I love anything that makes things seem "real" (as real as space life could be)

And disappearing items for no reason does not seem "real" to me.

Like in other MMOs where items placed on the ground disappear after minutes

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

This.

All the derelict towers also take away from the Illusion of emptiness and unexplored vast space that I think w-space brought.

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

Roleplay forum is that way ->

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

CCP Soundwave mentioned in an interview few months back that they are aware of this, and are thinking of ways to do something about them.

I'd personally like to see abandoned towers to be hackable after some time of inactivity, month or three? With l337 hacking skills you could then unanchor them. The owner could "touch" the inactive tower to reset the inactivity timer, to prevent purposefully inactive tower to be stolen.

CCP Soundwave mentioned in an interview few months back that they are aware of this, and are thinking of ways to do something about them.

I'd personally like to see abandoned towers to be hackable after some time of inactivity, month or three? With l337 hacking skills you could then unanchor them. The owner could "touch" the inactive tower to reset the inactivity timer, to prevent purposefully inactive tower to be stolen.

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

Not sure I get what you mean. By real? And..what would disappear? The tower? I'm not suggesting it disappear. I AM suggesting it be removable by anyone. Perhaps after a certain time. The fact that it can't be unanchored by anyone else isn't real to me at all - how does that make sense?

There is no issue with offline POSs as they are now.
They don't cause any problem and there are legit reasons for having an offline tower in a system.

Roleplay forum is that way ->

I think touching an offlined tower to prevent its being hacked is a bad idea. Offline towers are, or ought to be if they aren't already, lifeless structures orbiting a moon in a slowly decaying orbit. Preventing their hacking/stealing/looting should be done by keeping the old girl online via the standard method. Physical access to an offlined POS should grant the accessor hacking capability provided hacking modules are being used.

Protip: Physical access = popped.

^ This. Offline = no power. No power = no defenses. No defenses = hacked or plant charges on it and walk away, letting it blow.

If you want to keep your POS, keep it powered. If you don't, it gives explorers another fun thing to do with all their hacking toys. Towers should also be easier to destroy by far if they have no powered active defenses going as well.

There is no issue with offline POSs as they are now.
They don't cause any problem and there are legit reasons for having an offline tower in a system.

Read as: "This works in my favor, so I have no complaints about it."

The legit reasons for having an offline tower in system:

1. Moon blocking; keep people from dropping surprises towers on you.
2. Having a backup base in system.
3. Left behind because you didn't feel like hauling it out.

#3 is the problem; you're talking about abandoned large towers that take hours for small-medium corps to burn. POS bashing isn't supposed to be quick, but when it's a derelict tower that's been offline for 6 months I'm surprised the integrity of the shield and structure is so good...

I use moon blocking now because I'm in a small enough system to do it, but it really is sort of a stupid solution.

Svo.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

I love anything that makes things seem "real" (as real as space life could be)

And disappearing items for no reason does not seem "real" to me.

Like in other MMOs where items placed on the ground disappear after minutes

1. Moon blocking; keep people from dropping surprises towers on you.
2. Having a backup base in system.
3. Left behind because you didn't feel like hauling it out.

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

Quick question - I know an abandoned POS needs to be blown up, but what about modules around it - assuming they are anchored but also offline? Can you do anything with them or is it a case of just blow them up (waste ammo/time)?

Thanks

Not sure I get what you mean. By real? And..what would disappear? The tower? I'm not suggesting it disappear. I AM suggesting it be removable by anyone. Perhaps after a certain time. The fact that it can't be unanchored by anyone else isn't real to me at all - how does that make sense?

Offline towers should be easier to destroy. No shields when it's offline.

Better yet, make offline POSes hackable. Successful hacking converts them to your corp and you can use them or unanchor and sell.

This is getting out of hand. I think there should be some kind of time limit as to how long an abandoned Tower can be left and when that time is up anyone else can unanchor and take it. It is trash to someone else but to others a treasure.

It sure would be nice to be able to unanchor one and take it home with you. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

CCP Soundwave mentioned in an interview few months back that they are aware of this, and are thinking of ways to do something about them.

I'd personally like to see abandoned towers to be hackable after some time of inactivity, month or three? With l337 hacking skills you could then unanchor them. The owner could "touch" the inactive tower to reset the inactivity timer, to prevent purposefully inactive tower to be stolen.

Be nice to know if CCP has read this thread and or is bringing any suggestions up.

Greyscale was talking about them perhaps deteriorating over time

This.

All the derelict towers also take away from the Illusion of emptiness and unexplored vast space that I think w-space brought.

