| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Hastrabull
   |
Posted - 2005.01.04 00:39:00 -
[1]
Small question to smart guys here :)
when u going in warp, u going 6 au/s or 897,587,214,618 m/s.
897,587,214,618 m/s
how fast it is in km/s?
1 km = 1000 m
so
897,587,214,618/1000 = 897,587,214.618 km/s
right?
so... speed of light is about 300 000 km/s right?
so...
897 587 214.618 km/s / 300 000 km/s = 2991 ly/s ??? (ly = light years)
if my calculations are right, we dont need jump gates :D
our galaxy is like 100 000 ly so...
100 000/2991 = 33 :)
u would need 33 seconds to get to another side of galaxy :)
but in eve u fly through one system in 30 seconds...
on the other hand, in warp u going 6 au/s
1 au is about 150 m km... so... its still about the same :)
pls, someone help me with this... am i right or its just to late? :)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: |
Prince Yellow
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 00:42:00 -
[2]
Your mining too I see.
|
jamesw
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 00:52:00 -
[3]
Edited by: jamesw on 04/01/2005 00:52:55
 Quote:
897 587 214.618 km/s / 300 000 km/s = 2991 ly/s
I think that works out to being around 2991 Light seconds per second. which sounds about right to me.
to get the distance of a light year, you would need 300000km * 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hrs * 365 days.
--
jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
|
Prince Yellow
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 00:52:00 -
[4]
And so are you.
|
jamesw
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 00:53:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Prince Yellow
And so are you.
hehehe
no I'm at work - even worse!!
--
jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
|
Face Lifter
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 00:59:00 -
[6]
the galaxy is 90,000 light years across
since we are talking about speed per second, that's:
90,000 *365*24*3600 = 2,838,240,000,000 seconds of travel time at light speed
light speed: 299,792,458 m/s
so the galaxy is about: 850,882,945,993,920,000,000 meters wide.
1 AU is 149598000000 meters, 6 AU = 897,588,000,000 m
traveling at 6 AU/s, it will take you: 947,966,044 seconds, or about 30 years to cross.. you sure you want to wait that long?
|
Omniscience
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 01:14:00 -
[7]
100 000 light years is 365 * 24 * 60 = 12 806 244 000 light minutes.
Given a speed of 6 AU per second (one AU is roughly 8 light minutes) that's 12 806 244 000 / 48 = 266 796 750 seconds of travel.
That's 4 446 612.5 minutes.
Which is 185 275.5 hours.
Which is 7 719.8 days.
Which is 21.1 years.
I think.
|
CmdrRat
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 02:07:00 -
[8]
Funny how everyone gets thier own answer, but they are all REALLY REALLY big.
________________________________________________
Except for Ending Slavery, Fascism and communism, War Has Never Solved Anything |
Tuwile Naldai
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 02:13:00 -
[9]
Ever warp to a super safespot in a pod? By the time you came out of warp you were half way across the map.
|
Heritor
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 11:56:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Hastrabull
so... speed of light is about 300 000 km/s right?
so...
897 587 214.618 km/s / 300 000 km/s = 2991 ly/s ??? (ly = light years)
If you divided (km/s)/(km/s) then you have no units, what you have calculated is how many times faster than light you are travelling.....how did you get to light years 2991 is just some sscaler 
|
Wrangler
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 12:08:00 -
[11]
Uhm.. ok.. we need stargates.. 
[Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] |
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 12:54:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 04/01/2005 13:30:31
1 AU = 8 lightminutes
Speed : 6 AU/s (48 lightminutes/s)
Distance : 100 000 lightyears
1 lightyear => 365*24*60 => 525600 lightminutes
525600/48 = 10950 seconds
= 182.5 minutes
= 3.04166666666666666666666666 hours
3.04166 hours for 1 lightyear, so 304166 hours for 100000 lightyears.
304166/24/365 = 34.722 years
At least it makes more sense than the 1st result I got when I forgot to multiply by 100k
I've found and corrected about 3 errors I made so far, there might still be some more 
|
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 13:13:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 04/01/2005 13:22:52
Originally by: Hastrabull
897 587 214.618 km/s / 300 000 km/s = 2991 ly/s ??? (ly = light years)
As some have already pointed out, you're not actually calculating the lightyears/second speed here.
Your speed : 897 587 214.618 km/s
Light Speed : 300 000 km/s
1 light year is 300000*60*60*24*365 = 9460800000000 km
9460800000000/897587214.618 = 10540 seconds for each lightyear you travel, or 2.903 hours per lightyear. Multiply that by 100k and you want stargates 
|
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 13:26:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 04/01/2005 13:32:57
Originally by: CmdrRat
Funny how everyone gets thier own answer, but they are all REALLY REALLY big.
Yeah it's giving me a headache, I'm trying to figure out which ones of us that made errors and where - not an easy task, it was ages ago I did math.
