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Captain Vidal Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.04 15:58:00 - [1] Which of those two is most suitable (Best... lol) for missions? I heard people claiming that the normal Dominix does more DPS or something? I played around with EFT a bit and I found that the navy dominix has a better tank, but less calibration points for rigs...? I guess the navy version is also easier to fit...? But otherwise, I wouldn't know. Can anybody tell me the pro's/cons? And if you would have unlimited ISK, which of the two would you pick/deck out with faction lewt for level IV's? I hope you can help me out^_^. _________________________________________ ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.10.04 16:06:00 - [2] If you are absolutely set on using 2x Sentry damage rigs, then you will not want the Navy version. Some people feel that is the only rig choice for a Dominix and so won't fly the Navy version. Navy version works well with full rack of 425's, 4-slot shield tank, 2 omnis, + magstabs and tracking enhancers in lows. I would rig for Sentry Damage and drone control range. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Captain Vidal Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.04 16:29:00 - [3] Thanks for your reply Pantload. I do intent do use the 'Dominix' (One of the two types) to assist my main in missions, so I might even fit it with RR's and stuff instead of rails. And so maybe 1 sentry rig+two CC rigs fit. (I haven't tested that yet) But I'll intent to use it as support, that's one thing that's for sure. Also, I don't have any shield tanking skills on the character that will be flying it, so I'll have to armor tank it. _________________________________________ ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Footoo Rama Gallente Beyond Control.	Posted - 2010.10.04 17:15:00 - [4] If you are going to run Sentry II's then the Navy is worthless. The Navy domi is just not that big of a jump over a normal domi for PvE play. It has an extra mid slot slightly better fitting and cap, but most builds teh normal Domi abilities do not justify the massive jump in price. In fact for most builds the Navy domi does less dps. Yes in EFT you can get the dps higher as with the higher fittings on the navy as you can get more dps from the guns. I argue that the Sentry Drone dps is actually worth 1.5x the dame damage done by rails, as the sentries have way better tracking as well as dmg select-ability. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.04 18:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Footoo Rama If you are going to run Sentry II's then the Navy is worthless. The Navy domi is just not that big of a jump over a normal domi for PvE play. It has an extra mid slot slightly better fitting and cap, but most builds teh normal Domi abilities do not justify the massive jump in price. In fact for most builds the Navy domi does less dps. Yes in EFT you can get the dps higher as with the higher fittings on the navy as you can get more dps from the guns. I argue that the Sentry Drone dps is actually worth 1.5x the dame damage done by rails, as the sentries have way better tracking as well as dmg select-ability. I actually went and bought a navy domi and fit it with 425s less than a week ago, I use it on missions where kin/therm are the weaker resists (as opposed to the nightmare). Only rail related problem I've run into so far is that in missions where everything starts off 60km or more away, the damn rats never even make it into drone range (~50km with my skills) and I feel that I'd have been better off using a vindi or something >_> 425mm rail domi needs quite a bit more micro-managing than other fits, but it most certainly outperforms its more drone-focused counterparts, and the damn thing puts out roughly the same DPS as a nightmare, it just takes a little getting used to (and tbh the tracking issue is moot once you learn how to prioritize targets and move your ship to minimize it)
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.10.04 18:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Footoo Rama If you are going to run Sentry II's then the Navy is worthless. I can't see this being a fair statement. A fairer statement from you would be "I have some very rigid ideas on how to fit a Dominix and the Navy Dominix doesn't appeal to my play style." Originally by: Footoo Rama The Navy domi is just not that big of a jump over a normal domi for PvE play. It has an extra mid slot slightly better fitting and cap, but most builds teh normal Domi abilities do not justify the massive jump in price. This I sort of agree with. The Navy version is only an incremental improvement of the normal one and costs quite a bit more. Of course, the same is true of many of the Navy ships. Originally by: Footoo Rama In fact for most builds the Navy domi does less dps. This is not quite accurate. None of the builds that I would use will produce less DPS from the Navy version than from the standard version. Originally by: Footoo Rama Yes in EFT you can get the dps higher as with the higher fittings on the navy as you can get more dps from the guns. I argue that the Sentry Drone dps is actually worth 1.5x the dame damage done by rails, as the sentries have way better tracking as well as dmg select-ability. You definitely get better DPS out of a Dominix if you make good use of guns on it. I'm not sure about your claim that sentry damage is worth 1.5x the gun damage. Tracking is not such a problem that the guns are that worthless ( especially with tracking enhancers fitted ) For my play style and my fits, the raw gun damage equals or exceeds the Sentry damage. If you prioritize targets correctly and catch stuff that is moving in-bound, the damage is quite outstanding. Oh and the other guy had a good point. You do have to micro-manage the hell out of it to get best results. