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Hurtado Soneka Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2010.10.05 02:48:00 - [1] Dunno if this should be in recruitment but anyway I was wondering who the best amarr/caldari corps are with strong EU member base. Time to get back into facwar :D
Quendishir Caldari The Immortal Dawn	Posted - 2010.10.05 04:02:00 - [2] ib4 hidden snake beating his chest and being bad
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.10.05 07:33:00 - [3] I would say my long term experience, I am not considering only killboard stats, but also internal knowledge of the corps. caldari: Draketrain Inglorious-basterds + 4 horsemen + Spacetime enterprise + The Rappalas + Pillow fighters other CDI corps (sum of CDI corps is No.1 in caldari, IBS is competing with Draketrain/pervs for the trone killwise. However Draketrain is more organised - IBS is more like Mongolian horde). THE EMPERIUM MATRIX 002 Failed Diplomacy gallente: Shadows of the fed Quantum cats "There is no honor in war"
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Hidden Snake I would say my long term experience, I am not considering only killboard stats, but also internal knowledge of the corps. caldari: Draketrain Inglorious-basterds + 4 horsemen + Spacetime enterprise + The Rappalas + Pillow fighters other CDI corps (sum of CDI corps is No.1 in caldari, IBS is competing with Draketrain/pervs for the trone killwise. However Draketrain is more organised - IBS is more like Mongolian horde). THE EMPERIUM MATRIX 002 Failed Diplomacy gallente: Shadows of the fed Quantum cats ^^ This
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.05 21:18:00 - [5] For the Caldari (from a Gallente's perspective) draketrain - if you like exploits and noob gankage, and the occasional very well organized low-sec roam. Follow instructions and you'll never lose a ~~ship~~ drake. (but where's the fun in that?) IBS - if you like fitting cloaks and warp stabs to your ship and just generally being very bad. Other CDI corps - if you're just looking for general pewpew and want to be in touch with the bulk of militia, but don't put cloaks and stabs on all your ships. Failed Diplomacy - if you play this game for fun, like leeroy'ing cap ships into enemy blobs knowing they'll die and just generally being cool peoples. War Team - if you're hardxcore, like fighting outnumbered, like good fights, and know how to bring it.
Igloo Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.05 21:22:00 - [6] I don't know their major time zone, but IMO Failed Diplomacy seems to be the best of the caldari FW corps. Competent with very little smack talk.
Guthris Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.05 22:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Guthris on 05/10/2010 22:01:36 Originally by: Igloo I don't know their major time zone, but IMO Failed Diplomacy seems to be the best of the caldari FW corps. Competent with very little smack talk. UMAD?
LEMMING LEMMINGS	Posted - 2010.10.05 22:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Guthris Edited by: Guthris on 05/10/2010 22:01:36 Originally by: Igloo I don't know their major time zone, but IMO Failed Diplomacy seems to be the best of the caldari FW corps. Competent with very little smack talk. UMAD? I see what you did there.
Norlana	Posted - 2010.10.06 00:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Aerilis For the Caldari (from a Gallente's perspective) draketrain - if you like exploits and noob gankage, and the occasional very well organized low-sec roam. Follow instructions and you'll never lose a ~~ship~~ drake. (but where's the fun in that?) IBS - if you like fitting cloaks and warp stabs to your ship and just generally being very bad. Other CDI corps - if you're just looking for general pewpew and want to be in touch with the bulk of militia, but don't put cloaks and stabs on all your ships. Failed Diplomacy - if you play this game for fun, like leeroy'ing cap ships into enemy blobs knowing they'll die and just generally being cool peoples. War Team - if you're hardxcore, like fighting outnumbered, like good fights, and know how to bring it. LOL. AT >IMPLYING DRAKETRAIN HAS EVER USED EXPLOITS OF ANY KIND Could you please elaborate on your proposterous statement? To my knowledge, Draketrain has never used, and will never use any kind of exploits defined in EULA. If you have any proof to back up your worthless gallente foulmouthing and slander, I dare you to present it. If not, please make an attempt not to seem like a complete idiot. It is not our fault as a corporation that you are UNABLE UNDERSTAND THE GAME MECHANICS well enough to be able to gain the advantage in certain specific situations Also for the part where you tell a riveting tale about Draketrain only ganking noobs and occasionally roaming on lowsec, I urge you to revise the facts from our killboard. I'll even provide you the link, since I'm a jolly good chap. http://draketrain.eve-kill.net/?a=home You sir, are mad.
Bhramin	Posted - 2010.10.06 00:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Hidden Snake I would say my long term experience, I am not considering only killboard stats, but also internal knowledge of the corps. caldari: Draketrain Inglorious-basterds + 4 horsemen + Spacetime enterprise + The Rappalas + Pillow fighters other CDI corps (sum of CDI corps is No.1 in caldari, IBS is competing with Draketrain/pervs for the trone killwise. However Draketrain is more organised - IBS is more like Mongolian horde). THE EMPERIUM MATRIX 002 Failed Diplomacy gallente: Shadows of the fed Quantum cats From another gallente perspective, this ^^^^^, although i cant decide whos smack is better, probably the Darmar + Hidden Snake combo, Draketrain have good smack too but its more random and less well deployed. Failed Diplomacy are v.good pvpers too but their lack of abusive smack makes them harder to hate :).

