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Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.03 08:48:00 - [31] EVE-Search and EVEBoard runs their DB/cache off SSD's at the moment, does major boost of the random reads - however I have yet to see how fast they will wear out due to all I/O's of said sites... SSD in laptop makes wonders as well, nice speed boost and extended battery time + makes it less sensitive to bumps and general movement when carrying around the laptop. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Sazkyen State War Academy	Posted - 2010.10.03 09:09:00 - [32] SSD FTW TBFH -SIG- Ship comparison
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.03 09:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Chribba EVE-Search and EVEBoard runs their DB/cache off SSD's at the moment, does major boost of the random reads - however I have yet to see how fast they will wear out due to all I/O's of said sites... SSD in laptop makes wonders as well, nice speed boost and extended battery time + makes it less sensitive to bumps and general movement when carrying around the laptop. /c with around 10k read/write cycles per bit it really depends on how full those SSDs are, since the wear-levelling software will need some space to work with if there's a high IO load on them. But you'll probably start noticing issues a lot sooner than the projected 5 years with average use.
Brennivargur	Posted - 2010.10.03 12:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Chribba EVE-Search and EVEBoard runs their DB/cache off SSD's at the moment, does major boost of the random reads - however I have yet to see how fast they will wear out due to all I/O's of said sites... SSD in laptop makes wonders as well, nice speed boost and extended battery time + makes it less sensitive to bumps and general movement when carrying around the laptop. /c How big are those and how many? RAID? Originally by: CCP Zymurgist I have facial hair how can I help?
Johnny Malloy Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.03 13:08:00 - [35] wow that got me going for a second there, i thought "SSD" was an acronym for "serious sexual disease". i was going to suggest that you should see a doctor about that but it turns out its only a hard drive.silly me...
Reiisha Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.03 13:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Originally by: Chribba EVE-Search and EVEBoard runs their DB/cache off SSD's at the moment, does major boost of the random reads - however I have yet to see how fast they will wear out due to all I/O's of said sites... SSD in laptop makes wonders as well, nice speed boost and extended battery time + makes it less sensitive to bumps and general movement when carrying around the laptop. /c with around 10k read/write cycles per bit it really depends on how full those SSDs are, since the wear-levelling software will need some space to work with if there's a high IO load on them. But you'll probably start noticing issues a lot sooner than the projected 5 years with average use. MLC's have been developed a bit since the "10k" thing, afaik they're more up to 200k nowadays. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.10.03 16:17:00 - [37] I was hoping you got your hands on a Super Star Destroyer, but it's just a really fast hard drive. :/
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.03 16:19:00 - [38] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 03/10/2010 16:27:49 Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Meiyang Lee Originally by: Chribba EVE-Search and EVEBoard runs their DB/cache off SSD's at the moment, does major boost of the random reads - however I have yet to see how fast they will wear out due to all I/O's of said sites... SSD in laptop makes wonders as well, nice speed boost and extended battery time + makes it less sensitive to bumps and general movement when carrying around the laptop. /c with around 10k read/write cycles per bit it really depends on how full those SSDs are, since the wear-levelling software will need some space to work with if there's a high IO load on them. But you'll probably start noticing issues a lot sooner than the projected 5 years with average use. MLC's have been developed a bit since the "10k" thing, afaik they're more up to 200k nowadays. Quite possible, but the 10k number is the one I had read (when checking around for the SSD in my own PC), but if it's closer to 200k now, then that's very nice. Can't find any hard data about those write limits (odd though), but apparently a 128GB SSD can handle about 40 TB of writes before cells start failing, spread over a 5 year lifespan that comes down to 22GB worth of writes per day, and in most cases, you will not be using it that much.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.10.03 17:08:00 - [39] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 03/10/2010 17:11:46 Originally by: Grimpak the point in his post wasn't how SSD compares to HDD in terms of data and all that. the point in his post is SSD's won't replace HDD's anytime soon because of price. ok yes you can get one and install the OS and other software in it for extra speed and performance, but in terms of storage and, as stated above, reliability, HDD's are still far ahead. I still won't deny that SSD is the future, but they will only become viable when they totally replace the good ol' HDD in terms of price/GB, and that's still very far away. yes and no. the switch is going to be faster than you might expect I think right now the only reason more people aren't buying them isn't the price... price is always an issue with new stuff. Overall capability/performance is not where people really want to shell out that much money... people will shell out for ssds but not for the low low capacities we see now. When we can have sata iii interfaced with our pcie slots running the equivalent of a halfTB storage across a sort-of raid stripe, and get that for under $1k, people will be buying them up. as the high end users shell out, competition will get better and prices will drop for average people Sure, today's ssds are fast but when you can shell out under $1k and not have to worry about disk management too much, and know you just completely eliminated the slowest part of a modern pc.... well i know i'd put off buying that new ps3 or hunting rifle or whatever to have it edit: we should see reasonable disk solutions in the above stats/price neighborhood before/at a year from now. after that i expect people will convert rather quickly --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.03 17:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Elysarian Originally by: Brennivargur ... and holy **** its fast. Can't believe HDD's are still the standard... G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB SATA II 285MB/s read 275MB/s write HDD are still the standard because: OCZ 1TB SSD = ú2,326.25 Western Digital 1TB AV-spec HDD = ú54.80 so I could get 42 of the WD HDD's for the cost of one SSD? TBQH I have no boot time issues and only boot/shut down once a day at the most, my machine takes about 30 seconds to get to desktop including the 10 second POST. HOLD ON ONE SECOND... I think we might have just found a plausible ultimate question to fit the ultimate answer. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
illford baker STK Scientific IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.03 18:47:00 - [41] i have been thinking of getting a SSD, a OCZ vertex 2 90GB to replace a 10K rpm 74GB WD raptor as my OS drive. any comments on the vertex 2 or how much of an improvement it will be over my raptor?