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Footoo Rama Gallente Beyond Control.	Posted - 2010.10.04 19:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Footoo Rama on 04/10/2010 19:15:55 I've played with both 425 and 350 gun fits with the sentries as secondary... As well as pure sentry fits with rigs/2x omni and full rack of 350 II's. The drones do by far the majority of the work. outside of 35km they pretty much hit every time with rat specific dmg when running 2x omni. Your results may vary but after playing with all of the builds the 2xomni/2xrigged sentry II domi makes me the most isk per hour. Back to the OP, in general to get substantially more dps from the Navy you need lots of cash and skills. A low skilled player will not really be able to utilize the extra fittings on teh Navy effectively. In a drone based ship the Navy domi is subpar as it has lower calibration meaning you cannot fit 2x sentry dmg rigs. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Serend Gallente Rook Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.04 19:41:00 - [8] I tried the Navy Domi for a while in PVE and decided I like the standard model better. The 425's and Sentry II's work quite well together. My fit at present is something like this (currently at work, so this is approx): hi: 4 x 425mm proto gauss rails 1 x drone range control mod 1 med remote repper mids: 2 x omni trackers 1 x 100MN AB 1 x medium cap booster w/ 800 charge 1 x web low: 1 x LAR II 1 x RCU II (I think, or PDU) 4 x rat specific hardeners rigs: 2 x sentry damage 1 x CCC Drones: 5 x Garde II (almost always) 5 light drones II, rat specific 5 mediums II, rat specific 5 sentry II's rat specific Not really an AFK setup, requires a bit of active management, especially with the medium booster, which only holds one charge at a time. Good spread of range and ability to take out frigates close in without too much trouble. Gotta love the Domi. Serend
cynthia greythorne Gallente Twilight Labs	Posted - 2010.10.05 00:33:00 - [9] I considered the Navy Dominix, but rejected it as not being worth the price. I did, however, buy a Rattlesnake, and armour tanked it (gasp), and fitted the mid-slots to enhance the drones. I have been quite happy with this set-up, but I still also like a plain ol' Dominix.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.05 03:02:00 - [10] Originally by: cynthia greythorne I considered the Navy Dominix, but rejected it as not being worth the price. I did, however, buy a Rattlesnake, and armour tanked it (gasp), and fitted the mid-slots to enhance the drones. I have been quite happy with this set-up, but I still also like a plain ol' Dominix. The navy dominix is literally the best gallente mission running ship out there, and if you run a fair number of kin/therm missions it will outperform not only the nightmare, but the CNR and golem as well.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.10.05 03:21:00 - [11] Navy domi for pve? Well I guess you could pimp it out and get a few extra percent effeciency over a normal domi. Or not depending upon how you like to use it. But for pvp with competant gang support? Hehehehehe.. Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.05 06:45:00 - [12] I was also looking into this and as I wanted a max sentry drone boat, it's the basic domi. Cheap (a perfect low sec mission runner unless you want something T3). With two omnis you can drop even cruisers from 10km without too much problems. Use the right drones and you can instapop frigates from the max target range to 45km i think. In most cases I drop the frigates before they even get to range. The problem lies with crappy sensors. It takes ages to lock onto anything and the targetting range... All and all, I would buy a regular domi and pimp it. Or just buy a completely different ships and pimp that of with some other weapon system. That's pretty much that I'm doing anyways. You can't really get a iwin-ship from a domi with just adding faction/officer stuff it's just better to be left as a very good T2 fitting ship. If you want pimping...go for other weapon systems. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Seraph Castillon Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.05 09:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Cambarus The navy dominix is literally the best gallente mission running ship out there, and if you run a fair number of kin/therm missions it will outperform not only the nightmare, but the CNR and golem as well. Got a fit to actually back that up? So far, with shield tanked fits, I'm getting equal or less performance than the vanilla Dominix.
