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Sky Orcagna	Posted - 2010.10.08 18:31:00 - [1] If you haven't already voted, consider doing so now. Regardless of whether you support this idea or not, let the CSM and CCP know where you stand on the issue. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.10.08 18:37:00 - [2] I would think it okay if you could do it with ISK. But NOT with PLEX only. That is just the wrong way and will destroy EVE in the end.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.10.08 18:41:00 - [3] Funnily enough this thread spam about the issue is starting to bother me more than the actual planned changes.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.08 18:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Gnulpie I would think it okay if you could do it with ISK. But NOT with PLEX only. That is just the wrong way and will destroy EVE in the end. ISK -> PLEX at variable rate _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.10.08 19:04:00 - [5] I'm cool with it as long as it doesn't get to the point where people paying the base amount aren't disadvantaged. Like with the PLEX->remap thing who cares if people can pay to have it done? You already get one remap per year free which is more than enough
Tal'sung	Posted - 2010.10.08 19:07:00 - [6] I'm perfectly fine with it.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2010.10.08 19:16:00 - [7] If I can pay CCP rl $$$ for a huge black skull logo on my Navy Raven to scare off ninja salvagers I'm all for it.
Alia Poole	Posted - 2010.10.08 19:56:00 - [8] Last time I checked CCP wasn't a democracy but hey, knock yourself out voting.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.10.08 21:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Alia Poole Last time I checked CCP wasn't a democracy but hey, knock yourself out voting. I'm pretty certain that if anyone really feels strongly enough, they can vote with their wallets. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2010.10.08 21:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Alia Poole Last time I checked CCP wasn't a democracy but hey, knock yourself out voting. I'm pretty certain that if anyone really feels strongly enough, they can vote with their wallets. You could, trouble is these companies are finding micro-transactions profitable and if people are willing to pay, and people are paying in other games not just MMOs. I don't like micro-transactions but unless people are united against them they will be here to stay in the gaming world.
Eran Laude Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.10.08 22:24:00 - [11] Game design by democracy. That's an even worse idea that microtransactions. ----- Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.08 22:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Taedrin I'm pretty certain that if anyone really feels strongly enough, they can vote with their wallets. They would vote with their wallets. In a full-fledged micro-transaction situation, one-third of the current player base would quit over the changes. Of the remaining two-thirds, some would have stayed because they stand to benefit from micro-transactions, others because they don't care either way, and still others because they simply don't have the willpower to quit, even though they hate the changes. CCP would receive a minimum of 60-70% more income per month per subscribed account, on average (industry standard for cash shop games is much higher than that). There would be fewer players, meaning less use of bandwidth and less load on the servers, further increasing profits. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose, except a huge slice of the player base. We'll see which one they've chosen in a few years.
Cupio Mortem	Posted - 2010.10.08 22:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph one-third of the current player base would quit over the changes. I doubt Chribba would quit over this.