Admiral Hawke Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:05:00 - [11] What is this thread? Posting in a amarr/caldari circle jerk thread...Oh wait, it's mentioning us in it, let the posting continue.
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Norlana Originally by: Aerilis For the Caldari (from a Gallente's perspective) draketrain - if you like exploits and noob gankage, and the occasional very well organized low-sec roam. Follow instructions and you'll never lose a ~~ship~~ drake. (but where's the fun in that?) IBS - if you like fitting cloaks and warp stabs to your ship and just generally being very bad. Other CDI corps - if you're just looking for general pewpew and want to be in touch with the bulk of militia, but don't put cloaks and stabs on all your ships. Failed Diplomacy - if you play this game for fun, like leeroy'ing cap ships into enemy blobs knowing they'll die and just generally being cool peoples. War Team - if you're hardxcore, like fighting outnumbered, like good fights, and know how to bring it. LOL. AT >IMPLYING DRAKETRAIN HAS EVER USED EXPLOITS OF ANY KIND Could you please elaborate on your proposterous statement? To my knowledge, Draketrain has never used, and will never use any kind of exploits defined in EULA. If you have any proof to back up your worthless gallente foulmouthing and slander, I dare you to present it. If not, please make an attempt not to seem like a complete idiot. It is not our fault as a corporation that you are UNABLE UNDERSTAND THE GAME MECHANICS well enough to be able to gain the advantage in certain specific situations Also for the part where you tell a riveting tale about Draketrain only ganking noobs and occasionally roaming on lowsec, I urge you to revise the facts from our killboard. I'll even provide you the link, since I'm a jolly good chap. http://draketrain.eve-kill.net/?a=home You sir, are mad. Keep telling yourself that you're not exploiting because CCP says everything is "working as intended". You base in our friggin hi-sec, how can you possibly think you're playing the game as it was originally intended?
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.10.06 04:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Aerilis You base in our friggin hi-sec, how can you possibly think you're playing the game as it was originally intended? I quess you have never checked which NPC organisation actually owns the station in Nisuwa... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.06 07:51:00 - [14] I'm glad Draketrain is in Villore, maybe the ship spinners will grow a pair and move to Heydieles. It's Darwinism at work, adapt or die. But it is a shame that a reputable group like the pervs have been lowered to killing bottom of the barrel FDU pilots 99% of the time. ~
Quendishir Caldari The Immortal Dawn	Posted - 2010.10.06 07:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Norlana Originally by: Aerilis For the Caldari (from a Gallente's perspective) draketrain - if you like exploits and noob gankage, and the occasional very well organized low-sec roam. Follow instructions and you'll never lose a ~~ship~~ drake. (but where's the fun in that?) IBS - if you like fitting cloaks and warp stabs to your ship and just generally being very bad. Other CDI corps - if you're just looking for general pewpew and want to be in touch with the bulk of militia, but don't put cloaks and stabs on all your ships. Failed Diplomacy - if you play this game for fun, like leeroy'ing cap ships into enemy blobs knowing they'll die and just generally being cool peoples. War Team - if you're hardxcore, like fighting outnumbered, like good fights, and know how to bring it. LOL. AT >IMPLYING DRAKETRAIN HAS EVER USED EXPLOITS OF ANY KIND Could you please elaborate on your proposterous statement? To my knowledge, Draketrain has never used, and will never use any kind of exploits defined in EULA. If you have any proof to back up your worthless gallente foulmouthing and slander, I dare you to present it. If not, please make an attempt not to seem like a complete idiot. It is not our fault as a corporation that you are UNABLE UNDERSTAND THE GAME MECHANICS well enough to be able to gain the advantage in certain specific situations Also for the part where you tell a riveting tale about Draketrain only ganking noobs and occasionally roaming on lowsec, I urge you to revise the facts from our killboard. I'll even provide you the link, since I'm a jolly good chap. http://draketrain.eve-kill.net/?a=home You sir, are mad. Technically, and assuming what he said isn't true, it's libel. "Slander" is spoken. /slinks back into the shadows
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2010.10.06 10:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Bluejacket CT I'm glad Draketrain is in Villore, maybe the ship spinners will grow a pair and move to Heydieles. It's Darwinism at work, adapt or die. But it is a shame that a reputable group like the pervs have been lowered to killing bottom of the barrel FDU pilots 99% of the time. Maybe those are only who undock without RR bs fleet and carrier support?
Admiral Hawke Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.06 17:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Bluejacket CT I'm glad Draketrain is in Villore, maybe the ship spinners will grow a pair and move to Heydieles. It's Darwinism at work, adapt or die. But it is a shame that a reputable group like the pervs have been lowered to killing bottom of the barrel FDU pilots 99% of the time. Maybe those are only who undock without RR bs fleet and carrier support? Confirming that I too would like to be blobbed.
Princess Nexxala Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.06 21:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 06/10/2010 21:35:54 Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Bluejacket CT I'm glad Draketrain is in Villore, maybe the ship spinners will grow a pair and move to Heydieles. It's Darwinism at work, adapt or die. But it is a shame that a reputable group like the pervs have been lowered to killing bottom of the barrel FDU pilots 99% of the time. Maybe those are only who undock without RR bs fleet and carrier support? Confirming... we don't bother to undock without RR BS and Cap support....really whats the point?
