lot better at the job .. the faction frigates (pirate/navy) are really designed to counter other frigates and destroyers to some extent.
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2010.10.15 13:33:00 - [22] As a dedicated tackler it fails in comparison to the tackle interceptors, which are roughly 1/2 the price. It's more of a dogfighting ship that's a solid (but not amazing) anti-tackle platform. The slicer performs far better in that role.

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