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Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.08 13:49:00 - [1] If you don't fancy warping to our moon, please warp to our TCU! C'mon guys ... what's an honest spy gotta do? We also need to make a living and this is just inhumane and probably against the Geneva convention in at least 3 accounts. It was sheer luck that I warped to the only other moon at that planet before I spotted that atrocity on scan. Probing out ships from there and warping to them instead allowed me to take this picture and live to tell the tale. Bad form! Recruiting!
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.10.08 14:07:00 - [2] wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.08 14:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Nomad Vherokic wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point? Nevermind the TCU in a wormhole, lets complain about exploits. ~_~
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.10.08 14:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Nomad Vherokic wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point? Nevermind the TCU in a wormhole, lets complain about exploits. But that wouldn't be fair to pick on someone's stupidity for sticking a TCU in a wormhole when there are exploits to be had... ;)
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.08 14:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Nomad Vherokic wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point? Nevermind the TCU in a wormhole, lets complain about exploits. Also the bubbles weren't set up in the shape of a *****, man, cat, monkey or dog in which case I would have been highly amused instead. Recruiting!
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.08 14:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Nomad Vherokic Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Nomad Vherokic wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point? Nevermind the TCU in a wormhole, lets complain about exploits. But that wouldn't be fair to pick on someone's stupidity for sticking a TCU in a wormhole when there are exploits to be had... ;) Actually it has a purpose as bait as you see it on overview in the entire system. "Huh, TCU in a wurmhol? lolol, let's see what's up with thaaaaarrrghhhhhh ... " Recruiting!
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.10.08 14:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Nomad Vherokic wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point? Nevermind the TCU in a wormhole, lets complain about exploits. Also the bubbles weren't set up in the shape of a *****, man, cat, monkey or dog in which case I would have been highly amused instead. These guys have fail all over them... I mean, do they not know that setting your bubbles up in the shape of a monkey is the most efficient way to spank people caught in them????
Niveon	Posted - 2010.10.08 15:39:00 - [8] So you're alt's Dark Pony and you're planning to be a spy huh?
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.08 15:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Niveon So you're alt's Dark Pony and you're planning to be a spy huh? WOT OF IT?Ö* * The term "Wot of it?" is used in license in this post and is a registered trademark and property of Spank Holdings Ltd. Recruiting!
Aasimartwo The Galactic Collective Sovereign Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.09 17:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Ran Khanon Also the bubbles weren't set up in the shape of a *****, man, cat, monkey or dog in which case I would have been highly amused instead. Apologies for this, I'll have it looked into immediately. If you have a specific request I can see what we can do.
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.09 19:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Aasimartwo Edited by: Aasimartwo on 09/10/2010 17:48:10 Originally by: Ran Khanon Also the bubbles weren't set up in the shape of a ****, man, cat, monkey or dog in which case I would have been highly amused instead. Apologies for this, I'll have it looked into immediately. If you have a specific request I can see what we can do. Edit: Also, this: Originally by:* Ran Khanon Actually it has a purpose as bait as you see it on overview in the entire system. "Huh, TCU in a wurmhol? lolol, let's see what's up with thaaaaarrrghhhhhh ... " So, how many Sisters Probe Launchers have you already farmed with that set up? :) Recruiting!
Evarus	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Niveon So you're alt's Dark Pony and you're planning to be a spy huh? Hey Niveon. I love your visage. Can I be the Dr Watson to your Sherlock?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.09 23:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Ran Khanon If you don't fancy warping to our moon, please warp to our TCU! C'mon guys ... what's an honest spy gotta do? We also need to make a living and this is just inhumane and probably against the Geneva convention in at least 3 accounts. It was sheer luck that I warped to the only other moon at that planet before I spotted that atrocity on scan. Probing out ships from there and warping to them instead allowed me to take this picture and live to tell the tale. Bad form! Report it for exploits. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.10.10 05:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Report it for exploits. How is this an exploit?