(Edit : After correcting an error in my math, adjusting it down from 300 years to 30, I think we have 3 ppl with the right answer, just with different starting values or something, since the results are kinda close to each other).
|
Andrue
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 13:31:00 -
[15]
Originally by: CmdrRat
Funny how everyone gets thier own answer, but they are all REALLY REALLY big.
The best s/f books I know for conveying the true size of the galaxy are "A fire upon the deep" and "A darkness in the sky" both by Vernor Vinge. In the former he talks about empires of thousands of stars being created, living for a few thousand years then dying without ever making contact with anyone else. IMO any book, TV show, film or computer game where travel between the stars is cheap, simple and quick is totally unrealistic.
The best we can probably hope for is something like CJ Cherryh's universe where interstellar travel is expensive and takes several days of ship-board time and a month or so of real time. Actually one improvement I'd like on her description is the addition of a week's travel time to get from the sun to the jump point and back.
--
(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
GoGo Yubari
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 13:37:00 -
[16]
My brain hurts.
|
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 13:46:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 04/01/2005 13:49:48
Originally by: Omniscience
100 000 light years is 365 * 24 * 60 = 12 806 244 000 light minutes.
I get : 100000*365*24*60 = 52560000000 lightminutes
Which would result in :
1095000000 s of travel
or 18250000 minutes
or 304166.66666666666666666666666667 hours
or 12673.611111111111111111111111111 days
or 34.722222222222222222222222222222 years
12 806 244 000/365/24/60 = 24365, some garbage left in the calculator perhaps?
|
Der Ewige
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 14:15:00 -
[18]
If we please cold agree on the SI standart units and calculate in meters and seconds.
Thanks
|
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 14:30:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Der Ewige
If we please cold agree on the SI standart units and calculate in meters and seconds.
Yeah it's a bit confusing that a lightyear is a distance.
|
Streetrip
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 22:38:00 -
[20]
about that novelists theory on like space travel. There are other possibilities of space travel...watchin tons of sci-fi makes me pick up these things.
1) Old fashioned 'warp' by just goin really really really fast from A-B
2) Wormhole which pretty much folds space. For those of you who dont get wormholes imagine for a second you had a hollow tube...i need to get from one end to the other without goin thru the middle. Also you cant go outside cos of some retarded reason. So what do i do? I fold the tube, so they touch at the ends and then drill a hole...your hole is a wormhole, the tube is space...tada simple like...conversion of wormhole physics.
3) Stasis which is the lost in space thing...probs the most least exciting we can all admit
oh and there's the fourth one which is the slingshot one but that pretty much goes for really really fast
4) imagine a big bloke. REALLY REALLY big i'm talkin worlds strongest guy...you run into him u die...you run really close to him, he grabs you by the arm and swings you really fast so you fly...thats the slingshot effect. Works with suns and planets
|
Nyphur
|
Posted - 2005.01.04 23:31:00 -
[21]
Edited by: Nyphur on 04/01/2005 23:33:19
Originally by: Streetrip
4) imagine a big bloke. REALLY REALLY big i'm talkin worlds strongest guy...you run into him u die...you run really close to him, he grabs you by the arm and swings you really fast so you fly...thats the slingshot effect. Works with suns and planets
Oh man, that is the best description of the slingshot effect I have ever heard ^^. A really big bloke :D.
Just to add to the thread, I recall playing Frontier: Elite II on the amiga many many moons ago. Elite has had a considerable impact on the development of Eve. In Elite, they had two travel methods: Jump drives/Hyperspace drives for travelling between two star systems instantaneously and normal sub-light thrusters. Since Elite used a real space model and assumed it to be a perfect vaccuum or that the ships somehow dealt with space debris without you knowing, the sub-light thrusters would be used for acceleration and deceleration with no maximum speed. In Elite, it DID take days to cross large solar systems. How they got around it was using the good old stasis idea. They had a thing called "Dreamsleep" or something which let you effectively speed up time by altering your stasis chamber's settings. You didn't stop time for yourself, but you slowed it down to varying degrees.
Of course, Eve could never adopt this kind of model but it's nice to think about.
|
Lazarus Longinus
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 00:34:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: CmdrRat
Funny how everyone gets thier own answer, but they are all REALLY REALLY big.
The best s/f books I know for conveying the true size of the galaxy are "A fire upon the deep" and "A darkness in the sky" both by Vernor Vinge. In the former he talks about empires of thousands of stars being created, living for a few thousand years then dying without ever making contact with anyone else. IMO any book, TV show, film or computer game where travel between the stars is cheap, simple and quick is totally unrealistic.
The best we can probably hope for is something like CJ Cherryh's universe where interstellar travel is expensive and takes several days of ship-board time and a month or so of real time. Actually one improvement I'd like on her description is the addition of a week's travel time to get from the sun to the jump point and back.