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.10.07 04:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Bluejacket CT But it is a shame that a reputable group like the pervs have been lowered to killing bottom of the barrel FDU pilots 99% of the time. Ahahaaareputablehahaa...... Since when we have been reputable and not a bunch of exploiting smacktards who cannot pvp their way out of a wet paper bag (quote from your militia chat)? Also, it seems Draep got 16 kills and 5 pods in Heydieles last evening for no losses. When will you declare Heydieles residents "bottom of the barrel n00bs" because they allow themselves to be ganked needlessly? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.10.07 07:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Hidden Snake on 07/10/2010 07:22:29 oh i hoped it will be just statistic talk and frogs will remain in water. SO IT IS FW SMACK TIME! ad IBS/CDI: - cloak on drake - check (yes i passed ur gatecamp in BC and killed struglers ) - set a trap which costs our enemy 200 mil ishtar in 4 mins - check - kinda ok organised fleets which can outrun nisuwa blob - check - stabs on my BS - it is f-cki-n smartbomber u tards so - check - think out of the box (and sometimes my head) - check - have lot of gal rage and tears in local - check - have a nice smack fun sometimes - check - to be on the top of the hill of kills of the frogs for last 8 moths (ok one month was draketrain ;) - check BIngo I have 8 of 8! anyway nice to see gals saying nice words about corps which give them kills and smacking about corps which are able to kill them. SMACK, Nom, SMACK, Nom ..... troll is hungry .... feed him please "There is no honor in war"

Ratchman	Posted - 2010.10.07 08:33:00 - [21] Draketrain essentially stick to ganking the noobs in Villore and docking up when any fleet comes into view of their spy network in the surrounding systems. They occasionally venture out, but only ever fight at range with nano fits. Personally, and without the endless smack, I would find this kind of play tiresome, as the majority of the time, you are sat still, and the times you are active, more time is spent running away then actually fighting. It's a style they have got down well, but it is very tiresome (and easily avoidable). IBS started off their existence well, but they have gradually become the corp that rarely fights for fear of the 'Gallente blob', which always seems to be much bigger than it always is (fleets of 25 often get reported as 50 strong). I think they are perfectly competent fighters, it's just getting them to engage. Many of their pilots have taken to flying around with cloaks and stabs on every type of ship, which gimps them, and makes them even less likely to fight. Ironically, if they fought more, they'd get more kills and fewer losses, but it often ends up with the x number of slowest ships getting taken out for zero kills. Apart from those two, I would agree that Failed Diplomacy and War Team are the ones to join if you fancy a challenge, but there are others out there. I personally can't remember whether you used to FC Caldari fleets, but I hope you did, for they could use a good FC right about now. The Caldari presence in lowsec is practically zero now, and it is nothing to gloat over. We don't want to 'win' this war, because peace is boring. We want fights and battles and lasers flying all over the place. I think this is what Damar and his ilk kind of forget. This isn't about winning a war, for it can never be won. If it could be, then the game would end, and CCP would not get their subscriptions. Eve requires a perpetual state of constant war to keep people playing. It's all about the combat, and it's what we like, and frankly, there's not enough of it going on at the moment. This is also why there's no concerted effort to go after Draketrain. It's very difficult to catch someone who doesn't want to be caught in this game, and it is exactly how they play it. They play to frustrate, not to have fun (I think it's telling that they had one pre-arranged fight with SotF, fought on equal footing, which they lost. Funnily enough, they haven't been back for a second round). It's combat with a condom on. We could permacamp them in the station until they concede Villore and find some other way to grief people (which does seem to be their primary motivation, sadly), but where would the fun be in that? I don't pay money to sit on a single station 24/7. And to the hilariously defensive Draketrain member who posted even before Damar and BM, I think you'll find that an exploit is within the EULA, and within the game mechanics, but it is doing something the game was never intended to do. That's why it is called an exploit, because you are exploiting existing game mechanics to do something that the developers never intended, and not a cheat, which would be violating both game mechanics and EULA. And you can't possibly think that the developers intended to make it possible to tank the militia navy with neutrals. It's just something they've missed, and haven't developed a solution for yet (although I'm quite in favour of militia navies getting sleeper AI. That should make things a little more interesting). Of course, there is a difference between an exploit that you can be banned for, and an exploit that you cannot. Just because you don't get banned for it, it doesn't mean that it is 'working as intended', even if you get an email stating that (for we all know that all bodies of authority tell the truth all the time).