Zophos Akratos Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Zophos Akratos on 05/10/2010 14:51:50 Edit: I wouldn't know
Captain Vidal Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:54:00 - [15] Well, thanks for all the input guys^^. I'm still not really which one to pick though. But I guess both have there advantages over each other. _________________________________________ ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Footoo Rama Gallente Beyond Control.	Posted - 2010.10.05 16:08:00 - [16] Honestly unless you have more cash then you know what to do with, If your going to drop that much cash your better off getting a Mach, Nightmare, or vindi. Post your proposed fit and lets see if we can find something better. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
SlayerOfArgus Gallente Schrodinger's Renegades	Posted - 2010.10.05 21:41:00 - [17] I definitely prefer the Navy Dominix over the regular Dominix. I use it for PvE and run with an alt that reps me completely and has the ability to use all t2 drones. He flies in a dominix with four large armor reppers that are cap stable. The extra armor that I get in the Navy Domi is nice because in missions where there is a lot of different groups and I have to grab the aggro the armor buffer can help. If you go solo then just fly a regular Domi with t2 sentries and sentry rigs and tank it like mad. But if you bring in an alt then maybe go with a Navy Domi. I don't have many faction mods on my Navy Domi but the few that I DO have help a lot. I'll upload the fitting later as I don't remember it as of right now.
Cataca	Posted - 2010.10.05 22:28:00 - [18] Originally by: SlayerOfArgus I definitely prefer the Navy Dominix over the regular Dominix. I use it for PvE and run with an alt that reps me completely and has the ability to use all t2 drones. He flies in a dominix with four large armor reppers that are cap stable. The extra armor that I get in the Navy Domi is nice because in missions where there is a lot of different groups and I have to grab the aggro the armor buffer can help. If you go solo then just fly a regular Domi with t2 sentries and sentry rigs and tank it like mad. But if you bring in an alt then maybe go with a Navy Domi. I don't have many faction mods on my Navy Domi but the few that I DO have help a lot. I'll upload the fitting later as I don't remember it as of right now. please say those are 4 large REMOTE armor reppers....
SlayerOfArgus Gallente Schrodinger's Renegades	Posted - 2010.10.06 04:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Cataca Originally by: SlayerOfArgus I definitely prefer the Navy Dominix over the regular Dominix. I use it for PvE and run with an alt that reps me completely and has the ability to use all t2 drones. He flies in a dominix with four large armor reppers that are cap stable. The extra armor that I get in the Navy Domi is nice because in missions where there is a lot of different groups and I have to grab the aggro the armor buffer can help. If you go solo then just fly a regular Domi with t2 sentries and sentry rigs and tank it like mad. But if you bring in an alt then maybe go with a Navy Domi. I don't have many faction mods on my Navy Domi but the few that I DO have help a lot. I'll upload the fitting later as I don't remember it as of right now. please say those are 4 large REMOTE armor reppers.... Opps. Yeah haha. Here is my alt's fit [Dominix, ---] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot] Vespa II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warden II x5 Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Change out the drones per mission [Dominix Navy Issue, ---] Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Drone Scope Chip I Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet II x5 Again, change out drones/hardeners per mission.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Cambarus on 06/10/2010 05:22:51 Originally by: Seraph Castillon Originally by: Cambarus The navy dominix is literally the best gallente mission running ship out there, and if you run a fair number of kin/therm missions it will outperform not only the nightmare, but the CNR and golem as well. Got a fit to actually back that up? So far, with shield tanked fits, I'm getting equal or less performance than the vanilla Dominix. Don't have the exact fit on hand, but it's something to the effect of: 3 ACRs 4 mag field stabs (I use 2 faction 2 t2, tbh the fit was made mostly from things I had lying around) 2 TEs Damage control 3-5 slot shield tank with 0-2 omni tracking links (depending on missions/how much attention I feel like paying) 6 425 IIs Drones to taste Main advantage it has over the regular domi (for me anyway) is that I can fit a large cap booster to the navy version. People sometimes scoff at them but for the 10 seconds I spend refilling my ship after every third mission (Most of the time you don't even need to turn the shield booster on, but this applies to most any 1k+ dps mission ship) I can get a great shield tank that runs as long as I have boosters, rather than spending the absurd amount of isk needed to make a 2-3 slot shield tank hold its own on an unbonussed ship doing lvl 4s. I wouldn't use sentry rigs tbh, if you micro-manage I find heavies work just fine (and with a pair of omnis will track even frigs with ease), and if I don't feel like micro-managing my drones, the ogres are better at that as well, since they wont spend an hour trying to kill a frig orbiting me at 2k. It's also worth noting that in order to get a sentry rig on there you'd have to start using fitting mods in the lows, which negates any dps gain you'd be getting. EDIT: Just want to point out that the fit I use also has crystals, AWU 5, perfect/near perfect skills for most of the other stuff etc. The shield 425mm domi is not an easy ship to train for, but it is arguably the best kin/therm damage dealer out there (I've also flown a mach, cnr, golem, vargur and nightmare, the only bs 5 I lack is amarr, so I do actually have a bit of experience flying the competition). It's also quite a bit cheaper than the other high-end mission boats.
