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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:00:00 -
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CCP Zulu's new dev blog details our future ShaderModel support. Read all about it here.
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:05:00 -
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Sounds expected and normal to me.
meanwhile, I'll wait for the naysayers and doom merchants.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:12:00 -
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Looking forward to the stuffs.
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Golden Gnu
Gallente The Golden Gnu Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:23:00 -
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How many people will be affected by this...? _________________ Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life EVE.NiKR.NET - home of jEveAssets |
Evelgrivion
Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Gnu How many people will be affected by this...?
Probably not very many. Moving up to a minimum of Shader Model 2 more or less forced everyone on older GPUs to buy Shader Model 3 cards already.
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CCP Zulu
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:51:00 -
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Our best metric is the Steam hardware report and general trending in hardware sales etc. Applying some common sense and logic and a few assumptions we deduce that around 3% of the EVE player base don't support SM3 today but at the current trend that will be down well below 1% early next year.
Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)
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RiotRick
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: RiotRick on 08/10/2010 09:54:26 Shader Model 3.0 as minimum seems like a sensible requirement. Even my work laptop has a shader model 3.0 card (ati x1350).
But.... I qoute:
"Not only is this needed for EVE to look amazing"
Will we get anti-aliasing support then?
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Dp Wiz
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:54:00 -
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Any roadmap to DX10/11?
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FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:04:00 -
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Quote: keep setting the bar higher for excellence.
First one to point and laugh.
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed a comment that isn't related to guild recruitment.
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Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari eNinjas Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 08/10/2010 10:06:28 I don't know about EVE players, but Valve's hardware survey shows that 85.5% of people have at least SM 4.0 (Direct-X 10 cards) and 6.0% of people have SM 2.0 or below. Unfortunately the category for the remaining 8.5% includes both SM 3.0 and SM 2.0b. Two cards in the detailed list (X700 and X800) are definitely SM 2.0b, for 3.1% of that, and some fraction of the "other" 3.6% will be too.
So the real figure for people with less than SM 3.0 is between 9.1% and 12.7%. At least for the valve survey. nullnull
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Talkietoaster
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:05:00 -
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Main workstation -> check ok Laptop -> check ok
I'm safe, bring it on
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MissyDark
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)
Well it's a computer game so the support for cellphone-grade hardware is not required. I'm surprised you didn't drop the support for ancient gfx cards yearlier :)
Less branched code is a better code, thumbs up.
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CCP Zulu
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 08/10/2010 10:06:28 I don't know about EVE players, but Valve's hardware survey shows that 85.5% of people have at least SM 4.0 (Direct-X 10 cards) and 6.0% of people have SM 2.0 or below. Unfortunately the category for the remaining 8.5% includes both SM 3.0 and SM 2.0b. Two cards in the detailed list (X700 and X800) are definitely SM 2.0b, for 3.1% of that, and some fraction of the "other" 3.6% will be too.
So the real figure for people with less than SM 3.0 is between 9.1% and 12.7%. At least for the valve survey.
That's true, but the Steam survey isn't our only data point. We also believe EVE players to be more technologically advanced than the average gamer. Which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption :)
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:17:00 -
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Let the crying commence... Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari eNinjas Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu
That's true, but the Steam survey isn't our only data point. We also believe EVE players to be more technologically advanced than the average gamer. Which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption :)
I would agree with that. I started posting before your reply, but digging in the hardware survey took a while :) nullnull
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu Our best metric is the Steam hardware report and general trending in hardware sales etc. Applying some common sense and logic and a few assumptions we deduce that around 3% of the EVE player base don't support SM3 today but at the current trend that will be down well below 1% early next year.
Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)
Fair enough. Even years-old low end video cards support SM3, and there's a limit to the age of legacy hardware you can reasonably be expected to support in a graphically focused game.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Rapid Pod Transport
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu Our best metric is the Steam hardware report and general trending in hardware sales etc.
Can't you just add a bit of code to EVE client to collect such data? I am sure it's not huge privacy violation (you can also make it non-mandatory).