Norlana	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Ratchman This is also why there's no concerted effort to go after Draketrain. It's very difficult to catch someone who doesn't want to be caught in this game, and it is exactly how they play it. They play to frustrate, not to have fun (I think it's telling that they had one pre-arranged fight with SotF, fought on equal footing, which they lost. Funnily enough, they haven't been back for a second round). It's combat with a condom on. We could permacamp them in the station until they concede Villore and find some other way to grief people (which does seem to be their primary motivation, sadly), but where would the fun be in that? I don't pay money to sit on a single station 24/7. Actually we had 2 prearranged fights with sotf. The point was to give our less experienced pilots a bit more combat experience by providing fights with other less experienced pilots. We had our newer players fc and fight for us. We won the first match quite easily, but lost the second one, when they brought all their most veteran players against our few months old noobs. So the score is 1-1. But I understand that you wouldnt know anything about it since you are obviously oblivious about your every failure. To me, it sounds that you are very frustrated and angry because we dont play the game the way you want us to play it. Most of us arent online 23/7 so when you say we rarely leave villore for fleet action, is actually corp fighting fleets ATLEAST every second day. You talk so much BS without any concrete info about anything. Maybe you need to join Draketrain and actually see whats up. And for the exploit part, thats just another steaming pile. If you dont know anything about the game mechanics, it sure is easier to cry out for GMs to help when your competence limits your actions. Create a petition about it and be done with it. Don't just cry and lie. Originally by: Ratchman It's combat with a condom on. We could permacamp them in the station until they concede Villore and find some other way to grief people (which does seem to be their primary motivation, sadly), but where would the fun be in that? I don't pay money to sit on a single station 24/7. Oh so what you are basically saying you could easily force us out of Villore if highness so desired? Like you havent tried atleast 3 times already? Come at us bro. Haters gonna hate
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Norlana Oh so what you are basically saying you could easily force us out of Villore if highness so desired? Like you havent tried atleast 3 times already? Come at us bro. Can't be arsed to reply to the rest of your ****post, but this just made me wtf. Of course there's no way to force you out of Villore if you just dock up whenever any force that can actually give you a run for your money comes within 3 jumps of you.
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:28:00 - [24] walls of texts of gallente tears ... snake is happy. "There is no honor in war"
Ratchman	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 07/10/2010 07:22:29 oh i hoped it will be just statistic talk and frogs will remain in water. SO IT IS FW SMACK TIME! ad IBS/CDI: - cloak on drake - check (yes i passed ur gatecamp in BC and killed struglers ) - set a trap which costs our enemy 200 mil ishtar in 4 mins - check - kinda ok organised fleets which can outrun nisuwa blob - check - stabs on my BS - it is f-cki-n smartbomber u tards so - check - think out of the box (and sometimes my head) - check - have lot of gal rage and tears in local - check - have a nice smack fun sometimes - check - to be on the top of the hill of kills of the frogs for last 8 moths (ok one month was draketrain ;) - check BIngo I have 8 of 8! anyway nice to see gals saying nice words about corps which give them kills and smacking about corps which are able to kill them. SMACK, Nom, SMACK, Nom ..... troll is hungry .... feed him please Heh. Nothing like a selective point of view. So you define 'organised' as constantly running, ganking solo players with your cloak fits as a 'major victory' and 'smack' as swearing at people and calling them ****s in typical teenage text fashion, and with all the grace and class of the lowest common denominator. It's a shame really. I'd rather have worthy adversaries deserving of a modi**of respect, rather than a group of immature spitemongers undeserving of even good manners, and who see throwing sticks at the sun as reaching for the stars. We don't praise the other corps for rolling over for us. In fact, you do them a disservice, and that cannot help your own militia morale. No wonder you cannot field fleets these days. Who wants to fight for someone who denigrates you in public? In truth, we give them credit for fighting. They still run when overwhelmed, as do we, but they are more willing to fight when things are more or less equal.
Norlana	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Norlana on 07/10/2010 09:35:00 Originally by: Aerilis Can't be arsed to reply to the rest of your ****post, but this just made me wtf. Of course there's no way to force you out of Villore if you just dock up whenever any force that can actually give you a run for your money comes within 3 jumps of you. So basically what you are saying is that you are mad because we dont allow you to gank us to the undock? Is that right? He just said that you could force us out of Villore or any other given system but I cant see how you could even muster up a fleet great enough for it if we had more than a fraction of our players online.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Ratchman I think this is what Damar and his ilk kind of forget. This isn't about winning a war, for it can never be won. If it could be, then the game would end, and CCP would not get their subscriptions. Eve requires a perpetual state of constant war to keep people playing. It's all about the combat, and it's what we like, and frankly, there's not enough of it going on at the moment. We did something that was thought to be impossible, we took all systems and 'Won' plexing war. CPP had to develope some thing to give gredits for it and they did, they gave us medal for that and they wrote some storyline and make new storyline mission for gallente, i wonder if no one has ever done that missions? It seems to be quite hard mission to do, and i think it was kind of punishment for gallente. Originally by: Ratchman This is also why there's no concerted effort to go after Draketrain. It's very difficult to catch someone who doesn't want to be caught in this game, and it is exactly how they play it. Maybe you should try something new, solve problems, evolve tactics and so on. Originally by: Ratchman They play to frustrate, not to have fun (I think it's telling that they had one pre-arranged fight with SotF, fought on equal footing, which they lost. Funnily enough, they haven't been back for a second round) There is reason why