Mack is the AFK miners dreamboat and it can tank enough to be ignored by most gankers out there which having a good yeild and massive bay. Granted I fully expect miners to fail to fit a tank to these things but it does edge onto the skiffs job a bit.

Where do you get this idea that ganking hulks is done for profit?

To get a successful gank they go in numbers, and this is always what I see.

Making the point about tanking a mining barge moot. The risk of being ganked for profit is pitifully low, as the pirates will fly in gangs and with that number can generally do something else far more profitable.

The last time I had any Hulks popped in hi-sec was by a Nado. This is when they first dropped on the market, he flew in, alpha'd a couple of my Hulks and that was that. His loss was about 10 times more than what my gang's wrecks dropped. They didn't even salvage.

The Purpose of a Hulk is to return as much rock to the station/POS as possible. If you die, you return 0m3 to station and have to buy a new hulk to continue mining.

The Purpose of an Hulk is to return as much money as possible (a fail per se, doing another profession will yield more for much less risk).

Depending on the location the probability of loss might make it more worthwhile to lose an Hulk every now and then than always losing a sizable amount of income per hour.

Yep but thing is that the current Skiff on SISI still gives me 3200M3 p/cycle without implants and full skills, witch is more than I can get with Hulk in same conditions (I do have good ones thou but in my test had T2 strips and T1 cristals, no implants or booster)
-maybe those numbers weren't good/bug whatsoever but if those are right, I'll mine more often in my 80KEHP 82+ resist across the board 3200m p/cycle Skiff. -I do think my build is probably bug-

2 things came across this test, either Skiff mines far too much (the 200% yeld is a bit too much imho) or the Hulk needs another yeld and ehp boost. I can't think about CCP sort those exhumers like that, there's something wrong or my build was actually very buggy.

The Purpose of an Hulk is to return as much money as possible (a fail per se, doing another profession will yield more for much less risk).

Depending on the location the probability of loss might make it more worthwhile to lose an Hulk every now and then than always losing a sizable amount of income per hour.

Why does it need both a Yield and EHP boost? You do understand that the Hulk is not supposed to be the end all ship after the patch.

THE HULK IS NOT A SOLO SHIP If you want to mine solo use a Mak or Skiff. The Hulk is meant to be a fleet ship after the patch.

there's a subtle but important difference between "works best in" and "only works in"

there's a subtle but important difference between "works best in" and "only works in"

You can mine solo in a hulk still there is nothing keeping you from firing your "lasers" just understand that in doing so you are making yourself a target as your tank is weaker then the other 2 ships.

So why does the Hulk need a buff to EHP in your opinion if its in a fleet then? You want it to have the same amount of EHP as the Mak will have

You want the highest tier ship to be the worst, I want the highest tier ship to not be the worst choice but a valid option witch it is not with current build.

So why does the Hulk need a buff to EHP in your opinion if its in a fleet then? You want it to have the same amount of EHP as the Mak will have

If they take 25% off from maximum EHP I think that is far from buff.

Go make some friends.

You want the highest tier ship to be the worst, I want the highest tier ship to not be the worst choice but a valid option witch it is not with current build.

Yep but thing is that the current Skiff on SISI still gives me 3200M3 p/cycle without implants and full skills, witch is more than I can get with Hulk in same conditions (I do have good ones thou but in my test had T2 strips and T1 cristals, no implants or booster)
-maybe those numbers weren't good/bug whatsoever but if those are right, I'll mine more often in my 80KEHP 82+ resist across the board 3200m p/cycle Skiff. -I do think my build is probably bug-

If they take 25% off from maximum EHP I think that is far from buff.

Good thing that they're not doing that then.

Maximum EHP will be 22k instead of 29k before fleet boost/overheating.

That's ~25% reduction.

In case you haven't noticed on SiSi:
- All exhumers will have T1 resists instead of T2 resists
- Shield resists bonus is reduced from 7,5% to 5% per level
- Hulk's raw HP is reduced

So, it's good for you gankers.

In case you haven't noticed on SiSi:
- All exhumers will have T1 resists instead of T2 resists
- Shield resists bonus is reduced from 7,5% to 5% per level
- Hulk's raw HP is reduced

Maximum EHP will be 22k instead of 29k before fleet boost/overheating.

That's ~25% reduction.

In case you haven't noticed on SiSi:
- All exhumers will have T1 resists instead of T2 resists
- Shield resists bonus is reduced from 7,5% to 5% per level
- Hulk's raw HP is reduced

So, it's good for you gankers.

On TQ:
Armour: 1013 HP, 60/10/25/35 resists GåÆ 1641 omni EHP
Shield: 1519 HP, 37.5/65/62.5/50 actual resists (skill bonuses included in base numbers) GåÆ 3464 omni EHP.
Hull: 2531 HP GåÆ 2531 EHP
Gêæ 7636 base EHP