Hacking is stupid; shields going offline is stupid. Quit whining and start shooting; it doesn't actually take that long if you have a decent fleet.

...because sitting there for hours shooting at something that noone cares about really is the pinnacle of excitement right?

Actually having to get a fleet together...

Why is it taking you hours? I said, "with a decent fleet," not one guy derping about in a Tornado.
Why does it have to be exciting? (And why are you shooting at it if you don't care about it?)


If this is a big deal for your corp/alliance, you have far deeper problems than the EHP of structures.

Indeed, it's quite easy to blow a stick from under it's mods with a fleet of titans and dreads, but no titans in w-space and not all systems allow dreads and sometimes not even battleships, so your *decent fleet* isn't always possible.
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I would like to see sleepers attack offlined Pos's, maybe after DT a sleeper spawns by every offline tower, at first it wouldn't be able to kill it but after a few days with more sleepers added, tower goes boom, that way if you want to keep towers at moons you will have to defend them.

Other option could be to add fuel blocks to stront bay to act as a anchoring fuel so every day the tower is offline it uses 40/20/10 fuel blocks, when it runs out of fuel the tower unanchors/blows up as well as all faction mods connected to it.

Why is it taking you hours? I said, "with a decent fleet," not one guy derping about in a Tornado.
Why does it have to be exciting? (And why are you shooting at it if you don't care about it?)


If this is a big deal for your corp/alliance, you have far deeper problems than the EHP of structures.

Now, there would actually be some use for WiS:
One should be able to enter the POS and make ones way through its dim-lighted corridors towards the control center - past the internal security system and escaped biological experiments, which you have to kill with your BFG 9000, oc.

Now, there would actually be some use for WiS:
One should be able to enter the POS and make ones way through its dim-lighted corridors towards the control center - past the internal security system and escaped biological experiments, which you have to kill with your BFG 9000, oc.

I love anything that makes things seem "real" (as real as space life could be)

And disappearing items for no reason does not seem "real" to me.

Like in other MMOs where items placed on the ground disappear after minutes

It's not 'getting a fleet together' that's the issue; it's 'getting a fleet together that's large/ganky enough to not make this work make you want to /wrists' that is, as most wormhole-dwelling entities just don't have the people to blob problems out of existence (blame the terrible POS security model for this, mostly).

Remember that any changes won't only affect those abandoned towers in w-space that are apparently annoying enough to warrant whine threads and changes to game mechanics, but it will be the same in k-space. If I leave a tower set up but offline because it's not needed at the time, I don't want to find that some scrub has "hacked" it and taken it away with little to no effort on his part.

Absolut not hackable or takeable ffs, if u get that annoyed just blow it up and build one yourself.

eve is hard and structure bashing isn't fun, boohoo. A neutron blaster Talos with 3 magstabs and void + hobgoblins does 1350 DPS. 10-15 guys will kill a large tower in one hour.

Remember that any changes won't only affect those abandoned towers in w-space that are apparently annoying enough to warrant whine threads and changes to game mechanics, but it will be the same in k-space. If I leave a tower set up but offline because it's not needed at the time, I don't want to find that some scrub has "hacked" it and taken it away with little to no effort on his part.

Hacking is stupid; shields going offline is stupid. Quit whining and start shooting; it doesn't actually take that long if you have a decent fleet.

Personally I say analyzer rather code breaker, gives a better reason for that skill.
And there should not be some long term wait.
It should be
out of fuel->burn stront->go offline->get analyzed with say -30% bonus(oh hey another item sees some love)->get taken over by new corp who take better care of tower.

the idea of being able to transfer abandoned towers is nice, but just being able to hack them is not viable for the POS market, imo. There should be only two options for an abandoned tower:

1. Destruction
2. 'Transfer' contracts, anything from a station to a jetcan belonging to a corporation should be transferable through contracts, imho. But only the ceo/director can set the contract up, so you would need to contact him/her.

If you don't like any of these then keep your tower fueled. If you don't want to be responsible with your tower, then someone else will.

Absolut not hackable or takeable ffs, if u get that annoyed just blow it up and build one yourself.

Some people put them up offline for various reasons including to stop people putting up staging POSes so there would have to be some kinda mechanism in play for that - probably checking if there was a live POS of the same corp/alliance in the system.

It is getting a little silly tho, every other WH I've been in lately have several dead towers scattered about.

If they want to keep the moon they should have to fuel the pos tbh.

Absolut not hackable or takeable ffs, if u get that annoyed just blow it up and build one yourself.

Hacking is stupid; shields going offline is stupid. Quit whining and start shooting; it doesn't actually take that long if you have a decent fleet.

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