Adamantor	Posted - 2010.10.08 23:26:00 - [14] Edited by: Adamantor on 08/10/2010 23:27:11 I've been through the microtransaction conversion before with DDO. It's one of the main reasons I left DDO and came back to EVE. I think it's something players should be very worried about as microtransactions are a slippery slope. It starts with simple, trivial items but leads to other possible items that can be sold in the future. In DDO's case, they also switch to a free to play model at the same time. Hopefully CCP never considers such a move (you never know in today's gaming world) but the impact of these changes from my own perspective is that it allowed a much lower base of player into the game and provided them means to bypass the challenges players had faced before. It also caused many veteran players to quit the game, leaving mostly newer, transient players who lacked longer term dedication to the game (and it's future). In the long term, i think micro's are like speed to game companies right now, they boost revenue for short periods and everyone is addicted to deploying them in an effort to increase revenue. Another reason this is bad, is that it requires time to build and code these systems. It also takes much more time to support these purchases when they don't work as intended. I'd much rather these resources be used to fix current features or expand others, rather than waste those resources on something as silly as microtransactions. I blame companies like Zynga and other supposed 'game' companies who are pushing these micro's and creating game experiences that are as transient and trivial as they are now. MMO's should never have been married to these microtransactions but should have instead relied upon the tried and true subscription model. Instead, when faced with static subscriber numbers or in many cases declining subscriber numbers (and revenue), game companies choose to setup microtransaction systems that double dip their customers. What they should be doing is taking a hard look at the core subscribers who have sustained the game and better understand what keeps players interested in the long run. If their current subscription model cannot support the costs or expectations for revenue, then subscription fee's should be increased. If we need to pay more per month for an outstanding game like EVE, dedicated players should be willing to pay for it. When I started my first MMO subscription in 1998 for Ultima Online, I paid $9.95. Today I'm playing EVE for $14.95. 12 years later and a $5 price increase is getting off pretty cheap if you ask me. Don't ruin a great and unique game with microtransactions just because you need some additional revenue streams. More than anything, I hope CCP does what it's always done best and NOT follow the rest of the gaming industry herd.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.10.09 06:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Cupio Mortem Originally by: Orange Lagomorph one-third of the current player base would quit over the changes. I doubt Chribba would quit over this. Maybe some of my alts will as they're in that 1/3rd part But no, I wouldn't quit over it - however it's a worrying trend imo that will make the game less fun/interesting (at least from my pov). /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2010.10.09 08:26:00 - [16] I will pay for advantage. I've played many, many F2P MMOs where a cash shop was involved and truth be told I liked it. How about instead of ***ing about it you get off the intrawebs and go out and get a job that pays you a decent wage so that you don't have to worry about "making" next months sub fee and you got money to away because you.... Learned a skill worth having. Provided a service that was needed. Or a combination of the two that made you rich. Welcome to the real world, where what you have is decided by what you aspire to get. Next time you see that fancy car that you like drive by, don't automatically hate the person driving it, instead ask yourself, what can 'I' do to put myself behind the wheel. I know this might be a hard concept for all you global government hippy *s to get. That is real life though. Chances are, it's not posting on the EVE-O forums about how much you hate the changes coming up. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.09 08:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Cupio Mortem Originally by: Orange Lagomorph one-third of the current player base would quit over the changes. I doubt Chribba would quit over this. Maybe some of my alts will as they're in that 1/3rd part But no, I wouldn't quit over it - however it's a worrying trend imo that will make the game less fun/interesting (at least from my pov). /c Awww come on Chribba.. for 4.99 USD, you could get yourself some bangin' rims for the Veldnaught and maybe for 1.99 more, get a custom bumper stick put on the back that says, 'DUDE YOUR FACE!!!' What people should consider is.. in EVE, stuff goes boom. And it is gone. How long exactly would microtransaction last, or even be effective.. when player A dumps idk, 20 USD on some cash only ship and begins to undock it with giggles n grins.. Only to have it blown up 31 seconds later by a gank squad. Instead of considering all the doomsday scenarios.. try the glass is half full approach. Think EVE produces legendary tears now? Heh. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.10.09 09:06:00 - [18] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/10/2010 09:07:41 I'm considering to vote for microtransactions, just so these threads about it would stop as all people who are butthurt about it enough to make new threads about it would ragequit.. wouldn't they?
Cupio Mortem	Posted - 2010.10.09 09:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/10/2010 09:07:41 I'm considering to vote for microtransactions, just so these threads about it would stop as all people who are butthurt about it enough to make new threads about it would ragequit.. wouldn't they? You'd think so...but no. They promise...but no. I'd pay for them to be shot out of cannons...but no.