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.10.10 22:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Nathan Jameson Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Report it for exploits. How is this an exploit? Originally by: Nomad Vherokic wasn't anchoring cans purely for the purpose of decloaking someone an exploit at some point? I believe it still is.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.10.11 00:38:00 - [16] Its not an exploit, its just against the rules as it contributes to lag. If a GM thinks its going to make the game lag they'll get you for it, but anchoring 1-2 cans to decloak is not an exploit. I like me Senior Recruiter
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.10.11 01:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Aiwha Its not an exploit, its just against the rules as it contributes to lag. If a GM thinks its going to make the game lag they'll get you for it, but anchoring 1-2 cans to decloak is not an exploit. Check the screenshot, I'm pretty sure that is just a few more than "1-2 cans" anchored for uncloaking people. As for it being an exploit, yes it is. It was stated a while back that anchoring multiple containers was an exploit. I believe the generally accepted "rule of thumb" for it was something like six containers max.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.10.11 01:13:00 - [18] 1-2 no, how about 39+?
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.11 01:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Lanais Suleia 1-2 no, how about 39+? Wrong. Tard. -------- ¦
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Originally by: Lanais Suleia 1-2 no, how about 39+? Wrong. Tard. What? Count the containers on overview yourself if you want. I see at least 39 listed, no clue how many are in that little bit not shown. No need to call someone a tard for making a valid response to someone else in the topic. Unless of course you just enjoy making yourself look like the tard.
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Dario Wall Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Originally by: Lanais Suleia 1-2 no, how about 39+? Wrong. Tard. What? Count the containers on overview yourself if you want. I see at least 39 listed, no clue how many are in that little bit not shown. No need to call someone a tard for making a valid response to someone else in the topic. Unless of course you just enjoy making yourself look like the tard. Originally by: Lanais Suleia 1-2 no, how about 39+? Originally by: Lanais Suleia 1-2 no Originally by: Lanais Suleia 1-2 no -------- ¦
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo ..... I think your Forum Comprehension skill may have gone down a level without you noticing. Go back and read Lanais' post you quoted again, then read the one two posts above that. You should be able to see the connection then.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:29:00 - [23] I miss the good old days when people took pride in their can-anchoring and made giants dongs and/or swastikas... good times... Quote: Lord Makk > Be warned, Lykouleon is akin to the love-child of a Goon and a Maru'Kage, with just a touch of Butter Dog for bitterness
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Lykouleon I miss the good old days when people took pride in their can-anchoring and made giants dongs and/or swastikas... good times... Remember those can art competitions that people use to do? Some people have way too much free time to make the things they did.
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Dario Wall Originally by: Amanda Eidolo ..... I think your Forum Comprehension skill may have gone down a level without you noticing. Go back and read Lanais' post you quoted again, then read the one two posts above that. You should be able to see the connection then. Let me break it down for you: 1 can, jettisoned or anchored with the intention of uncloaking someone is an exploit. Doing this with more than 1 can is also an exploit, even up to 39 or more. Therefore you should now be enlightened as to the reason for my amusement. -------- ¦
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Originally by: Dario Wall Originally by: Amanda Eidolo ..... I think your Forum Comprehension skill may have gone down a level without you noticing. Go back and read Lanais' post you quoted again, then read the one two posts above that. You should be able to see the connection then. Let me break it down for you: 1 can, jettisoned or anchored with the intention of uncloaking someone is an exploit. Doing this with more than 1 can is also an exploit, even up to 39 or more. Therefore you should now be enlightened as to the reason for my amusement. Link to where that was stated please. If you look around on the forums, you can find where CCP has said that a few cans anchored is not an exploit, but having an extreme amount such as in this case is considered to be against rules.
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Dario Wall Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Originally by: Dario Wall Originally by: Amanda Eidolo ..... I think your Forum Comprehension skill may have gone down a level without you noticing. Go back and read Lanais' post you quoted again, then read the one two posts above that. You should be able to see the connection then. Let me break it down for you: 1 can, jettisoned or anchored with the intention of uncloaking someone is an exploit. Doing this with more than 1 can is also an exploit, even up to 39 or more. Therefore you should now be enlightened as to the reason for my amusement. Link to where that was stated please. If you look around on the forums, you can find where CCP has said that a few cans anchored is not an exploit, but having an extreme amount such as in this case is considered to be against rules. No you. -------- ¦
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.10.11 02:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo No you. Fair enough. Quick Google search found this topic which includes some pretty good replies from people who have petitioned it. Like I said earlier in this topic, the generally accepted idea is that a few cans is allowed. Having an extreme number that causes lag when loading the grid is where it becomes an exploit.