Miriiah	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:20:00 - [21] If you throw some isk on the navy Domi it way outpreforms the normal domi, people who say otherwise just tunnelvision the 2 sentry dmg rigs and well, don't bother listening to them because they're clueless
Captain Vidal Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.06 08:04:00 - [22] Well, I basically want to use it to support my main. (Who will be flying a Abbadon/Navy Apoc and later on a paladin or nightmare) So because of the resist bonusus on the abbadon I think of RR'ing it with the Domi/Navy domi, and assisting it with it's heavy's or sentry's. (I'm not sure which will be best in that case) I made some fit where I can fit 6 RR's on a Domi/Navy domi and still assist with some 500dps from drones. That way I'll be able to just follow my main and assist it with drones while fully focusing on my main without the need to go alt-tab and do stuff with the Domi alt. Perhaps this is way overkill, so I'm also considering to run two missions at a time at both characters simultaniously. _________________________________________ ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Zophos Akratos Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Captain Vidal Well, I basically want to use it to support my main. (Who will be flying a Abbadon/Navy Apoc and later on a paladin or nightmare) So because of the resist bonusus on the abbadon I think of RR'ing it with the Domi/Navy domi, and assisting it with it's heavy's or sentry's. (I'm not sure which will be best in that case) I made some fit where I can fit 6 RR's on a Domi/Navy domi and still assist with some 500dps from drones. That way I'll be able to just follow my main and assist it with drones while fully focusing on my main without the need to go alt-tab and do stuff with the Domi alt. Perhaps this is way overkill, so I'm also considering to run two missions at a time at both characters simultaniously. I think you don't need RR's if that domi agro's everything, people afk tank missions with it so you can just fit that apoc or abbadon for full DPS I think. And just assist or guard the abbadon with heavy's from your navy domi.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:22:00 - [24] Edited by: Baneken on 07/10/2010 16:24:04 Originally by: SlayerOfArgus fittings With that motherload of tracking links you should really get an oneiros instead, it permaruns 4 large reppers and has huge bonuses for tracking links and armor repair. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Baneken Edited by: Baneken on 07/10/2010 16:24:04 Originally by: SlayerOfArgus fittings With that motherload of tracking links you should really get an oneiros instead, it permaruns 4 large reppers and has huge bonuses for tracking links and armor repair. Omnidirectional tracking links are tracking comps for drones, not much use for an oneiros there :P BTW, if you're going to use a domi without guns (be it RR, pure drones or whatever else) go with the standard domi. The extra mid/fittings don't make much of a difference if all you're doing is RRing. That being said, I would not recommend fitting a rr domi with no local tank. It will be much easier if you set it up to run a 2 repper 2 hardener tank OR 2 large RRs, that way regardless of who ends up with aggro you're not screwed.
Kazu'ul Missions Mining and Mayhem	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Kazu''ul on 17/10/2010 00:25:40 Originally by: Serend rigs: 2 x sentry damage 1 x CCC I lul'd. How exactly did you manage to do that? /troll
Serend Gallente Rook Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.18 19:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Kazu'ul Edited by: Kazu''ul on 17/10/2010 00:25:40 Originally by: Serend rigs: 2 x sentry damage 1 x CCC I lul'd. How exactly did you manage to do that? ***** I lol'ed too...you're right, the 2 x sentry damage rigs eat up all the calibration. (so much for doing this when I'm supposed to be working for the man! ) Serend /troll
Anna Grahm Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:09:00 - [28] If you're running missions why bother with guns at all? Just use drones. Fit something to maximise your resists and to be cap stable with an armour rep. Let the ogre 2 drones fly and just sit still and go watch TV. If you want to speed it up Gallente isn't the race you are looking for, look to Caldari for missiles. I am NOT an alt!

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