you do not success in this game, it is that you believe something that is not right. There was two round of those arranged figths, your corp lost 1st one and we did lose second one. Get you facts right and then make plans. Originally by: Ratchman And to the hilariously defensive Draketrain member who posted even before Damar and BM, I think you'll find that an exploit is within the EULA, and within the game mechanics, but it is doing something the game was never intended to do. That's why it is called an exploit, because you are exploiting existing game mechanics to do something that the developers never intended, and not a cheat, which would be violating both game mechanics and EULA. And you can't possibly think that the developers intended to make it possible to tank the militia navy with neutrals. It's just something they've missed, and haven't developed a solution for yet (although I'm quite in favour of militia navies getting sleeper AI. That should make things a little more interesting). Of course, there is a difference between an exploit that you can be banned for, and an exploit that you cannot. Just because you don't get banned for it, it doesn't mean that it is 'working as intended', even if you get an email stating that (for we all know that all bodies of authority tell the truth all the time). Just point out any post where CCP/dev/gm says that it is not intended that you can make hostile actions in enemy highsec. It is ment to be possible. There is navy making it much more complicated than normal. Raid or camps in enemy highsec has been all the time from the beginning of the faction warfare, every militia has done those. There has been lot of ways to tank navies, some of those has been considered as an exploit some not. If CCP says it is not allowed to tank navies or gank in enemy highsec it will stop, until then we do try to find out ways to make your life in highsec miserably as it should be in war. This game is about solving problems. Gallente has two problems, according to their forum posts: 1. Caldari Navy in faction warfare comples is too powerfull and they cannot kill it, Gallente cries ccp to nerf those. 2. Gallente Navy in highsec does not protec them against caldari players, Gallente cries ccp to boost those. I say, your problem is not the npc at all, it is gallente players who do not want to get killed by draketrain. Only successfull tactic gallente ever has been is DO NOT CARE tactic.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Ratchman Just because you don't get banned for it, it doesn't mean that it is 'working as intended' Nennamaila 2009-08-10. We will never forget or forgive. After that Gallente militia sort of voided the option to complain about game mechanics. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:17:00 - [29] I was going to correct Ratchman, but you beat me too it - yes there were 2 fights, the first one we got spanked, the second one Draketrain got spanked, was good fun and would do it again. The comment about using our Veteran players made me laugh, we used whoever we had online as i tried to get a time that would suit you guys as i knew i'd more than likely have enough numbers most times tbh - We ended up just scraping enough with who we had online. Anyoo, back on topic - Caldari Corps - Draketrain imho are the "best" in terms of pvp ability and organisation now - they use tactics that are always difficult to counter unless you are set up specifically to engage them, which to me deserves credit. IBS / CDI corps - Dont know if your struggeling to get the numbers at the moment but dont seem to see you guys around as much as before (i'm not gonna make the obvious cloak joke ) but that aside, a good setup corp and when they want to put out some good fleets. Failed Diplomacy - Good fun and always try and bring fights, outnumbered or not - Think they have the same mentality as us (SoTF) just want to have fights. Sovetsky - Always seem to want to fight everytime we visit there home system - Fly nice ships and no smack.
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:18:00 - [30] Edited by: Hidden Snake on 07/10/2010 10:25:02 Originally by: Ratchman Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 07/10/2010 07:22:29 oh i hoped it will be just statistic talk and frogs will remain in water. SO IT IS FW SMACK TIME! ad IBS/CDI: - cloak on drake - check (yes i passed ur gatecamp in BC and killed struglers ) - set a trap which costs our enemy 200 mil ishtar in 4 mins - check - kinda ok organised fleets which can outrun nisuwa blob - check - stabs on my BS - it is f-cki-n smartbomber u tards so - check - think out of the box (and sometimes my head) - check - have lot of gal rage and tears in local - check - have a nice smack fun sometimes - check - to be on the top of the hill of kills of the frogs for last 8 moths (ok one month was draketrain ;) - check BIngo I have 8 of 8! anyway nice to see gals saying nice words about corps which give them kills and smacking about corps which are able to kill them. SMACK, Nom, SMACK, Nom ..... troll is hungry .... feed him please Heh. Nothing like a selective point of view. So you define 'organised' as constantly running, ganking solo players with your cloak fits as a 'major victory' and 'smack' as swearing at people and calling them ****s in typical teenage text fashion, and with all the grace and class of the lowest common denominator. It's a shame really. I'd rather have worthy adversaries deserving of a modiof respect, rather than a group of immature spitemongers undeserving of even good manners, and who see throwing sticks at the sun as reaching for the stars. We don't praise the other corps for rolling over for us. In fact, you do them a disservice, and that cannot help your own militia morale. No wonder you cannot field fleets these days. Who wants to fight for someone who denigrates you in public? In truth, we give them credit for fighting. They still run when overwhelmed, as do we, but they are more willing to fight when things are more or less equal. ROFL ... are u really so mad about it? I am starting to think that u are probably taking it really serious (OMFG). Moar tears please. And I guess u will really hate me during next month. to the rest of more sane ... fly and kill as u like, but dont be such morons Originally by:** Gallactica IBS / CDI corps - Dont know if your struggeling to get the numbers at the moment but dont seem to see you guys around as much as before (i'm not gonna make the obvious cloak joke ) but that aside, a good setup corp and when they want to put out some good fleets. well we did not change the pace too much (but I am RL busy)... but some other plans underway too "There is no honor in war"

Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:27:00 - [31] Oh and @ Snake - Next time we come and camp your station in Hysera with Noob ships - tell your guys to keep the T3 cruisers docked up mate :) 16 Velators / Ibis aint that scary are they?
