What they should have done --years ago-- is bloody well nerf gate-guns' tracking and optimal range to something approximating "real" (IE, available to players) guns,but oh no:

All the player suggestions I see here amount to this:

"Why not make x changes, which would make sentry guns just as easily countered as simply tanking them now?"

Essentially, lazy gatecampers who don't want to hunt for targets are all in favor of changing how sentry guns do the job, as long as the sentry guns end up equally ineffective at deterring gatecamps as they are now. Again, I have to ask: What is the point of sentry guns on gates if not to actually keep the gates relatively clear? If this is not their purpose, then just remove them altogether.

Does this apply to 0.0 as well?

Yes, this will apply to every sentry gun on gates in 0.0 as well.

Yes, this will apply to every sentry gun on gates in 0.0 as well.

WTF! This will kill 0.0 PVP!!!

No special privileges for you! All your 0.0 gate and station guns will be affected or mass unsubs will happen.

Just to clarify a few points, given that this thread seems to be the only one that's not gone off the deep end already:
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First and foremost, this is an idea we were spitballing at the time and ran past the CSM just to see what their reaction was. It's still "in the design" right now, but that part of the design isn't going to get implemented for a while, and there will be further discussion with the CSM and the community before that happens. The CSM minutes are *NOT* a devblog, please don't treat them as such

I like this idea. Low sec gate camping really puts people off going there.

The damage from the low sec gate sentries is too easy to tank these days, they may as well not be there.

The general thinking behind this potential change (and again, it's just general thinking, we've not seriously reviewed it yet) is to try and break up "static" gatecamps a little and generally *discourage* hanging around on a gate all day.

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Gate humping pirate tears, best tears.

Low sec in EVE reminds me of an inner city ghetto. Kids with ski masks ganging up on someone and threatening to stick em if he doesn't give up his chain and the $5 in his wallet. Pimped out "economy" class space ships flying around because nice rides get left on a stack of bricks with nothing left but the stale air freshener you were supposed to change 5 months ago. Seedy people hanging outside the stations wearing aviators, smoking a cigarette, eyeing people up until they see someone weak enough they can take his pocket change to get themselves a cup of coffee. You all get the idea.

Low sec in EVE reminds me of an inner city ghetto. Kids with ski masks ganging up on someone and threatening to stick em if he doesn't give up his chain and the $5 in his wallet. Pimped out "economy" class space ships flying around because nice rides get left on a stack of bricks with nothing left but the stale air freshener you were supposed to change 5 months ago. Seedy people hanging outside the stations wearing aviators, smoking a cigarette, eyeing people up until they see someone weak enough they can take his pocket change to get themselves a cup of coffee. You all get the idea.

The general thinking behind this potential change (and again, it's just general thinking, we've not seriously reviewed it yet) is to try and break up "static" gatecamps a little and generally *discourage* hanging around on a gate all day.

Gatecamping is piracy. Piracy is a career path in eve online according to CCP. If the devs namely greyscale fixed what was broken in thier game before trying to add useless content the majority of the player base doesnt want or need then CCP would be living up to what they claim to be aiming for. Right now they are talking the talk but they still aint walking the walk, i thought incarna was enough and things were looking up and CCP were actually listening to the playerbase again and not just sticking in useless content regardless of the feedback from us the players who at the end of the day pay these guys wages through subscriptions.

I challenge any of you to find content added to the game in the last 5 years that encourages ppl to take the piracy career path. Its a hard pill to swallow for older players who have subbed multiple accounts for over 6 years just to see CCP constantly nerf thier playstyle. Eve needs to be balanced but cmon, we got stabs, cov ops frigs, cruisers andhaulers, mwd cloak trick, drones are useless, sentry guns, system avoidance tool, target breaker modules and even a micro jump drive coming soon to contend with before we even think about engaging anything. Are those not enough of a disadvantage before we even undock and shoot anything without adding even more content that gimps what we do.

I urge the pirate community to come together regardless of our differences and what we think of each other and be one loud voice against the nerf after nerf after nerf to our dying playstyle. We been promised low sex loving for over 5 years and i dont see anything not related to FW that encourages PPL to take up piracy in eve online.

I have created a channel for like minded corps/alliance to discuss the crusade by ccp to kill piracy. Join ingame "Stop the Rot"

Angry23

As a representative of an infamous boy scout group... Sorry camping group time to throw in my 2 cents worth I feel.

On the face of it this change could be seen as another step towards elimination of griefing in the game, war decs have been messed with and reading forums leads me to believe they are broken. Suicide ganking has been made slowly a less viable thing. So now CCP appear to turn their eyes to low sec...

OK let's look at the issue:

The non-pirate element in EVE and those who wish to avoid PVP are nervous about entering low sec to go about their business. Certain gates are practically no go zones due to heavy camping. This leads to a series of complaints to CSM/CCP.

So CCP float an idea to resolve it.

OK will this eliminate either the camps or the infamous smartbombers?

No.

Within a few minutes of hearing about this I had tactics to survive. So Low Sec will not become safer in this way.

So what will it mean?

An end to fleet fights in low sec?

Given 99% of fleet fights in low sec happen on gates or stations with one side or the other going GCC (with the exception of FW) this is a very real possibility. It will get me flamed to say this but there is a calculation as an FC done before you engage on a low sec gate which includes the gate guns. Increased time on the gate with increasing gate gun fire means it is unlikely many FCs would be prepared to engage a mid sized fleet.

Not what I perceive to be the purpose of low security space.

Additionally some people have argued that gate guns are too easily tanked. Personal experience says that this is not true. In order to camp in low sec we need to use BC or T2 cruisers as a minimum. Additionally any ship used has to be fitted for tank rather than alternative styles (e.g. Pure nano). So ship type and fits are actually limited. It is also worth noting that a static camp really needs 3-4 pilots minimum to share the current damage from gate guns without having to leave the grid.

Finally, CCP are obviously driven to respond to feedback so here is a little factoid to consider. There is a higher proportion of players running multiple accounts among pirates than carebears (for obvious reasons). So per head more money is being put into the CCP coffers as a result of the pirate community than the carebear community. The Pirate community is also notoriously bad at representing itself on the CSM which is dominated by certain large Null Sec groups who block vote (a comparisson could be drawn with the rotten boroughs of English History). Maybe it is time we spoke up a little more and support eachothe