CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.

Before i overreact to this, am i crazy or is idea 100% pants-on-head ret*rded? This came out of nowhere, just seems like something Greyscale pulled right out of his arse. Even more there was NOTHING said by the CSM. i mean, how the hell did that not just leap out at them.

Edit: just to be clear, i'm pissed because this seems like the biggest lowsec nerf i have ever heard of

it's that sentry guns will automatically shoot people under a certain sec status, whether they've done anything or not. This is problematic and a huge nerf to lowsec. You're just taking the people that actually *do* generate content in lowsec and ******* them.

The real issue isn't the way the damage is applied, which is cute and probably okay, it's that sentry guns will automatically shoot people under a certain sec status, whether they've done anything or not. This is problematic and a huge nerf to lowsec. You're just taking the people that actually *do* generate content in lowsec and ******* them.

Say what you want about The United, but they are making content erryday. They're killing ****, depriving people of their frigs and pods, and making people ask themselves if it's worth it to take that shortcut through lowsec. This is a decision that's going to be taken away throughout lowsec.

I am all for interesting **** going on, and this will cause the opposite. :(

thought about whining about this in GD but this seems like a more contructive place. Now i have been following the proposed crimewatch changes for quite some time (while i haven't encountered it in years nuetral reps always seemed ret*rded). Read over the minutes today and about sh!t my pants



Before i overreact to this, am i crazy or is idea 100% pants-on-head ret*rded? This came out of nowhere, just seems like something Greyscale pulled right out of his arse. Even more there was NOTHING said by the CSM. i mean, how the hell did that not just leap out at them.

Edit: just to be clear, i'm pissed because this seems like the biggest lowsec nerf i have ever heard of

The real issue isn't the way the damage is applied, which is cute and probably okay, it's that sentry guns will automatically shoot people under a certain sec status, whether they've done anything or not. This is problematic and a huge nerf to lowsec. You're just taking the people that actually *do* generate content in lowsec and ******* them.

Say what you want about The United, but they are making content erryday. They're killing ****, depriving people of their frigs and pods, and making people ask themselves if it's worth it to take that shortcut through lowsec. This is a decision that's going to be taken away throughout lowsec.

I am all for interesting **** going on, and this will cause the opposite. :(

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise.

Notice how that doesn't say anyone with low sec status?

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise.

Notice how that doesn't say anyone with low sec status?

What an idea is that?

Sentries DPS will start low and raise in time but to what level exacly? 300 DPS like it is now?

"Also, I predict hilarity when a criminal battlecruiser jumps into a system where the sentry guns are still "warmed up" and gets one-shotted. Plus people crashing gate camps in super-tanky ships and just holding pirates down while the sentries melt them. I've got some half-formed ideas that could make some very creative use of these sentries."

You must be kidding me. It will kill solo PvP even more as it is now. I used to do solo gate camps in Low and having on my a*s 300 DPS from gate guns plus 400-600 from incoming ship isn't piece of cake.

I really hope that the max DPS from gate aggro will stay at 300 as it is now.

It also states "suspect" which is one hell of an interpretation. This could also mean someone with a negative sec status. This would effectively kill low sec not because of gate camps but simply because of mechanics.

All persons with negative sec status then are limited and quite hindered in any low sec system.

Myself I've lived in low sec for years and pride myself on being criminal scum. You want to lose subscriptions (3 accounts here personally) here's how to start doing it.

Don't count on it staying at 300.,

They said right in the notes that over time they want to ramp up the damage to a point where a triage carrier can be taken down.

That will mean a Max dps much higher... And I mean MUCH higher than 300.

A carrier in triage mode can tank well into the multiple of thousands.

1- Why CCP Greyscale suddenly think it's necessary to tweak sentry guns, not enought obvious fix to do ?
2- Why the f***people think it's necessary to make frigate fight possible on gate/station ? aren't the belt, safespot, planet not enought ? All the more considering the fact that during wardec or in FW or vs -10 you can shoot at will !!!
3- Sentry are maybe easy to tank but com'on gate camper are soooo easy to remove, what's the problem here ?
4- CCP L2P please !

PLEASE LEAVE SENTRIES ALONE !!!

CCP wants to increase Eve online subscriptions for all costs. They thinks if they make the game more "safe" more people will start playing it and paying sub. Thing is todays youngsters have lack of brain and balls to adapt so.. CCP is making game easier.
They do not realize that todays teenagers wont play Eve for years like veterans do and leave eventually.
If veterans leave too who will stay?

I bet the next idea of CCP Greyscale will be some kind of godray striking you to the pieces out from nowhere if you dare to engage one week old noob in lowsec.

Ok just to clarify;

'suspect' is a new thing introduced under the new crimewatch it's not the same as being below -5.0.

From what I understood (at fanfest) 'suspect' is a flag that occurs when you do something that would currently give somebody else aggression on you (like you loot their can).

Under the new crimewatch as explained at fanfest you will be one of three states at all times;

* neutral (done nothing)
* suspect (theft, neutral repping)
* criminal (anything that currently incurs GCC)

Which is not related to security status. So you might want to hold off on the wild speculation till you read up on the new crimewatch system.

Just to clarify a few points, given that this thread seems to be the only one that's not gone off the deep end already:

• The general thinking behind this potential change (and again, it's just general thinking, we've not seriously reviewed it yet) is to try and break up "static" gatecamps a little and generally *discourage* hanging around on a gate all day.