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Aerilis Originally by: Norlana Oh so what you are basically saying you could easily force us out of Villore if highness so desired? Like you havent tried atleast 3 times already? Come at us bro. Can't be arsed to reply to the rest of your ****post, but this just made me wtf. Of course there's no way to force you out of Villore if you just dock up whenever any force that can actually give you a run for your money comes within 3 jumps of you. You can not force us out of villore? We sure forced gallente militia out of villore. Maybe we have some magic that you do not have?
Norlana	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Gallactica Oh and @ Snake - Next time we come and camp your station in Hysera with Noob ships - tell your guys to keep the T3 cruisers docked up mate :) 16 Velators / Ibis aint that scary are they? Velators do easily over 150dps, add a few cynabals + ecm to that and u got some serious heat mate.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Norlana Velators do easily over 150dps, add a few cynabals + ecm to that and u got some serious heat mate. From what I heard in intel they had 3-4 hacs there (and I count cynabal as hac). Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Gallactica Draketrain imho are the "best" in terms of pvp ability and organisation now - they use tactics that are always difficult to counter unless you are set up specifically to engage them, which to me deserves credit. Luckily we are recruiting too !
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Norlana Velators do easily over 150dps, add a few cynabals + ecm to that and u got some serious heat mate. From what I heard in intel they had 3-4 hacs there (and I count cynabal as hac). Damar Rocarion Brigadier General You see, this is the problem - Not every f****** Gallente pilot in Black Rise is in the same fleet - Mentl had 2 vagas and a cynable floating round but they were not in our fleet or even on the same comms (as was demonstrated when the IBS shinies undocked and they were not around to help) Next time i run a corp fleet, i'll ask all other friendlies to stay docked up....
Ratchman	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:45:00 - [37] Edited by: Ratchman on 07/10/2010 10:46:50 Originally by: Norlana Lots of defensive indignation I will concede I wasn't aware of a second earlier battle. I was just aware of the second (assuming you are correct). But then, I can concede things, because I'm not as self-righteous as you may think. But even if the score is 1-1, you've hardly rushed to come back for more. It may have been noobs that lost, but it shows your more experienced players lack the desire. As for being frustrated and angry, I will admit to a measure of frustration, but not much. Kind of the same frustration you get when you can't open a pickle jar. And anger? I'm not really an angry person in real life. This may irritate you, but I'm actually quite content with my life, and there's little you can do about that. Taking up a contrary point of view doesn't automatically make me angry, but it does suggest that it is how you feel, because you are making an assumption based on how you view the world. You feel angry at such things, so you assume the other person is angry in the same situation. Sorry to disappoint you. Your choice of words also suggest aggression. "Another steaming pile" is a good example. Such vivid imagery and the allusion to excrement are so much more extreme than just offering a counter argument. "Don't just cry and lie" is another example of emotional and evocative language. I've tried to be a dispassionate and logical as possible, whereas you've chosen to be extreme as possible. It all points to simmering rage. Also, you accuse me of speaking without concrete evidence. Yet you also accuse me of filing petitions constantly. Would you like to reference your supporting material on this issue? No? Guess that makes you a hypocrite as well, then. As for the fleets, I wasn't offering hardcore metrics but my own observations, and I stand by them. I don't see many Draketrain fleets, but that's not the same as saying they don't exist. Even so, it's a rare occasion that you make it any further than Heydelies, two jumps from your comfort zone. It's true that you don't play the same way that we do, and that's fine. You camp the FDU in Villore, and I'll just avoid it. You bring a fleet of ranged nano-drakes, and we'll just warp right through it. You may not wish to participate in stand-up fights, but the door swings both ways. The majority of us play this game to have a fight and have fun, rather than to hit that arbitrary all-important target statistic that proves that we are the best in the world at internet spaceships. Remember, this is a game, and it should be treated as such. Also, I don't speak for the whole of the Gallente militia, nor should you assume that if one Gallente takes a potshot at you, that we are all out to get you. We are not a hive mind, and a 'concerted effort' means sustained pressure. We are not going to 'come at you' for the same reason I mentioned before. You've no wish to fight, and I've no wish to waste my time waiting. Oh, and please try to avoid such internet memes such as 'haters gonna hate'. People use these things when they lack the wit to come up with their own.
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Gallactica Draketrain imho are the "best" in terms of pvp ability and organisation now - they use tactics that are always difficult to counter unless you are set up specifically to engage them, which to me deserves credit. Luckily we are recruiting too ! Where do i apply? :)
Norlana	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:17:00 - [39] Edited by: Norlana on 07/10/2010 11:24:11 Originally by: Ratchman Alot of over analyzation, fact avoidation and passively agressive ramble That doesnt change the fact that you keep posting these annoying lies and accusations. Yes, it has become apparent that you are unable to bring us a fight You make alot of assumptions and state them as facts. I dont seek your approval by posting to these forums, so i dont really care what you say about me as a person. (the freudian BS is amusign tho) Basically you are saying we are just trolling militia warfare by being idle in villore? Considering that I find it quite funny that we have been top killers in militia since we joined. You say you are not angry and frustrated, yet you make an effort (a wall of text) to insult and characterize me extremely negatively. And for the last part, your request has been denied. u mad? edit: It was you who started tossing once again, so it is quite natural that we start on the defensive side dont you agree? I have no will nor intention to start insulting you or gallente in general if you would just keep your mouths shut and stop *****ing.
