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MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 35	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:22:00 - [91] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Tippia wrote: On TQ: Armour: 1013 HP, 60/10/25/35 resists GåÆ 1641 omni EHP Shield: 1519 HP, 37.5/65/62.5/50 actual resists (skill bonuses included in base numbers) GåÆ 3464 omni EHP. Hull: 2531 HP GåÆ 2531 EHP Gêæ 7636 base EHP 9145 I think the number she is posting is before your skills are applied to it. I could be wrong though
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8858	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:28:00 - [92] - Quote MIrple wrote: I think the number she is posting is before your skills are applied to it. I could be wrong though Yes. Those are the base numbers. What's tripping Jorma up is the old-style T2 resist bonuses, which on old ships were included in full in the base stats (since you had to have the bonus-giving skill at V to be able to fly the ship GÇö much easier to just GÇ£bakeGÇ¥ that unavoidable full bonus into the stats than having to calculate them each time). With the new ships, the base stats are actually the base stats, but the resist bonuses are just as unavoidable. The old Hulk had a base EM shield resist of 37.5%; the new Hulk has a base EM shield resist of 25%. The former is reflected in the stats on the the ship's info card; the latter is not. If anything, the new stats are more sensible, since they don't give the illusion that you get another set of resist bonuses on top of the already-bonused resists. In additionGÇª Jorma Morkkis wrote: 9145 GÇªeven if you pick the wrong numbers, it's still less than the new Hulk has, so to reiterate the point: they have not taken 25% off the tank. Quite the opposite. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:30:00 - [93] - Quote MIrple wrote: I think the number she is posting is before your skills are applied to it. I could be wrong though So, why I get only 22k EHP with this fit on SiSi? I'm asking because if Hulk is getting EHP buff then it should be way over 30k. [Hulk, Tank Fit] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 35	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:33:00 - [94] - Quote because of your EM hole atm try putting on a EM hardener and see the numbers change
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:34:00 - [95] - Quote MIrple wrote: because of your EM hole atm try putting on a EM hardener and see the numbers change That fit is 29,5k EHP on live server. So, it should have higher EHP on test server.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8859	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:39:00 - [96] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: So, why I get only 22k EHP with this fit on SiSi? Because you're reading it from the fitting screen? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 35	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:41:00 - [97] - Quote I am not able to log into Sisi atm to tell you. I made a fit on that that had 1MLU2 on it that had 22k ehp so I feel this is a fair set up. I will post later tonight when I have a change to look into this.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:01:00 - [98] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: So, why I get only 22k EHP with this fit on SiSi? Because you're reading it from the fitting screen? Oh, yeah... 23,8k http://koti.mbnet.fi/raid/forthedrop.jpg
Pipa Porto 614	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:08:00 - [99] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Tippia wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: So, why I get only 22k EHP with this fit on SiSi? Because you're reading it from the fitting screen? Oh, yeah... 23,8k http://koti.mbnet.fi/raid/forthedrop.jpg The Fitting Screen doesn't let you adjust damage profiles. So it's fairly useless for figuring out the Effective HP you'd have against certain attacks. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:10:00 - [100] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: The Fitting Screen doesn't let you adjust damage profiles. So it's fairly useless for figuring out the Effective HP you'd have against certain attacks. Do you even know what omni damage means? 29,5k (25/25/25/25) 23,8k (25/25/25/25)
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 270	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:14:00 - [101] - Quote [Hulk, New Setup 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Small Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Look at 28K EHP from a 1 Shield Link Orca and still has awesome yield. God damn, the CPU, how you say. Well CCP give you two free impants that make it possible. Use um. Now for the next 6 days, please stop derping shield boosting hulks to t1 fit dessi. You embrass all mines when you do.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8859	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:19:00 - [102] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Do you even know what omni damage means? Do you even know how to calculate omni damage? Based on your screen shot, your EHP is (keep focused now, because this will involve a lot of numbers)GÇª 4099(1/(1-0.68)+1/(1-0.73)+1/(1-0.80)+1/(1-0.83))/4+2250(1/(1-0.66)+1/(1-0.45)+1/(1-0.36)+1/(1-0.23))/4+2500/(1-0.58) = 28388 EHP. By the way, the fit in your screen shot is not the fit you listed (and you could have picked a better screenshot since that one neatly obscures some rather important numbers that I had to guesstimate instead). When I fly the fit you listed on Sisi, I get 33,178 omni EHP. This is more than the 29.5k I would have gotten on TQ. HmmGÇª I also get just under 4k m-¦/cycle yield, which means it's very close to what I'd get with a tripple-MLU Mack. So yeah, it's quite useless for everyone, obviously. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Pipa Porto 614	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:21:00 - [103] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: The Fitting Screen doesn't let you adjust damage profiles. So it's fairly useless for figuring out the Effective HP you'd have against certain attacks. Do you even know what omni damage means? 29,5k (25/25/25/25) 23,8k (25/25/25/25) Do you understand that CCP's fitting window doesn't use an Omni Damage profile and that that is why it's useless? I'm sitting in a bomber right now with a CCP EHP of 2636. The way it comes to that is by taking my lowest shield EHP (EMP at 1386(1/.75)) and adding my lowest Armor EHP (exp at 392(1/.9)) and adding my Hull HP 351 EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:23:00 - [104] - Quote Tippia wrote: By the way, the fit in your screen shot is not the fit you listed (and you could have picked a better screenshot since that one neatly obscures some rather important numbers that I had to guesstimate instead). When I fly the fit you listed on Sisi, I get 33,178 omni EHP. This is more than the 29.5k I would have gotten on TQ. Clearly 24496...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8862	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:27:00 - [105] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Clearly 24496... GÇªbecause you don't know how to calculate omni-damage. Try doing it. It's fun! Anyway, I suppose we can add GÇ£does not know how the fitting screen calculates EHPGÇ¥ to the list of the many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many things you don't know about this game. Hint: it calculates EHP, not by applying omni damage, but by picking the lowest rests for each tier and adding up the EHP you'd have if people could pick exactly what you're weakest against at any point. It's the worst-case scenario that can never actually happen because nothing in the game delivers damage in that way. With that out of the way, would you like to explain why you tried to fudge your numbers to be lower than they're supposed to be by using a different fit than the one you listed? It's quite dishonest, you knowGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:39:00 - [106] - Quote Tippia wrote: With that out of the way, would you like to explain why you tried to fudge your numbers to be lower than they're supposed to be by using a different fit than the one you listed? It's quite dishonest, you knowGÇª Exactly the same fit with TQ stats: 24088 (EVE) It's higher but not much.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8862	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:43:00 - [107] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Exactly the same fit with TQ stats: 24088 (EVE) It's higher but not much. GÇªand that fit isGÇª? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:44:00 - [108] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Exactly the same fit with TQ stats: 24088 (EVE) It's higher but not much. GÇªand that fit isGÇª? The fit I've tested on SiSi.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8862	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:47:00 - [109] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: The fit I've tested on SiSi. GÇªwhich isGÇª? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Pipa Porto 614	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:48:00 - [110] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: The fit I've tested on SiSi. GÇªwhich isGÇª? ...Constantly changing so he can always claim to be right. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1236	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:28:00 - [111] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Tippia wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: The fit I've tested on SiSi. GÇªwhich isGÇª? ...Constantly changing so he can always claim to be right. Oh my, that's ... Creative. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

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