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Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:07:00 -
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If my couple years old laptop supports it then clearly this isn't such a big deal.
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Kaahles
Fulcrum Weapon Systems Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kaahles on 08/10/2010 11:09:49 Wondered when you guys would drop the support for those old relics. I mean seriously those SM 2.0 cards are ancient history that also involves cave-painting (at least if you look at the time scale of hardware development, take into account how long you can expect to run a machine with a certain hardware and still play games).
Looking forward to the whines tbh cause especially this is a topic that usually produces a lot of laughter for me.
Okay I confess I play with the low-shader settings myself at the moment but that's because my machine is total crap and won't run 2 clients with SM 3.0 active. Actually I'm even surprised that two clients on this piece of **** is even possible. Time to go hardware shopping... if those darn sandy bridge cpu's would hit the market already |
Dan Grobag
Caldari French Empire Squad
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:09:00 -
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I want an ASCII EVE.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Grobag I want an ASCII EVE.
CCP Urist cancels action change skills on netbooks: Need more eye candy.
Tough luck about netbooks, but otherwise, I doubt anyone will care about this change.
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Kaahles
Fulcrum Weapon Systems Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:27:00 -
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Netbook skill changes are practical but hey I think that's why such a function is planned for EVE Gate soonÖ But yeah would be kinda nice if that function goes live around the same timeframe the new system requirements hit. Btw my personal guess: they'll hit with the release of Incarna. You read it here first ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:30:00 -
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Absolutely! Increased Eve gate functionality is a great way to make Eve "playable" on netbooks.
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Gil Danastre
Amarr 5TH Combat Training Squadron
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:35:00 -
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Seconding the SM4.0 question. How long till EVE is looking like the end of the Empyrean Age trailer?
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Rapid Pod Transport
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 08/10/2010 11:59:09
Originally by: Kaahles Netbook skill changes are practical but hey I think that's why such a function is planned for EVE Gate soonÖ
I seriously doubt that it will be ever possible to change skills through web. It's too simple to write a bot to change skills automatically. This is scenario CCP tries to avoid.
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:03:00 -
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Thanks for the little app. I would have been p*ssed if it had said my card didn't support 3.0 but it apparently does...
So yeah, whatever, out with the old and in with the new!
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Alyssa Kaeda
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:04:00 -
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So you decided to "conviniently" forget those that use netbooks (mine is under a year old now) for the on the road skill changing / corp chatting.
This is a decision that on the surface looks good but again shoots your long time customers in the leg.
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FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alyssa Kaeda So you decided to "conviniently" forget those that use netbooks (mine is under a year old now) for the on the road skill changing / corp chatting.
This is a decision that on the surface looks good but again shoots your long time customers in the leg.
There are limits even to raging at CCP.
Complaining that a netbook doesn't run current games is like complaining that you're not allowed to ride a bicycle on the highway.
If you need your on the road chatting so dearly, you should think about buying a cheap, small notebook. Netbooks are already antiquated anyway.
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed a comment that isn't related to guild recruitment.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:28:00 -
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My game box is fine. My laptop is screwed. I should have a new one by Q2 though anyway.
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achoura
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alyssa Kaeda So you decided to "conviniently" forget those that use netbooks (mine is under a year old now) for the on the road skill changing / corp chatting.
This is a decision that on the surface looks good but again shoots your long time customers in the leg.
Tbh, if said long term customer chose to buy a devices not built for gaming, to run games on, not much can be done to help said customer once education has already failed. That said, I thought part of the future eve-gate project was the changing of skills via the browser. Although I could be wrong, seeing as the customer is paying for the game, and seeing as web browsers run on everything down to mobile phones, that would solve everyone problem.
Still this wont change the wave of people who will complain of ccp making the base requirement the same as the rest of the industry has had for years. Also, that's a long period of notice, and brand new sm4.0 cards can be had today for ú30 ffs ***The EVE servers and their patches***
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