Reiisha Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.03 23:47:00 - [42] Edited by: Reiisha on 03/10/2010 23:51:01 Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 03/10/2010 16:27:49 Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Meiyang Lee Originally by: Chribba EVE-Search and EVEBoard runs their DB/cache off SSD's at the moment, does major boost of the random reads - however I have yet to see how fast they will wear out due to all I/O's of said sites... SSD in laptop makes wonders as well, nice speed boost and extended battery time + makes it less sensitive to bumps and general movement when carrying around the laptop. /c with around 10k read/write cycles per bit it really depends on how full those SSDs are, since the wear-levelling software will need some space to work with if there's a high IO load on them. But you'll probably start noticing issues a lot sooner than the projected 5 years with average use. MLC's have been developed a bit since the "10k" thing, afaik they're more up to 200k nowadays. Quite possible, but the 10k number is the one I had read (when checking around for the SSD in my own PC), but if it's closer to 200k now, then that's very nice. Can't find any hard data about those write limits (odd though), but apparently a 128GB SSD can handle about 40 TB of writes before cells start failing, spread over a 5 year lifespan that comes down to 22GB worth of writes per day, and in most cases, you will not be using it that much. Apparently it's even better: http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html The 10k thing seems to be a myth from the 90's. We're up to 1m+ now. There's no mention of MLC or SLC though. edit: The article is about SLC SSD's. There's a small box on the right though that's about MLC data management. Apparently most MLC SSD's use a small RAM cache to 'delay' writing to the disk and prolonging the lifespan considerably. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2010.10.04 00:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia edit: we should see reasonable disk solutions in the above stats/price neighborhood before/at a year from now. after that i expect people will convert rather quickly would be good if you're right. I'll still play conservative and would say 1-2 years for mass implementation. more (5+ years) to totally replace HDD's for SSD's in the usual configs. the first platforms that will implement SSD's in a generalized way, will be, without no doubt, laptops, due to the lack of mobile parts and reduced energy consumption. probably 1 year from now we'll see them start to popping up like weed. this is just a conservative estimate tho. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.10.04 10:11:00 - [44] Considered this for my new system but knew how flash mem roughly works and did a rush round of reading up on it. Ignoring them for now due to research. Pity the people who havn't taken caches and indexing off the drive. 5 years is rather optimistic i think - but i am very hopeful i am proved wrong. The numbers arn't adding up from the manufacturers. Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm: Aint that right?
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.04 15:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Something Random Edited by: Something Random on 04/10/2010 10:19:31 Considered this for my new system but knew how flash mem roughly works and did a rush round of reading up on it. Ignoring them for now due to research. Pity the people who havn't taken caches and indexing off the drive. 5 years is rather optimistic i think - but i am very hopeful i am proved wrong. The numbers arn't adding up from the manufacturers. (EDIT) What am i waiting for ? ..... This ..... Dual EEPROM and Volatile Memory storage... The Eeprom is used to move an image of the OS into the Volatile Memory for everyday usage at Boot. To me that makes sense - i thought it probable if this 'data cube' technology, or similar, were to ever come to fruition. Windows 7 actually turns of drive-indexing, defragging and caching for SSDs automatically if it recognises them as such (and with most it should). After that it's a piece of cake to simply move your libraries to another drive (no reg hacks needed, Windows 7 has a button for it now) and the same goes for your Temp folders.
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.10.04 16:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Windows 7 actually turns of drive-indexing, defragging and caching for SSDs automatically if it recognises them as such (and with most it should). After that it's a piece of cake to simply move your libraries to another drive (no reg hacks needed, Windows 7 has a button for it now) and the same goes for your Temp folders. I should 'learn to Windows 7' Ill bury my nose in it again, however the fact that the drive has this fallibility makes me nervous about them. Guess ill have 30 sec bootups and 10 sec waits for apps till i really see the 'problem' doesnt exist in real world use. They are a tad expensive too for me right now, but nice to see SATA 600 ones making their debut quickly. Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm: Aint that right?
Lord Maldoror Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.10.04 17:13:00 - [47] Edited by: Lord Maldoror on 04/10/2010 17:15:00 SSDs are awesome for Eve. A few years ago I got an Intel X25-Extreme (32Gb) and ran Eve from that - it was immense for hotdropping, especially with caching in the client at the time probably not as good as it is now, and less hassle than running the whole install from a ram drive. To load grid fast, a good SSD is nice, whether it's to get quicker view of the field in a proper fight or top damage in a gank. These days the best drive (within sensible budget, not including $10k enterprise models) is probably the Crucial C300. It's got a read speed of 355mb/s if you pair it with a good controller (be careful of some of the onboard ones) - and of course you can raid it if you want to. The 256GB model is quite pricey, though there is a 64Gb model available with the same read speed and merely compromised write speeds - which doesn't hurt in Eve. People ask me from time to time how the grid loads are so fast in the videos - my first recommendation for an upgrade is always an SSD. Obviously cpu and ram need to be decent to take advantage of it, though it's a very worthwhile investment. Keep in mind though, Intel are about to refresh their entire SSD line within a couple months and will aim to re-take the market lead they enjoyed years ago with X25-E and X25-M, so if buying SSD for Eve you might want to keep an eye on developments there. Edit - regarding the C300, I had some issues getting the best performance with native 6Gb/s SATA-III controllers (using Marvell) on the motherboard, but the commonly used Asus PCI-E add-in card for SATA-III works a treat with it. ------------------------------ New Video - Ironclad

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