Sasha Tu	Posted - 2010.10.09 09:31:00 - [20] Um, whats a micro transaction.... seriously
Pep Alo	Posted - 2010.10.09 11:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Schalac I will pay for advantage. I've played many, many F2P MMOs where a cash shop was involved and truth be told I liked it. How about instead of ***ing about it you get off the intrawebs and go out and get a job that pays you a decent wage so that you don't have to worry about "making" next months sub fee and you got money to away because you.... Learned a skill worth having. Provided a service that was needed. Or a combination of the two that made you rich. Welcome to the real world, where what you have is decided by what you aspire to get. Next time you see that fancy car that you like drive by, don't automatically hate the person driving it, instead ask yourself, what can 'I' do to put myself behind the wheel. I know this might be a hard concept for all you global government hippy *s to get. That is real life though. Chances are, it's not posting on the EVE-O forums about how much you hate the changes coming up. I like your post, specially 2nd part.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.09 11:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Cupio Mortem Originally by: Orange Lagomorph one-third of the current player base would quit over the changes. I doubt Chribba would quit over this. Maybe some of my alts will as they're in that 1/3rd part But no, I wouldn't quit over it - however it's a worrying trend imo that will make the game less fun/interesting (at least from my pov). /c QFT Terrible idea! /charles barkley
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2010.10.09 12:35:00 - [23] If they make EVE F2P, I'll consider staying for microtransactions, likely not, but I'll consider it. I'm not going to pay a monthly fee, AND deal with the gameplay changes that microtransactions introduce. No way.
clixoras	Posted - 2010.10.09 12:47:00 - [24] 1. Introduction of microtransactions through PLEXES 2. Plex price 500m+ 3. 100.000 alt accounts go inactive 4. ???????? 5. not so much profit for CCP
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.09 13:02:00 - [25] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 09/10/2010 13:05:34 Originally by: Orange Lagomorph CCP would receive a minimum of 60-70% more income per month per subscribed account, on average (industry standard for cash shop games is much higher than that). There would be fewer players, meaning less use of bandwidth and less load on the servers, further increasing profits. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose, except a huge slice of the player base. We'll see which one they've chosen in a few years. Yes less lag, more profit, faster progression, it all looks all too beautiful! Personally I'm not that much against microtransactions, even not those that benefit you in game. After all don't a lot of people say it's about player skill and not gear or SP? You can buy everything but player skill so there's no need to worry or get upset.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.10.09 13:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Funnily enough this thread spam about the issue is starting to bother me more than the actual planned changes. EACS, EVE's leading jumpclone service, is FOR SALE
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.09 14:20:00 - [27] Microtransactions lead to Greed. Greed leads to NGE. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.10.09 14:22:00 - [28] Yea i fully support it, More noobs flying expensive ships is a good thing. PLEX ISK or RL cash will never be able to teach people how to play.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.09 14:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Brian Ballsack Yea i fully support it, More noobs flying expensive ships is a good thing. PLEX ISK or RL cash will never be able to teach people how to play. I wish more people would think like you!
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.10.09 15:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Blane Xero Microtransactions lead to Greed. Greed leads to NGE. For SWG it was the oposite, and I thankfully left before MTs where introduced.Although the game sucked huge a few months into NGE. I still have nightmares about SWG NGE. After 4 years of playing SOE started to fully not listening to players while we tried to have a civil argumentation after its launch. When that did not help people started to demonstrate and quit, and SOE started to ban people! Hehe. And after some time I told SOE to go suck some balls and got a 3 month ban in reward. Although that did not bother me at all since I had quit my 3 month recurring subs at that point. The fun part, a half a year later SOE had lost more than half of their playerbase and started sending out panicly spammails in getting people back. And at one point I was offered a 3 month free gameplay for signing up again. Which I did not. For me SWG was dead and SOE ruined it. Thankfully CCP is NOT SOE and EVE is certainly not SWG!!! But still, microtransactions sits uneasy with me. But then, we will see. Maybe they change their mind? Maybe they do find a solution for it that truly works for all parts involed?? I am a reasonable person with reasonable civil manners. Before I start having uncivil manners and becoming "unreasonable" CCP would have to become it first. And I dont see that happen. I think we can work things out. And I try to forget SWG. Its the pinacle of bad customer treatment Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

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