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.11 03:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Dario Wall Originally by: Amanda Eidolo No you. Fair enough. Quick Google search found this topic which includes some pretty good replies from people who have petitioned it. Like I said earlier in this topic, the generally accepted idea is that a few cans is allowed. Having an extreme number that causes lag when loading the grid is where it becomes an exploit. How spicy would you like your Chang's spicy sauce? -------- ¦
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.11 16:17:00 - [30] Using a can to uncloak someone isn't an exploit...anchoring tons of cans to cause lag is. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
xenodia Gallente DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE	Posted - 2010.10.11 20:32:00 - [31] we have more cans than that at our POS, but its not an exploit. See the guy that anchored all the bubbles around our POS just happened to place them near the 987298374982432 secure cans anchored around the POS for people to store ammo, spirits, and exotic dancers in. Any decloaking of enemy scouts attempting to warp into our POS and scout it out is purely accidental. This signature space for rent
Labelo Blanco	Posted - 2010.10.11 22:46:00 - [32] I can only speak from experience and observation but cans have a very low chance of de-cloaking you when you warp to that type of pos setup with a bubbled TCU or in any situation involving containers and bubbles of any type. I know this as I have warped to that TCU in that system many times. From experience an object placed in a "Warp bubble" has it's own variable proximity bubble that will cause a ship to land outside it's de-cloaking range. The range can vary from 1.5-3km and unless you move your ship towards the object you will stay cloaked. Now that sounds like a Viator pilots dream and to many it is, but what if these proximity variables or whatever were used to the aggressors advantage. There is one item in the game that I have found so far that does not seem to have a proximity bubble, it does not alter or affect in any way a ships warp trajectory and thus still has the ability to de-cloak unsuspecting prey. Using just 1 can and 1 unit of this item placed at certain points in any type of bubble can de-cloak any Covert ops on it's way from point a to point b. This does not mean that the target will land inside the bubble and be de-cloaked, only that the proximity bubble of the container can be used to place your target in a preferred spot. Again I know this through experience and have probably a couple of hundred kills from my time Camping the pipes of Southern Syndicate, I now use the same tactic to drag and catch haulers in W-Space. I'm sure peeps will realise what the item in question is but hey it's fun finding out and it's trial an error, but I will say that small mobile bubbles are your friends and distances of 2.5km and 5.5-6km from the centre of one are key to this tactical deployment. And bahh humbug to TPTB for slight changes to mobile bubble deployment, though there is still a way to get perfect alignment . I know it all sounds highly farcical and complete bunkum, and the more Transport pilots that believe that the better.
Buck Marui Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.10.12 14:53:00 - [33] +1 for taking the screenshot at: 1337 EVE time
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.12 17:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Buck Marui +1 for taking the screenshot at: 1337 EVE time -1 to everyone that has posted already in this thread failing to actually notice this very important detail. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.12 20:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Buck Marui +1 for taking the screenshot at: 1337 EVE time Lol! Now there's a perceptive fellow :) ~~Recruiting!~~
Eagle Artjay	Posted - 2010.10.24 13:21:00 - [36] Edited by: Eagle Artjay on 24/10/2010 13:24:39 Edited by: Eagle Artjay on 24/10/2010 13:23:47 Originally by: Ran KhanonSo how many Sisters Probe Launchers have you already farmed with that set up? :) Well I don't think we caught any sisters yet. Usually its the meta 1 variety :( Still funny though when people warp to it. Anyone who has their brain switched on can move away and cloak up before the pos guns target & jam. As for exploit, meh we didn't know it was. If a GM wants to delete them all it would save us the trouble to feel free to petition^^ TCU's are so damn cheap now everyone should get one.
