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eek amouse	Posted - 2010.10.09 06:00:00 - [1] looking for something to do level 4s, maybe some mission busting or worm holes. worm holes are kind of the last priority right now, but something for the future. i can fly HACs and have good shield/gunnery skills, but still need battlecruisers level 5. my skills are really focused around flying things smaller than battleships, so i'd rather get a tech2 or tech3 ship, despite the cost. at the same time i'm looking more for a kind of starter fit. something i can get and add on to as i make more cash. i can't be throwing a lot of faction stuff on there yet. mainly just trying to decide if i should bother with getting command ships with a month of training, or just save more and go straight to T3. i think either way, T3 is the end goal, but i wasn't sure if the sleippy might be a better/cheaper way to start off.
DeBingJos Minmatar Ethically Questionable	Posted - 2010.10.09 07:28:00 - [2] The Loki is faster to train for, but costs more. The sleip takes longer to train but is cheaper. Both are not cheap and need faction stuff to be effective imo.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.10.09 09:56:00 - [3] Get the T3, it's a Covops, Logistics ship, Recon thing in one, and more. Great fun, great return on skillpoints time, and you can come back and pimp them once you've found an income you're happy with. Also, reconsider wormholes, c3s can be fast money with you and a friend or 2, and good luck with the nanoribbons.
Headerman	Posted - 2010.10.09 10:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Get the T3, it's a Covops, Logistics ship, Recon thing in one, and more. Great fun, great return on skillpoints time, and you can come back and pimp them once you've found an income you're happy with. Also, reconsider wormholes, c3s can be fast money with you and a friend or 2, and good luck with the nanoribbons. ^^^ this. Lokis have to be the most versatile ship in Eve. They are great. When i venture into WH's with a small gang, i take this: [Loki, WH gang] Shield Power Relay II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Ballistic Deflection Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Warrior II x5
eek amouse	Posted - 2010.10.09 17:04:00 - [5] cool. good info. yea, it'd be a shorter train, even with getting subsystem skills to 4-5. i have some buddies that are pretty knowledgeable with worm holes, so i'll probably get in there sooner than i made it sound. what about a more solo oriented fit? off to battleclinic for loadout ideas.
Petrov Kreigt Caldari Project Nemesis	Posted - 2010.10.21 10:05:00 - [6] If you want to be flashy and versatile... Loki If you want to kill something stupidly fast while tanking it as well as keeping a reasonable amount in your wallet for an easy replacement... Sleipnir either way id use a Sleipnir
Suan Sanche	Posted - 2010.10.21 10:32:00 - [7] Check your wallet first and plan according. I would also say t3 for it will be faster to train if you're not "almost there" with sleipnir. If you're close, then get CS. You get absolutely amazing BC V skill with cheap option to pvp with some other skills that might come handy later. Also, consider the basic rule: don't fly what you can't lose. With the price of t3 you can lose 2-3 sleipnirs.
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.10.21 17:43:00 - [8] Why choose? Get both! My vote is for the Sleipnir first, no I haven't flown it yet (I'm about a week away), but Battlecruisers V is the best long skill I ever trained. You will fly Hurricanes like a space sex god ever after. ...
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.21 18:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/10/2010 18:19:35 So I wouldn't recommend either one for doing missions, but the Sleip will work great for mission busting. The Loki probably holds a small advantage in wormholes. -Liang Ed: And yes I can fly them. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.10.21 20:18:00 - [10] what is a good mission fit for the sleipnir ? i always wanted to use it for mission but i always end up with something else

SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.21 20:49:00 - [11] just lvl4 missions: get a vargur/machariel Loki works fine for wormholing, sleipnir works fine up to C3 (perhaps C4) Ideally though you want to do your lvl4s in a bs (varg/mach), your wormholing in a loki (in case of solo) or a sleip (in case of small/med gang) and your pvp in a loki/sleip (I prefer sleip over loki in pvp) __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.22 00:22:00 - [12] Originally by: 1600 RT what is a good mission fit for the sleipnir ? i always wanted to use it for mission but i always end up with something else I knew I had a fit at home... [Sleipnir, Mission] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Pretty impressive damage and tank. Not impressive range. Like SFX said, I'd rather be in my Vargur...but it seemed fun to dink around in to me.
eek amouse	Posted - 2010.10.22 02:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: 1600 RT what is a good mission fit for the sleipnir ? i always wanted to use it for mission but i always end up with something else I knew I had a fit at home... [Sleipnir, Mission] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Pretty impressive damage and tank. Not impressive range. Like SFX said, I'd rather be in my Vargur...but it seemed fun to dink around in to me. well, i mean, i fly a vagabond. i used a muninn for level 3s. i like to zip around in small ships. stepping into a maelstrom and watching a ****** BS move, i felt like i died a little inside. i'm a pvp character primarily and atm in pvp i'd pretty much only use a BS for POS bashing and that's more about sheer numbers than individual dps. i'm not about to train for something i'd only use in missions. mission efficiency is less important than having a ship that's fun to fly, has multiple uses outside of missions and still does level 4s reasonably well.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.22 05:17:00 - [14] Originally by: eek amouse well, i mean, i fly a vagabond. i used a muninn for level 3s. i like to zip around in small ships. stepping into a maelstrom and watching a ****** BS move, i felt like i died a little inside. Well, the Mael is a fat ass, no doubt. But the Vargur feels much more maneuverable than that. And if that even feels too slow, the Mach feels as/more nible than the Sleipnir with triple the range. That said, I think the Sleip fit I posted is fun. It isn't the most efficient, but it's fun. I still can't see the logic in the Loki though, especially in AC/Vaga-like configurations...there are other ships that do the same thing so much better and cheaper. <3 HAM/Huginn/agile Loki however, and the fleet booster variant.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.10.22 11:40:00 - [15] Originally by: eek amouse i will eventually get a sleipnir but it'll definitely be after a loki, just because of the training time for BC V. Heh. I actually consider the excuse to get off your lazy ass and finally train BC 5 one of the best arguments to go with a Sleip. Yeah, it's kind of a long skill but good god is it worth every second. The fact that it also opens up CSs is gravy.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.22 15:30:00 - [16] Sleipnir, Claymore (and Nighthawk) used to be the gank magnets in PvP. Then T3 rolled around and since then, they've become nicer to use and much less painful to lose (compared to the other T3/faction bling).
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2010.10.22 15:33:00 - [17] [Loki, my mission loki] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dread Guristas Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Torrent Assault Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 is the loki i use for lvl 4s. Yeah it is a bit of chasing around but is a mission machine, just keeps asking for more.
eek amouse	Posted - 2010.10.24 23:12:00 - [18] this is what i came up with in eft, using what i had. dunno how it'd hold up in C3. [Loki, hmmm] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Warrior II x5
Ione Hunt Storm Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.24 23:29:00 - [19] For C3s, just use 2 Pithii a-type shield boosters, a dread sb amplifier, t2 invuls...and make it permarun with cap mods. It'll run every C3 plex even if you accidentally trigger all spawns at once. It's also a lot cheaper than using a faction med/large booster. Use 425mm cause you need the range... _______________
Redshift XIII Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.25 00:55:00 - [20] Edited by: Redshift XIII on 25/10/2010 01:00:16 Edited by: Redshift XIII on 25/10/2010 00:56:35 I'd just like to chime in that I use an AC Sleipnir to solo C3 WH's - yes, even the triple BS spawns. In fact, I specifically chose it over a solo Loki (I can fly both). It works fantastic - the only complaint I have is that it's falloff is a little too short to really burn through the sites as fast as I'd like to. However, for Lvl 4 missions alone - I would definitely go with a Mach. No doubt about it.

Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.10.25 02:06:00 - [21] loki +9999 How I'd Fix Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
eek amouse	Posted - 2010.10.26 10:20:00 - [22] well, i started doing level 4s with the loki. went with 2 pith b-type boosters + the amp and it's hilariously over tanked and fun. can't wait to take it in C3s.


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