Ratchman	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:21:00 - [40] Man, you guys like to smack, don't you. I write one missive, and you're all tearing apart my previous one. Guess I must have struck a raw nerve for such venom.

Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:22:00 - [41] Edited by: Hidden Snake on 07/10/2010 11:24:12 Edited by: Hidden Snake on 07/10/2010 11:23:45 Originally by: Gallactica Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Norlana Velators do easily over 150dps, add a few cynabals + ecm to that and u got some serious heat mate. From what I heard in intel they had 3-4 hacs there (and I count cynabal as hac). Damar Rocarion Brigadier General You see, this is the problem - Not every f****** Gallente pilot in Black Rise is in the same fleet - Mentl had 2 vagas and a cynable floating round but they were not in our fleet or even on the same comms (as was demonstrated when the IBS shinies undocked and they were not around to help) Next time i run a corp fleet, i'll ask all other friendlies to stay docked up.... facepalm ... and what? u come in velators and I should undock ibis? "There is no honor in war"
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Bad Messenger We sure forced gallente militia out of villore. Now now, you know the real gallente militia doesn't live in villore. ~
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Bluejacket CT Originally by: Bad Messenger We sure forced gallente militia out of villore. Now now, you know the real gallente militia doesn't live in villore. True, they moved a long time ago away from villore because they just got killed in there and when they tried to go trough Old Man Star. Gallente has evolved, they do not jump to tama every day like caldari does, they have gone to lowsec. They are in couple systems where they can be supported by station hugging carriers and all. Docking games on best !
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:32:00 - [44] Your unedited reply calling Gavin a puppet was better Snake And come on, undocking 2 T3's, cruisers and frig is a little overkill aint it?
BacardiDesire The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:41:00 - [45] this thread is going places --- Crazy dutch mofo
Armas Lankku	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:56:00 - [46] Originally by: BacardiDesire this thread is going places not before i post in it
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Aerilis Originally by: Norlana Oh so what you are basically saying you could easily force us out of Villore if highness so desired? Like you havent tried atleast 3 times already? Come at us bro. Can't be arsed to reply to the rest of your ****post, but this just made me wtf. Of course there's no way to force you out of Villore if you just dock up whenever any force that can actually give you a run for your money comes within 3 jumps of you. You can not force us out of villore? We sure forced gallente militia out of villore. Maybe we have some magic that you do not have? The magic of somehow not getting bored of sitting on the undock for hours on end, yes.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Aerilis Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Aerilis Originally by: Norlana Oh so what you are basically saying you could easily force us out of Villore if highness so desired? Like you havent tried atleast 3 times already? Come at us bro. Can't be arsed to reply to the rest of your ****post, but this just made me wtf. Of course there's no way to force you out of Villore if you just dock up whenever any force that can actually give you a run for your money comes within 3 jumps of you. You can not force us out of villore? We sure forced gallente militia out of villore. Maybe we have some magic that you do not have? The magic of somehow not getting bored of sitting on the undock for hours on end, yes. Exactly my son, you do what you have to do if you want to achieve something. If boring things prevents you to get something stop whining about them then :)
Eelis Kiy Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:23:00 - [49] Edited by: Eelis Kiy on 07/10/2010 16:25:44 Best Caldari corp is Euphoria Released Originally by: Gallactica Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Norlana Velators do easily over 150dps, add a few cynabals + ecm to that and u got some serious heat mate. From what I heard in intel they had 3-4 hacs there (and I count cynabal as hac). Damar Rocarion Brigadier General You see, this is the problem - Not every f****** Gallente pilot in Black Rise is in the same fleet - Mentl had 2 vagas and a cynable floating round but they were not in our fleet or even on the same comms (as was demonstrated when the IBS shinies undocked and they were not around to help) Next time i run a corp fleet, i'll ask all other friendlies to stay docked up.... Mentl aint even in Gall militia atm. ----------------------------- >>where the frack is my ship?<<
Admiral Hawke Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:51:00 - [50] Could we go back to talking about amarr and caldari corps again, this heavy breathing on the back of each other's necks is getting a bit old again...

FuzzBuzz Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.07 18:11:00 - [51] Originally by: LEMMING LEMMINGS Originally by: Guthris Edited by: Guthris on 05/10/2010 22:01:36 Originally by: Igloo I don't know their major time zone, but IMO Failed Diplomacy seems to be the best of the caldari FW corps. Competent with very little smack talk. UMAD? I see what you did there. THIS!!!!! ----- In this game, what becomes popular becomes overpowered, what becomes overpowered gets nerfed. NEXT! endless cycle.
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.10.08 06:57:00 - [52] Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/10/2010 06:59:13 Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/10/2010 06:58:38 Originally by: Gallactica Your unedited reply calling Gavin a puppet was better Snake And come on, undocking 2 T3's, cruisers and frig is a little overkill aint it? true, but i decided to be less rude ... u Gavins puppeteer (honestly u and Admiral manipulated him facepalmy way) I train my guys to undock Domis and rapiers. Have to speak with them that they undock such a small amount of ships. Next time they should pull out carriers to get rid of you fast. ad direction of the post ... well as usual FW posts (or CAOD) "There is no honor in war"
Quendishir Caldari The Immortal Dawn	Posted - 2010.10.08 07:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/10/2010 06:59:13 Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/10/2010 06:58:38 Originally by: Gallactica Your unedited reply calling Gavin a puppet was better Snake And come on, undocking 2 T3's, cruisers and frig is a little overkill aint it? true, but i decided to be less rude ... u Gavins puppeteer (honestly u and Admiral manipulated him facepalmy way) I train my guys to undock Domis and rapiers. Have to speak with them that they undock such a small amount of ships. Next time they should pull out carriers to get rid of you fast. ad direction of the post ... well as usual FW posts (or CAOD) I still can't tell if Snake is supposed to be a guy or a chick. I'm gonna' go with chick, though, because only a chick could give me a headache this bad.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.08 08:04:00 - [54] Back to the original intended topic: Best Caldari FW Corps: Flying Furniture Emporium Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse Failed Diplomacy And of course War Team for being such crafty bastards. ~
Lord Meriak Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.10.08 08:52:00 - [55] Amarr few good corps. http://www.amarrian-retribution.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=8&Itemid=201 But this all speaks for it self
Quendishir Caldari The Immortal Dawn	Posted - 2010.10.09 00:43:00 - [56] Originally by: Hidden Snake Inglorious-basterds I'm honestly impressed that you can claim you're anywhere close to "top" anything in faction warfare. Seriously, you claim we're running from you, then when we show up five minutes later (BCs to your BS/logi fleet), you refuse to undock, and your gang docks the hell up. Good job, you're so fail it's not even funny. Biomass yourself IRL.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.10.11 20:24:00 - [57] Originally by: Quendishir Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/10/2010 06:59:13 Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/10/2010 06:58:38 Originally by: Gallactica Your unedited reply calling Gavin a puppet was better Snake And come on, undocking 2 T3's, cruisers and frig is a little overkill aint it? true, but i decided to be less rude ... u Gavins puppeteer (honestly u and Admiral manipulated him facepalmy way) I train my guys to undock Domis and rapiers. Have to speak with them that they undock such a small amount of ships. Next time they should pull out carriers to get rid of you fast. ad direction of the post ... well as usual FW posts (or CAOD) I still can't tell if Snake is supposed to be a guy or a chick. I'm gonna' go with chick, though, because only a chick could give me a headache this bad. ^THIS.......
Ame Sonoda Caldari Requiem of the Sinner	Posted - 2010.10.12 08:15:00 - [58] Nibbletek are good IBS are **** E-R are sex Draketrain are recruiting
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.10.12 10:48:00 - [59] Edited by: Ramingo on 12/10/2010 10:51:20 What's a corp gotta do to get a little recognition ^^? Seriously, wtf lol As of the 1st of October: 167 Ships killed (12.36B ISK) 16 Ships lost (0.96B ISK) 92.79% Efficiency (ISK) http://1pod.eve-kill.net/ 4th ranked in Amarr this month for kills. Significantly ahead of others in terms of losses. Number of players involved in kills usually anywhere from 1 to 10 with the average being close to 6 or so. This being with 12 active members, after just having reformed from our merger with Core Impulse which took us from 60 members to our current 12. We used to have the second largest cap fleet in FW behind core impulse (including supercaps). Since then we've reformed and we solo, we do small gangs, we combine with friends for larger gangs every now and again too and generally go out looking for a fight. Seems to me like in order to be on this list and recognised by the opposition you need to show PvP skill yet also lose enough ships to keep the enemy interested in fighting you. Either way, it's epeen which is fun because rep makes FW so much more fun, but after having followed this thread I just can't help but scratch my head and wonder.
BacardiDesire The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.10.12 11:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Ramingo Edited by: Ramingo on 12/10/2010 10:51:20 What's a corp gotta do to get a little recognition ^^? Seriously, wtf lol As of the 1st of October: 167 Ships killed (12.36B ISK) 16 Ships lost (0.96B ISK) 92.79% Efficiency (ISK) http://1pod.eve-kill.net/ 4th ranked in Amarr this month for kills. Significantly ahead of others in terms of losses. Number of players involved in kills usually anywhere from 1 to 10 with the average being close to 6 or so. This being with 12 active members, after just having reformed from our merger with Core Impulse which took us from 60 members to our current 12. We used to have the second largest cap fleet in FW behind core impulse (including supercaps). Since then we've reformed and we solo, we do small gangs, we combine with friends for larger gangs every now and again too and generally go out looking for a fight. Seems to me like in order to be on this list and recognised by the opposition you need to show PvP skill yet also lose enough ships to keep the enemy interested in fighting you. Either way, it's epeen which is fun because rep makes FW so much more fun, but after having followed this thread I just can't help but scratch my head and wonder. really really recommending these guys, their awesome players who i know all the way back from the first months of caldari FW, join these guys if your up for classy pvp with a bunch of good guys :) signed by someone who wants 1pod babies --- Crazy dutch mofo



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