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.24 17:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Eagle Artjay Edited by: Eagle Artjay on 24/10/2010 13:24:39 Edited by: Eagle Artjay on 24/10/2010 13:23:47 Originally by: Ran KhanonSo how many Sisters Probe Launchers have you already farmed with that set up? :) Well I don't think we caught any sisters yet. Usually its the meta 1 variety :( Still funny though when people warp to it. Anyone who has their brain switched on can move away and cloak up before the pos guns target & jam. As for exploit, meh we didn't know it was. If a GM wants to delete them all it would save us the trouble to feel free to petition^^ TCU's are so damn cheap now everyone should get one. I won't petition it. Would be a little nasty. Serves those pesky covops pilots right actually and I doubt that it will induce much extra lag when warping to that grid anyway. It amused me though and I thought it deserved some exposure ^_^ Like this Saturn style double tower pos. ~~Recruiting!~~
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.10.24 19:22:00 - [38] from experience the lag is more on deathstar pos than on bubble + can pos. but well depend on the number of objets. but the grid i remember being really laggy were some with tons of guns, not with tons of cans. would be funny to petition someone for having too many guns xD ---------------- Wormhole Trading
VanHalen5150	Posted - 2010.10.25 08:27:00 - [39] I beg to differ with those who are crying exploit. Anchoring cans with the intention of causing lag to give a tactical advantage IS an exploit, and I agree with that position totally. Anchoring cans with the intention of using them to decloak a ship, is not an exploit, and is totally "Legal". The whole deal about cans is this. If you were to set up a gate camp and anchor 50-100 cans at that gate, anybody warping to or jumping through said gate will have lag waiting on their overview to load, and you will have an unfair advantage to be able to web, scram, shoot them. the point of the cans in our wormhole is not, and never has been to induce lag. its pointless for this setup. All those cans are for is to decloak some poor unsuspecting N00b who warps to the TCU so the POS can kill. Also... Picture at 13:37... Thats full of win. I love it. Van
Zekuloth	Posted - 2010.10.25 10:06:00 - [40] Originally by: VanHalen5150 I beg to differ with those who are crying exploit. Anchoring cans with the intention of causing lag to give a tactical advantage IS an exploit, and I agree with that position totally. Anchoring cans with the intention of using them to decloak a ship, is not an exploit, and is totally "Legal". The whole deal about cans is this. If you were to set up a gate camp and anchor 50-100 cans at that gate, anybody warping to or jumping through said gate will have lag waiting on their overview to load, and you will have an unfair advantage to be able to web, scram, shoot them. the point of the cans in our wormhole is not, and never has been to induce lag. its pointless for this setup. All those cans are for is to decloak some poor unsuspecting N00b who warps to the TCU so the POS can kill. Also... Picture at 13:37... Thats full of win. I love it. Van you trying to get people banned from this game or something, it has been repeatedly advised by GM's that anchoring cans to decloak is an exploit, i have petitioned this before and both times received my ships back and exploiters had there bubbles and cans removed by GM, so there.
xenodia Gallente DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Zekuloth Originally by: VanHalen5150 I beg to differ with those who are crying exploit. Anchoring cans with the intention of causing lag to give a tactical advantage IS an exploit, and I agree with that position totally. Anchoring cans with the intention of using them to decloak a ship, is not an exploit, and is totally "Legal". The whole deal about cans is this. If you were to set up a gate camp and anchor 50-100 cans at that gate, anybody warping to or jumping through said gate will have lag waiting on their overview to load, and you will have an unfair advantage to be able to web, scram, shoot them. the point of the cans in our wormhole is not, and never has been to induce lag. its pointless for this setup. All those cans are for is to decloak some poor unsuspecting N00b who warps to the TCU so the POS can kill. Also... Picture at 13:37... Thats full of win. I love it. Van you trying to get people banned from this game or something, it has been repeatedly advised by GM's that anchoring cans to decloak is an exploit, i have petitioned this before and both times received my ships back and exploiters had there bubbles and cans removed by GM, so there. So they will just use POS mods instead. A small artillery battery will decloak every bit as well as a can. This signature space for rent
VanHalen5150	Posted - 2010.10.26 23:12:00 - [42] Count yourself lucky, the GM who returned your ship wasn't aware of why or how cans are an exploit, its not about the cans, its about the use of lag. which doesnt apply in this situation. And yeah, you can use alot of things besides cans.

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