Try reading Alistair Reynolds Revelation Space for size : D. Ships going as close to the speed of light as possible (*but not actually doing it*) can take dozens of years to travel between star systesm. Thank you cryo sleep : D
---------------------------------------------
I'm the root of all thats evil yeah, but you can call me Cooki3
Some people couldn't get a clue, if they were in the middle of a clue field, in the middle of clue mating season, doused in clue pheromones, in a clue suit, shouting "Clooo! Clooo!" whilst beating themselves with a clue stick |
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 13:05:00 -
[23]
I did some more calculations :
Closest Star : Proxima Centauri, Centaurus constellation
Distance : 4.2 lightyears
From the previous calculations I made, 1 lightyear would take 3.04166 hours to travel.
3.04166 * 4.2 = 12.774972
So it'd be possible to get to the closest star in less than a day. Still not very playable though...
|
Gallentia Walmart
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 13:26:00 -
[24]
Add to this the time dilation experienced when travelling at speeds close to the speed of light and you would find that when you got to your destination you would be 3426.76 years older than everyone was there when you left.
sponsors ET Radio http://evesound.net/ |
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 13:31:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Gallentia Walmart
Add to this the time dilation experienced when travelling at speeds close to the speed of light and you would find that when you got to your destination you would be 3426.76 years older than everyone was there when you left.
All calculations I've made assume that standard newtonian physics apply, which we know isn't the case but it's still close enough when assuming that you're travelling at speeds faster than what is believed to be possible at all.
|
Rico Steel
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 13:46:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Rico Steel on 05/01/2005 13:46:18
If we wanna talk a bit about cryo sleep then watch that film with mel gibson, who gets put into a primative cryo chamber during WW2 as an experiment and wakes up in the 80/90s. He survived it but kept on getting major freezer burn, each time he aged slightly and in the end he dies as an old man.
Basically the scientist who created the cryo chamber couldnt figure out how to deal with time catching up on the person being frozen. So he could freeze people/animals, successfully revive them, but then the person ends up dying days/weeks/months later due to the person aging quickly.
If we ever invent cryo chambers then we need to prevent it....
|
Andrue
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 13:48:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Lazarus Longinus
Try reading Alistair Reynolds Revelation Space for size : D. Ships going as close to the speed of light as possible (*but not actually doing it*) can take dozens of years to travel between star systesm. Thank you cryo sleep : D
In Vernor's books he has an interesting idea that technology is limited by your distance from galactic centre. Out on the rim of the galaxy civilisations can 'transcend' becoming god-like entities and the speed of light is not a limiting factor. As you move further in the maximum speed begins to drop and technology goes with it. Eventually you get so deep that even thinking becomes impossible.
In those books the supposed (now long lost) location of Earth is just outside the "unthinking depths". Luckily for our species some of us managed to move far enough out to get to the point where FTL and AI was possible so we are a known (but small) presence.
Most human civilisations never get that far and so are doomed to birth, death, rebirth. A Darkness in the Sky details how a group of traders tries to help one human civilisation avoid collapsing under its own wheight. That organisation travels using sublight ram scoops where journeys take hundreds of years in real time.
--
(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
Andrue
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 13:49:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Scorpyn
I did some more calculations :
Closest Star : Proxima Centauri, Centaurus constellation
Nitpicking:Closest star is 1AU from Earth
--
(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
Scorpyn
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 14:01:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Rico Steel
So he could freeze people/animals, successfully revive them, but then the person ends up dying days/weeks/months later due to the person aging quickly.
If we ever invent cryo chambers then we need to prevent it....
Actually I don't think that'd be a real problem, the main problem would be aging while sleeping I think. Movies aren't always right about scientific facts you know
Originally by: Andrue
Nitpicking:Closest star is 1AU from Earth
Whatever
|
Dibhala
|
Posted - 2005.01.05 14:48:00 -
[30]
I think we have to be careful about our reference frames here. The star (from an observer on earths point of view) is X metres away. Also from our point of view the ship is moving at Y metres per second away from us. The time it takes from our point of view for the ship to reach the star is simply X/Y seconds, special relativity or none.
The fun starts however when we attempt to find out how long it takes for someone on the ship to reach the star. This is where time dilation comes in. The time (from the ships point of view) taken for the ship to traverse the distance X is less depending on their relative speed ( t_ship = t_earth * (1-v^2/c^2)^1/2 ). Also from the ship's point of view, the distance to the star is contracted by an amount X_ship = X_earth * (1-v^2/c^2)^1/2 (notice this means that the relative velocities remain consistent).
For a ship travelling at c (speed of light) the time taken for the ship to reach the planet from the ship's point of view is 0. For a ship travelling past the speed of light the theory screws up royally of course :) What happens after that is currently beyond our reach.
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |